Oh no... "Hezbollah captures three Israeli soldiers"

[zippy]

Hezbollah captures three Israeli soldiers

Hezbollah has warned that its attacks on Israel could resume if Israeli forces remained in the disputed Chebaa Farms region, which Israel seized from Syria in the 1967 Middle East War and which Syria and Lebanon have said should be returned to Lebanon.

Bunch of friggin winers. Just because they lost a war and therefore some land they go and whine about it?! I have never seen such ridiculous, immature actions...though, they are terrorists, not soldiers. They attack innocent people for no good reason.

Hezbollah issued a warning of its own, saying that an Israeli "attack against Lebanon under any pretext would be a stupid Israeli action." The statement said an attack would "be answered strongly" and vowed that soldiers and settlers would be targets.

Why, oh why, doesn't israel simply take a smart bomb and blow the fvckers up?! They know where some of their bases of operations are!

The Palestinians could have had some land and some of Jerusalem, but they turned it down. Who the fvck do they think they are?!

/zippy smacks desk in a fit of rage

:|

 

[GL]

Before you speak about a situation, put yourself in the other party's shoes. Nobody but Palestinians and Israelis who have lived in that particular region can begin to comprehend the complexities of the situation over there. The Palestinians believe the Jews took their land. The Jews believe the Palestinians took their land. Both are right, although both claim the other is wrong. It's a sad situation, and the international community should get involved...we started it with a half-assed solution after WWII.

-GL

 

[DABANSHEE]

The Israelis are the invaders, just as Polish Jews belong in Poland, New York Jews belong in New York & Hungarian Jews Belong in Hungary, Palestinians belong in Palestine.

Did you know that during WWII the German govt orginised many German Farmer families to settle on land confiscated from the Poles. Well the Polish Underground radioed London to find out what they can do about it & the United Nations (a termed first coined in 41 to describe a meeting of WeSTERN Leaders in exile - Poland, Denmark, Norway, Netherlands, Begium, etc & the British Commonwealth allies - Australia, New Zealand, Canada, etc) decided that as the German settlers were volunteerily choosing to settle on confiscated lands, then they should not be adversed to the risks of war, as such the Polish underground were told they were free to attack & kill these German settler families. Well because of this precedent Palestinians also have the right to attack & kill Israeli's who volunterily settle on land confiscated from Palestinians.

So really if those Israeli soldiers are killed it served them right for taking other peoples lands.

How would you like it if a bunch of Brazilians claimed they were descended from some long lost Indian tribe that was kicked out of North America some 2000 years ago by some other Indian tribe, then went & drove your family off the lands your family had owned for generations, using the 'god given' excuse the Israelis used.

 

[Bakwetu]

Yes it's sad that those soldiers were taken hostage, but it even more sad that the israelis are shooting and killing rock throwing palestinian kids

 

[Tripleshot]

So really if those Israeli soldiers are killed it served them right for taking other peoples lands

I sure hope you don't really mean this. Those "soldiers" are conscripted kids themselves.

If you go on an attack in mass throwing rocks at police officers in my town because they have there jail located on pristene property you desire,they would have every right to use deadly force to quell that kind of inserection if diplomacy failed(just as it has in this unfotunate circumstance.):frown:

 

[Double Trouble]

Obviously some of those posting here are not too well versed in their history. That land was taken by Isreal when they were attacked without provocation by a coalition of Arab nations. I can't blame Israel one bit for being highly aggresive in protecting what they feel are their safety zones.

Further, if you see a solder with a gun in front of you, don't throw a friggin' bottle or rock at him unless you are willing to get shot in retaliation.......

 

[etech]

Perhap if we are lucky the aborigines of Australia will find out where Danbanshee lives and save us all from that type of feeble thinking of his.

 

[Tripleshot]

etech


Huh? WTF are you babbling about?

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I just saw film footage of those palistenian kids firing thier automatic asault rifles. It isn't just rocks those kids are lobing at isreali soldiers!:disgust:

 

[DABANSHEE]

Ah Tagej, I'm talking about Israel itself who are the most successfulk purveyers of ethnic cleansing since WWII - When Israel was declared it was over 70% Arab, yet withing 10 years it was only 15% Arab, so in those short 10 years they had driven out or killed 55% of the population.

BTW, Tagej, who do you think lived there before the conception of Zionism was invent by an Austrian Jew Lawyer, Arabs, thats all.

How would you like it if a bunch of religious nuts claimed your house was given to them by god 3000 years ago & drove you off your land, killing your mum in the process?

Israel's existence is provication enough (if Israelis truelly want peace they should go back home to Hungary, Poland, New York, Yeman & where ever else they came from).

 

[Bakwetu]

No, Israel is there to stay dabanshee, I think the jews should have a state of their own, but I also understand the frustation of the palestinians when new settlements are being built all the time on occupied land.

 

[Double Trouble]

Up until only a few short years ago, most of the Arab nations in the region had sworn that they would not rest until Isreal was destroyed. If you had millions and millions of people all around you that were bent on your destruction at any cost, you'd be a little paranoid as well, and you'd do whatever it took to maintain your safety.

 

[thebestMAX]

DABANSHEE-

I suspected you were crazy before but now I know for sure.

I really wanted to visit Australia, climb the Sydney bridge and so forth so please tell me all Australians are not as demented as you are.

PS: Most of your friends ran to South America to hide.

 

[pen^2]

i am completely with GL on this. none of us can assume the rights to judge the situation for we dont beling in that conflict and dont exactly what is happening there...

 

[thebestMAX]

Yep,

GL is correct.

