Oh no Microsoft's Monopoly is Growing !!!!!!!

[jacobnero6918]

I was reading in US & world news that Microsoft had increase it's market share of desktops from 88% to 90 % and servers from 38% to 41%. It seems despite the antitrust case they just can't be stopped.

Also it's said that they will probably not be broken up the case had some holes in it which will probably be overturned on the appeal.


Quick somebody get a wooden stake and call Buffy the Vampire Slayer!

 

[jhu]

oh no! they're taking board walk and park place too!!!

 

[Sluggo]

Before you know it they will start attaching their browser to their Operating System.

 

[jhu]

then they'll get the electric company and water works!!!

 

[jorken]

lol jhu

I thought of Monopoly the game when I 1st read the title too.

 

[jacobnero6918]

I'm the race car!

 

[Yzzim]

<< It seems despite the antitrust case they just can't be stopped >>



The ruling hasn't taken effect yet and is just being desputed now.
Do I think they'll be broken up? No
Do I think they'll continue growing? Hmmm, good question, WindowsXP should make this very interesting There's no doubt they'll continue growing for a while...but WindowsXP could be the start of the fall of the Roman Empire...I mean Microsoft

 

[SVTPower]

I don't understand the big hate for MS...

for one if ANY of you were in computers 6 years ago or later you'd know that they have brought a bunch of stuff DOWN in price and improved a lot. Do you know how much it would have cost before to get a suite like Office let alone the Access part of it, Database software was extremely expensive. And with all the OEM's out noone is really paying for any of the operating systems but companies. They offer the best backoffice to complete everything from e-mail to a web server to File and Print. There is no matter what anyone says competition, MAC, Linux, Solaris, BE OS, OS2, Novell and more. But Windows has come to the market with the biggest brain, Yes many of their OS's have had problems but if you look at it from a another point of view, ofcoarse they should have issues, They are putting more and more power and accesories in your hands and trying to make then all work on one machine. For the people who understand this concept it raises the chance for things to go wrong due to the ODD's in NUMBERS being increased. Windows NT 4 was not that great, and I consider it to be the Beta to what became 2K. If the product is so bad then why did it climb to the top so fast? Oh Bill Gates made a deal with the devil... is it that or is it a jealosy of the American Dream?For one if ANY of you were in computers 6 years ago or later you'd know that they have brought a bunch of stuff DOWN in price and improved a lot. Do you know how much it would have cost before to get a suite like Office let alone the Access part of it; Database software was extremely expensive. And with all the OEM's out noone is really paying for any of the operating systems but companies. They offer the best BackOffice to complete everything from e-mail to a web server to File and Print. There is no matter what anyone says competition, MAC, Linux, Solaris, BE OS, OS2, Novell and more. But Windows has come to the market with the biggest brain, Yes many of their OS's have had problems but if you look at it from a 100+ I.Q. point of view ofcoarse they should have issues, They are putting more and more power and accessories in your hands and trying to make then all work on one machine. For the people who understand this concept it raises the chance for things to go wrong due to the Odds in NUMBERS being increased. Windows NT 4 was not that great, and I consider it to be the Beta to what became 2K. If the product is so bad then why did it climb to the top so fast? Oh Bill Gates made a deal with the devil... is it that or is it a jealousy of the American Dream?

And as far as I.E. goes as being part of the OS? Um hmm let me think? the world is adding how many people to the web per DAY? In the newer versions of windows when you click on ?My Computer? and you have a list of your systems. Replace your address bar with a WWW link. They are making it so your machine is a full time interface with the net. With Broadband becoming so popular, it sounds pretty smart to me. Think about it, are you using the net to take over a lot of things you did before? I'm pretty sure you are, You do everyday just with E-Mail.

 

[jacobnero6918]

People don't like M$ because they make mediocre software and sell it for a outrageous price!

 

[SVTPower]

People don't like M$ because they make mediocre software and sell it for a outrageous price!

Guess you were not one of the ones around to see what a program that did less of a function then Access does.

BTW what are you comparing your prices to? Free ware?

