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Oh no, Republicans subverting their promise that Homelands Security would not be political:

Moonbeam

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Posted on Thu, May. 15, 2003

Texas GOP halts effort to arrest Democrats
By JAY ROOT and JACK DOUGLAS JR.
Fort Worth (Texas) Star-Telegram


On the eve of a deadline for key legislation to live or die, the Republican-controlled Texas House of Representatives formally halted efforts to arrest the 51 Democratic legislators who fled to Oklahoma.

But nothing stopped the war of words Wednesday, with Republican leaders blasting away from the Governor's Mansion and Democrats firing back from exile in Ardmore.

"I don't think the people of the state of Texas appreciate the work stoppage, the walking away from the important issues of the day," Gov. Rick Perry said after his weekly breakfast with state House and Senate leaders.

The Democrats' stealthy departure over the weekend, aimed at killing a plan to add Republican seats in the U.S. Congress, paralyzed the House because it did not have enough members to create the necessary quorum of 100 members.

But the boycotting Texas lawmakers disputed Perry's accusations that they are holding up key legislation, such as finding better ways to fund public education and improving insurance for children.

"Nothing's further from the truth," Pete Gallego, D-Alpine, said during a news conference outside the Holiday Inn in Ardmore. "A resolution to this problem is fairly simple and straightforward: Drop consideration of the unnecessary and unfair redistricting effort, and we all go back to work immediately in Texas."

Later Wednesday, Democrats said they had sent House Speaker Tom Craddick a letter promising that if redistricting is dropped, they "would not break a quorum on other issues ... even when we disagree."

Republican House leaders have said repeatedly that negotiating is not an option.

Meanwhile, a key deadline looms tonight for bills that originate in the House, and Democrats have already indicated that they will not return until Friday. Assuming that they hold out another day, the effort likely will have killed redistricting and possibly other legislation at least during the regular session, which will end June 2.

Republican House leaders moved to salvage some of the potential wreckage Wednesday by adjourning and convening committee meetings to consider bills originating in the Senate, which can still be considered.

"It keeps us from bogging down the session even more than we've been bogged down," said Craddick, R-Midland. The move by the speaker to adjourn seemed to be recognition that the Democrats aren't coming back before the deadline expires.

Craddick said several revenue-generating measures were jeopardized -- money that's needed to plug a $9.9 billion hole in the budget. However, Republican Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst said the Senate has identified ways to revive most, if not all, of the money-making legislation.

Democrats also said dead bills could be brought back through special procedures that require a supermajority to pass. Given the toxic political environment, it's unclear whether that is a realistic possibility.

The boycott has prompted speculation that a special session would be called soon after the regular meeting ends, but the governor said a special session was "not even on the radar screen" right now. He sidestepped a question about whether he would call a special session to consider a new redistricting bill.

The walkout is reverberating in Washington, D.C., where the careers of several Democratic congressmen could be on the line. U.S. Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Sugar Land, is pushing a redistricting bill in the Texas Legislature that would increase GOP strength in Congress at the expense of several Democratic congressmen. Texas Democrats outnumber Texas Republicans in Congress 17-15.

On Wednedsay, U.S. Rep. Lloyd Doggett, D-Austin, led efforts by Texas Democrats calling for an investigation of any federal involvement, past or future, in the ongoing standoff.

Doggett sent a letter to U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft, FBI Director Robert Mueller and Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge, demanding an accounting of federal actions, including a Star-Telegram report that a division of Homeland Security had been asked to find the plane of former House Speaker Pete Laney, D-Hale Center, who used it to fly to Ardmore.

The Air and Marine Interdiction Coordination Center in Riverside, Calif., confirmed that it had tried to find Laney's Piper Cheyenne at the request of Texas law enforcement. The agency could not find the plane, but state officials eventually did.

Craddick said it was Laney's plane that led to the discovery that the Democrats had fled to Ardmore.

"It's a matter of great concern," Doggett said in an interview. "When you have a man as powerful as Tom DeLay saying he has a U.S. attorney researching it and that the FBI ought to be involved and Homeland Security tracking aircraft, there's reason to raise the alarm."

The letter was signed by 16 of the 17 U.S. Texas Democrats. Rep. Ralph Hall, D-Rockwall, a conservative Democrat close to the White House, did not sign it.

On Tuesday, DeLay, the architect of the map that would give the GOP five to seven additional Texas seats in redrawn districts, told reporters that he would like the federal agencies to be involved "because this is a federal issue, these are congressional seats."

"If it's legal, it would be nice for them to help them out -- help out the Texas Rangers and Texas troopers," DeLay said.

