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I negotiate all of that before taking the job, what are you talking about? If I don't like it, I don't have to work there. Mind of a liberal, where you are entitled to a job, with fabulous pay, benefits, etc. Free market forces be damned. Entitle that job even if it shuts the company down (like many unions have done recently).
I guarantee if this effected your wife's entitlements, you'd be singing a different tune.
No it wouldn't, i'd just swing her over to my benefits and pay for them and adjust retirement planning. Personal responsibility, love it.
All this is going to do is make the Teaching as a career even less appelaing than it has been for the last 10 or so years thus hurting the quality of education even more.
Enjoying your wifes benefits, loving it. Pretending that you'd not mind if you didn't have them, Bullshit.
Personal Responsibility, well as long as you have your wifes money to pay off your stupid bets, pretend that you have it.
It didn't stop Reagan.
If the Teachers Union decided to go on strike Oh would be in a world of hurt if they fired them all and tried to find suitable replacements, especially with the new Bill.
I negotiate all of that before taking the job, what are you talking about? If I don't like it, I don't have to work there. Mind of a liberal, where you are entitled to a job, with fabulous pay, benefits, etc. Free market forces be damned. Entitle that job even if it shuts the company down (like many unions have done recently).
What if you're a cop? There's no other employer you can go to. It's a state monopoly. Along with the other dozens of jobs that are state monopolys.
If state workers cant strike then their totally fucked if the government decides to screw them over.
What if you're a cop? There's no other employer you can go to. It's a state monopoly. Along with the other dozens of jobs that are state monopolys.
If state workers cant strike then their totally fucked if the government decides to screw them over.
What the hell are you talking about? Even a cop could find work in the private sector especially a leadership position. Hell, even go to another state. What kind of bizarro world does the libtard live in where you can't get another job?
What the hell are you talking about? Even a cop could find work in the private sector especially a leadership position. Hell, even go to another state. What kind of bizarro world does the libtard live in where you can't get another job?
So they have to quit the police force of move to another state?
That's sounds like a great way to live.
You're right. The public at large owes them a job and a salary. How dare the taxpayers put restrictions and qualifications on that job and salary. Who do they think they are? D:
You're not 12, are you?
People who work for the government, especially in a monopoly industry, should have the right not to be fucked over.
And the only solution to getting fucked over shouldn't be 'move to another state'.
The world isn't black and white. People arn't robots. You can't expect societly to function when the only job protection people have is 'find other job'.
Finding a job is hard, distruptive to the family. Stressful.
Quoted for hilarity.
I already pointed out that there is no police monopoly in the US. You seem either unwilling or incapable of understanding this. Maybe both?
I disagree. Going into teaching knowing you will be judged and rewarded based on performance and not based on collective bargaining or playing favorites seems like a much more positive work environment to me.
Public employees should not have the right to strike.
If they wish to have a union fine.
Err, I didn't even mention police in that post. There are a lot of gov jobs.
And why are right wing nuts so intransigent? Everything has to be so exteme with you lot.
Can't you see that workers require some protection? I'll conceed that teachers and shit have too much protection, you cant fire shitty ones.
But you guys can't ever meet in the middle. It's always bullshit like, 'They don't need protection, if you dont like it find another job!'
That's totally unrealistic.
My marketability and wise choices in career path are my protection. Personal responsibility!
You fail to realize how the free market works, if you don't like it then find another job. Nobody is entitled to a job, the market decides what jobs are needed and what the pay/benefits shall be. It is up to the producer of that product (work) to adapt, this is the beauty of capitalism.
The real world hasn't hit you yet, or this truly is the mind of a liberal in action. I think it's a combination of both.
Once again you nut jobs live in some fairy land where everyone is born with good skills and into a rich family.
Not everyone has skills that can be used in another job. Not everyone can just drop everything and move to another town/state everytime the gov decides it want to screw workers in their pay negotiations.
Are you fucking kidding me?
The government pays completely for any re-education or training to find said next job (provided you don't make good money). You must be 12, seriously, you have zero idea on how the real world works.
You mention skills, skills can be learned, all at tax payer expense. Why can't one's family just drop everything and move to a different county/state when one's lively hood depends on providing for the family?
Explain to me why they "can't". America is founded and based on mobility and the freedom to move to greener pastures between states. Everything you are saying is against the American way of life and for that I proudly tell you "get the fuck out of my country".
If you're truly in AU, then I'm really sad for your country. You used to be free, it only took 10 short years for your country to fall. My fear is we are on the same path and the damage can never be recovered.
At a recent festival in the small town i live in, there were literally 4 inch stacks of paper loaded with signatures for repealing senate bill 5.
It is HUGELY unpopular here. Not sure about other areas of the state.
It isn't just teachers, its all public employees. Everyone is taking massive hits in benefits. I know of a family that would lose $600/2 weeks because of the increase in contributions they have to make to their retirement and healthcare for their small family.
Austerity will run Ohio into the ground. It's already bad here.
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/06/27/255010/chart-states-cut-most-spending-jobs/