 

[Descartes]

*sigh*

I think I'm as pathetic as jacobnero simply for replying to his ignorant posts, but eh well...

I highly doubt that your &quot;mediocre&quot; intellect is capable is distinguishing between a good piece of software, and a mediocre one. So, get a clue, and quit regurgitating the crap you read elsewhere.

 

SVTPower: Access is worthless. How many mission critical systems do you know that run it? SQL Server is still having a hard time catching on, but Access!?!?!? You have to be kidding me!


<< Windows NT 4 was not that great, and I consider it to be the Beta to what became 2K >>


Oh that's nice. A friggin' five year beta with six service packs. That's really nice.

The bottom line is that if you take any piece of crap product and keep throwing money at it eventually it will outlive the competition. Windows was never a great technical feat. Microsoft just had the resources to keep it alive all these years while network techs and developers suffered supporting it.

 

[SVTPower]

There goes Dwell's chances of ever understanding economics or getting a real grasp on how technology evolvs. But I guess if we think at his level not only do computers NOT change but the largest companies in the world with the biggest bank accounts were ALREADY that way huh.

I forgot Gates started out as the richest man in the world and then started MS. Man you got me, thanks for setting me straight.

Access is a wonderful product for small companies who only have single or less then a dozen users doing any entry into it. But maybe your Text book cert's have blinded that.

And yes NT 4 did go through a lot of upgrades, But I bet anything you put Windows system in front of an average user, I promise you would be a lot better off trying to do any basic administration on that system then any Unix/Linux box. Call your mom and tell her to try to install a basic suite of software on Solaris for X86. I'm sure you'll have a nice failure on your hands.

CDE alone is the worst GUI I have EVER seen in my life.

 

[Descartes]

dwell: Then what, in your opinion, constitutes a technical feat? What MS competitor could say they've done anything comparable? When I say comparable, I mean in every aspect, for developers, end-users, businesses, etc.. Not a flame, just a question.

 

[ToBeMe]

Yeah, MS is expanding it's marketshare........and will continue to do so unless Linux or some other offering gets it's act together and comes up with an offering that mainstream PC users can configure and use with the same ease a Windows! Quite frankly it doesn't matter how stable or powerfull Linux is, as long as it is such a pain for mainstream PC users to figure out.......they're not going to buy it and Windows will just grow larger!

 

[Elledan]

Seeing that Linux is becoming a perfect OS for the poweruser, I think that many of those will first switch to Linux, then, after something like two years of development, Linux will be ready to be used by the average PC user.

I think that one reason why Linux is now so popular is because the GUI is optional. If you've only a slow PC (I've Linux running on a 486 and a P100, don't try this with Win2k) it's so unbelievable fast and reliable (the 486 has reached four months of uptime before the power fell out for a few hours) and much more customizable than any Windows OS.

Microsoft doesn't use any of their own ideas, they just look at what other companies are doing and how other pieces of software/hardware are made after which they use those ideas for their own software/hardware.

WinXP, for example, is still lightyears behind when looking at features and customizability. The only advantages WinXP has is its ease of use and the wide variety of software available.

 

<< Access is a wonderful product for small companies who only have single or less then a dozen users doing any entry into it. But maybe your Text book cert's have blinded that. >>


I'm so sure it is. I have yet to meet anyone that actually uses it, but I guess that's because I work with real enterprises, not mom and pop shops. Textbook certs, me, never. I have a BS in CS along with 10+ years experience. Fsck a bunch of MSCEs and &quot;certified&quot; folk to boot.

Why is it that anyone who opposes MS is instantly labeled a Unix or Linux nut? Read any of my Linux posts. I can't stand Linux on the desktop, and yes, CDE does suck. Linux on the server is another thing.

As for ease of use, I could get my mom or dad to install and use MacOS, but does that make it a good OS? Not really.

All I am saying here is that Microsoft is successful only because of their money and virtually unlimited resources. Sure, Gates did not start out rich. He was at the right place at the right time for the DOS deal and the rest is history. Do you think a POS like Windows 1.0, 2.0 or 3.0 would have lived long if a monopoly the size of Microsoft threw it's weight against it? Too bad IBM was too stupid to see they were getting shafted by MS with the OS/2 deal or we would be using some variant of OS/2 right now, which would probably be light years ahead of Win2k technology wise, but that's all speculation at this point.