The walkout sparked a search for the missing lawmakers, but those efforts have ceased. The Texas Department of Public Safety was formally called off by the House on Wednesday. A letter was sent thanking the agency and saying "your responsibiities in this regard are at an end."

DPS spokesman Tom Vinger said the agency had already begun pulling back Tuesday night because it wasn't difficult to figure out where the Democrats were.

"It became a moot point," he said.
 
How does this:

The Air and Marine Interdiction Coordination Center in Riverside, Calif., confirmed that it had tried to find Laney's Piper Cheyenne at the request of Texas law enforcement. The agency could not find the plane, but state officials eventually did.

equal this:
Oh no, Republicans subverting their promise that Homelands Security would not be political:

The Texas State Legislature asking the Texas Rangers to find an airplane does not constitute "the politicizing of Homeland Security". If this is the proof that you were asked for in another thread, you're not even close.
 
The Air and Marine interdiction Coordination center is part of the Department of Homeland Security. In addition to using that resource they activated the FBI and US attorney generals office. Moonie has a point, using federal resources in an attempt to locate people who have violated no federal rules is an abuse of the federal powers.

Call the Rangers, call the state troopers, but there is no place for the millitary to be locating planes of civillian congress critters for the state of texas.
 
They crossed state lines. At that point the Texas law enforcement officials have no jurisdiction and would have to ask for help from Oklahoma or the Feds. Waaaaaay back in Oklahoma's history the Texas Rangers came across the Red River to try and arrest some people that had fled into Oklahoma. Well they were met at the bridge and turned back by the Oklahoma Guard and quite the gun battle between these two law enforcement agencies took place. Just one of the many times that us Okies and the Texans have had a border skirmish that involved law enforcement agencies. Hell at one time we damn near went to war over it. I think the Texans have finally learned from that and this time they asked the Feds to get involved. No big deal....if you want to talk about abuses of federal power let's talk about the FBI being ordered to round up files on key Republicans during the Clinton administration.

Searching for this plane is no big deal.....how else were they supposed to do it?
 
Originally posted by: rahvin
The Air and Marine interdiction Coordination center is part of the Department of Homeland Security. In addition to using that resource they activated the FBI and US attorney generals office. Moonie has a point, using federal resources in an attempt to locate people who have violated no federal rules is an abuse of the federal powers.

Call the Rangers, call the state troopers, but there is no place for the millitary to be locating planes of civillian congress critters for the state of texas.

The Rangers are the ones that asked the Feds for help. There is no point and there is no abuse of federal powers. Sorry. It's just more whining.
 
Ahahahahaha, No big deal. Republican political corruption always has a valid excuse for why it's ok. Using Homeland Security to arrest Democratic state legislators is perfectly OK. What ever happened to accountability and personal responsibility. Hehe. The party of character demonstrates again it has none.
 
I guess this is another way to spin the real problem. Why did the Democrats run away from their duties in the first place? They don't want redistricting. Redistricting is continually happening all over the country. It is suppose to happen, how else can you get fair representation for the people as population shifts from one location to another. It is another example of how one party is more concerned for the power they have rather than doing their job of serving the people. Does dereliction of duty sound about right?
 
Ahahahahaha, No big deal. Republican political corruption always has a valid excuse for why it's ok.
What political corruption are we talking about?
Using Homeland Security to arrest Democratic state legislators is perfectly OK.
Who's been arrested?
What ever happened to accountability and personal responsibility.
I don't know what happened to yours but evidently the Texas demoidiot's is hiding in OK.
The party of character demonstrates again it has none.
Funny. I've never heard the dems referred to as the "party of character". But your right, they do continue to prove they have none.
 
Originally posted by: shinerburke
They crossed state lines. At that point the Texas law enforcement officials have no jurisdiction and would have to ask for help from Oklahoma or the Feds. Waaaaaay back in Oklahoma's history the Texas Rangers came across the Red River to try and arrest some people that had fled into Oklahoma. Well they were met at the bridge and turned back by the Oklahoma Guard and quite the gun battle between these two law enforcement agencies took place. Just one of the many times that us Okies and the Texans have had a border skirmish that involved law enforcement agencies. Hell at one time we damn near went to war over it. I think the Texans have finally learned from that and this time they asked the Feds to get involved. No big deal....if you want to talk about abuses of federal power let's talk about the FBI being ordered to round up files on key Republicans during the Clinton administration.

Searching for this plane is no big deal.....how else were they supposed to do it?