Descartes: All I can say is that marketing always beats technology. I can argue for days and weeks as to why I think 75% of Microsoft's products suck in my eye. I am never going to convince you and you are never going to convince me. Let's call it a stalemate and leave it at that.

 

[yakko]

<< Oh no Microsoft's Monopoly is Growing !!!!!!! >>


WOOHOO!!!! It is good to know that capitalism still works.

 

[piku]

<< The only advantages WinXP has is its ease of use and the wide variety of software available. >>



And that is all that matters.

 

[BoberFett]

dwell

What a typical tech snob. Ford and GM are horrible companies making crappy little cars and deserve to go out of business. Why would anyone drive anything less than a Rolls Royce? Just because you run Oracle doesn't mean that Ma &amp; Pa's House o' Pancakes should. Access is an excellent product for it's niche.

 

[nEoTeChMaN]

If it wasn't for Microsoft....I wouldn't be a I.T. Technician.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Microsoft IS NOT A FVCKING MONOPOLY god damn it! Why does everyone think MS is, just because they were wrongfully indicted for it!?

The people who said they were don't see that there's an ALTERNATIVE to ALL of their software.

 

[novon]

Microsoft has helped the IT industry so much...we need a standard or else computer would be a pain to use. They have also tremendously helped the US economy, and they are a great charity for the world. And, Internet Explorer rulez.

So stop the MS bashing.

 

[ToBeMe]

<< I think that one reason why Linux is now so popular >>

.......Can't be to popular........losing marketshare pretty fast......

 

[RevVveD1]

<< << Windows NT 4 was not that great, and I consider it to be the Beta to what became 2K >> >>

<< Oh that's nice. A friggin' five year beta with six service packs. That's really nice. >>

If it wasn't a big beta, why did it need 6 service packs to get it where it should have been when it was released?

For the most part, I have to agree with what SVTPower and a lot of the others had to say in MS's defense. How many of you remember or have even used DOS and WINDOWS 3.1 and remember the headaches and hassles of trying to get a program to run and function properly, or to get the sound card to play sounds like it was supposed to and not just be a paperweight.. Oh and after win95 with the 3d accelerators and software coming out that was written to use GLIDE, or Open GL only?

Microsoft did the pc industry in general a huge favor. With windows 9x and direct X, microsoft has managed to create a stability and commonality across the board. You don't have to go out and download a patch for you game to run on a riva 128, or another to make it work with the voodoo cards.

<< The bottom line is that if you take any piece of crap product and keep throwing money at it eventually it will outlive the competition. Windows was never a great technical feat. Microsoft just had the resources to keep it alive all these years while network techs and developers suffered supporting it. >>

Well, windows really was a technical feat for tis time. Sure, MS really hasn't done crap to it in the last several years other than beautifying it up a bit. But as you stated, MS had the resources and know how to keep it going unlike a lot of other companies. As for developers and techs suffering to support it? Not.. I'm sorry, they would be suffering a hell of a lot more if there weren't one standardized platform. The gaming market wouldn't be what it is today if it weren't for a lot of the things microsoft has brought us..

And for those that still believe Microsoft has a monopoly, as FFMCobalt said, there is an alternative for everything ms has done available out there, many for free. People just tend to be too stupid to open their eyes and see it. Did gates put a gun to your head and say &quot;You will run windows 98!&quot; ? Nope.. It probably came preinstalled or you installed it because it was the most supported and common. Any other OS could do the same thing. Noone has forced windows upon anyone. Everyone has a choice, even the government, but the other choices just dont typically provide the stability and support that MS can offer.

Its not microsofts fault that they created an operating system that provided a stability and commonality across machines and developers saw it and decided to support it in lieu of all the other OS's.. It just makes perfect sense. As a developer, why would I want to create 45 different versions of my software to accomadate all the different os's and versions of os's out there, when I could write one version that would work on almost any pc running windows..

Anyways, I'll shut up now and be flamed for this..