They used a federal agency to locate political rivals who are choosing to excersize freedom of movement to avoid being steamrolled in Texas. The congress critters didn't violate any law and cannot be prosecuted for any violation of the law so why was the US attorney generals office called? Why was the FBI involved? Did they believe the congress critters had been abducted? I'm sorry but involving federal law enforcement agencies is the equivalent of the FBI file scandel with Clinton. It's abuse of power.
 
The forest for the trees again...

The use of Voter registration files to carve the districts up is Tom Delay's way of political warfare infighting. Every one tries to maximize their representation bodies... but, sometimes it is beyond reasonable... this is such a case. There can be no rational basis for how the districts were carved up... so and since the Texas law reads that a quorum of 100 must be present to legislate...The Dems used it to fight fire with fire... the law... it is there for a reason... maybe because sometimes they can't find the capital... I don't know but, I do know it is a tool that the other side can use as well.

The use of the Federal Homeland Security assets to track down the missing folks is at best the stateitizing of federal assets... and the state should pay for it. I know I don't want to pay tax so Texas can use (somehow) federal assets... If the feds federalize state militia they have to pay the state... so its only fair...
Since the terrorists are busy carrying out their insanity elsewhere perhaps it can be termed as training for the troops...
 
I like the part where the democrats demand that they "Drop consideration of the unnecessary and unfair redistricting effort, and we all go back to work immediately in Texas." "Drop consideration". They are demanding that this isn't even an issue up for debate. This is a good way of winning a debatable issue...Don't show up. 😛 In sports we call that a forfeit...🙂
 
Abuse of power is only possible when power corrupts. Republican use of power is like God using power. Using power for good is OK.

PS UQ, please no more devastating wit like, "Funny. I've never heard the dems referred to as the "party of character". But your right, they do continue to prove they have none. ", please. I don't think I could take too many more of those gut-knotters and live. I'm almost inspired to add something witty myself like, "If you're writing for a comedian, don't quit your day job."


 
What's the problem, ConclamoLudus, not up on the history of the issue? The Republicans sprung a surprise on a settled issue and the Democrats left town. It's all about blunt power, taking what you want because you can. Listen to what these pissed off bastards had to say:

"When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."
 
"Searching for this plane is no big deal.....how else were they supposed to do it? "

I think the point is there wasn't any reason to search for it except partisan Texas politics.
 
PS UQ, please no more devastating wit like, "Funny. I've never heard the dems referred to as the "party of character". But your right, they do continue to prove they have none. ", please. I don't think I could take too many more of those gut-knotters and live. I'm almost inspired to add something witty myself like, "If you're writing for a comedian, don't quit your day job."

Try addressing the issue at hand instead of making sh!t up and deflecting the issue with your usual BS.

If you can.
 
Originally posted by: shinerburke
They crossed state lines. At that point the Texas law enforcement officials have no jurisdiction and would have to ask for help from Oklahoma or the Feds. Waaaaaay back in Oklahoma's history the Texas Rangers came across the Red River to try and arrest some people that had fled into Oklahoma. Well they were met at the bridge and turned back by the Oklahoma Guard and quite the gun battle between these two law enforcement agencies took place.


Thanks for that info! I've never been prouder of my Okie Heritage than I am now.
 
Originally posted by: Alistar7
listening to you guys one would think our politicians were shallow and corupt...

Well, I'd say the democrats that are subverting the politcal process are.

 
Originally posted by: etech
Originally posted by: Alistar7
listening to you guys one would think our politicians were shallow and corupt...

Well, I'd say the democrats that are subverting the politcal process are.

They are very disappointed that they dont get to do the gerrymandering this time around.
 
M: Ahahahahaha, No big deal. Republican political corruption always has a valid excuse for why it's ok. Using Homeland Security to arrest Democratic state legislators is perfectly OK. What ever happened to accountability and personal responsibility. Hehe. The party of character demonstrates again it has none.

UQ: Funny. I've never heard the dems referred to as the "party of character". But your right, they do continue to prove they have none.


M: PS UQ, please no more devastating wit like, "Funny. I've never heard the dems referred to as the "party of character". But your right, they do continue to prove they have none. ", please. I don't think I could take too many more of those gut-knotters and live. I'm almost inspired to add something witty myself like, "If you're writing for a comedian, don't quit your day job."

UQ: Try addressing the issue at hand instead of making sh!t up and deflecting the issue with your usual BS.

If you can.
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The issue at hand was Republican lack of character. You, with your mighty wit, tried changing the subject. Try addressing the issue at hand instead of making sh!t up and deflection the issue with your usual pathetic comedic lameness, of course, that is, if you can.

Can I sustain the intellectual rigor of this debate. I'll eat my cheerios and see. WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
 
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