 

[Opinionated]

Spent a year in the Sinai Desert flying border verification missions between Israel and Egypt. Spent every spare moment in Israel getting to know BOTH the Israeli and the Palestinian people.

Liked them both.... I happen to be sympathetic to the Israeli side all things considered.... history, current situation, and most important, "To the Victor goeth the Spoils."

Now, having said that.... there is not a snowball's chance in hell that this argument will ever be fully settled.

BTW, DABANSHEE.... You are the most ignorant person I have seen on this issue in months. I'm not saying you are stupid, simply and completely ignorant of the facts. Please don't make such declarative and sweeping statements about people, places, and things you so obviously know very little about. It simply makes you look like a pecker-wood, white-supremacist, anti-semite..... (or a "Middle East for Arabs ONLY - kill the infidels" zealot) And frankly, we've got way too many of both already. I'm not saying that either label is accurate, just that you may come off that way.....

I've been there.... Before Israel became a state, that whole area pretty much a burnt-over desert. Now it is productive and green in vast areas.

When Israel took the Sinai Desert from Egypt (after Egypt et al attacked them BTW), they converted the Northern Sinai into a green and productive place.... The International community forced Israel to give the Sinai back to Egypt..... All that work down the drain.... it's once again a lifeless "Sea of Sand" with a few pathetic nomads living on it.

 

[thebestMAX]

I like Opinionated, well, at least on this thread anyway.

Just J/k, enjoy your posts and agree with you most ot the time. Now you are really in trouble!

 

[DABANSHEE]

Ah so opinionated, actually beleives all that Israeli properganda about 'a land without a people for a people without a land', the simple fact is the Sinai is not a part of Isreal, its a part of Egypt & was only occupied by Israel for a measly 9 years (from the 1967 war to the Camp David agreement in 1976), so its really irrelivent to the whole equation. As far as the Levant is concerned less than 5% of it is & has ever been desert - Just about all those Orange groves that the Israelis keep going on about actually date from Turkish times - when the Australian LightHorse stormed through Palestine in 1917 on their march to Damascus, they commented about never seeing so many citris groves in their whole lives, & virtually lived on oranges, grapes & dates there whole way through the Levant.

BTW Opnionated, when you say "To the Victor goeth the Spoils", are you saying that might is right & therefore Hitler had every right to turn 6 million jews to ash? Also you should maybe learn better Engish, the Palestinians are Semites to, so how can one be both pro-Palestinian & anti-semetic.

The fact is just as Jews were victims of Nazism, the Palestinians are victims of Zionism.

"If you go on an attack in mass throwing rocks at police officers in my town because they have there jail located on pristene property you desire,they would have every right to use deadly force to quell that kind of inserection if diplomacy failed(just as it has in this unfotunate circumstance."

Ah Tripleshot, dont tell me you are a typical stupid American who beleives the Jewish propanda at face value (remember Jews own more of Hollywood than anyone else, just look at the credits on the next Hollywood movie you see, you'll notice the executive producer will have a Jewish name, they virtually always do). Its actually the otherway arround, before Zionism was conceived a hundred years ago all that land was Arab, it was the Jews who desired the pristine property of the Palestinians & moved in & drove the Palestinians out. Do you know anything of History, over a million Palestinians were driven out by armed forced when Israel was declared in the late 40's, another million & a half more were driven out when Israel started the 67 war. Now we all know that Americans are fed the line that poor little Israel declared independence & was attacked on all side by half a dozen huge Arab armies, but the simple fact is that the Israelis had been preparing for this for years & its defence forces were more than double the size of all the Arab armies combined in 47 because of the huge amount of American aid they had (really the 47 war was a civil war between Palestinian natives & Jewish immigrants financed by foreign backers), . The simple fact is that Israel started the 1956 & 1967 wars, the only time Israel was attacked by Arab states was in the 1974 war, where they were regaining land that Israel took when Israel started the 6 day war in 67.

BTW, Tagej, you didn't answer my question, How would you like it if a bunch of religious nuts claimed your house was given to them by god 3000 years ago & drove you off your land, killing your mum in the process?

Now the simple fact the Israelis had their chance of peace & lost it. After the 67 war (well a few years afterwards), both Egypt signed over their claim to the Gaza strip to the Palestinians & Jordon signed over the their claim to the West Bank to the Palestinians to. Well as many Palestinians well tell you during that period many Palestinians were starting to accept Israeli rule, & they would have been quite happy for the West Bank/Gaza to be intergrated into Israel as long as they were given equal rights to Israelis & full citizenship, they wanted the right to secure tenor to their own homes, they wanted equal rights to water supplys, they wanted equal rights to traval, to purchase property, to get building permits (did you know on the west bank Palestinians can't even get building permits to their own land, but if a Jew goes in & claims it, they can get a building permit straight away even if its not their land). The only reason why the Interfada started was because the Palestinians became sick of the racist apartheid policies of the Israelis.

Really if Israel had the guts to declare its self a secular state & gave the Palestinians equal rights as citizens 25 years ago none of the violence of today would be neccesary. But no they wanted to keep up this fantasy of a Jewish state by bringing in millions of Jews from the Soviet Union/Russia & Ethiopia & the only way they could make room for these new settlers was by driving more Palestinians out of their homes & into refugee camps so they can confiscate more land. So its Israel's own fault this is happening now.

 

[pen^2]

hmmm... i am pretty much convinced by dabanshee. as for the rest of you do you know anything factual about the whole scene besides whatever you were fed by pro-israeli evil american media? i am no expert on this but dabanshee seems to make most sense amongst all of you.
and yes i do loathe the evil media

 

[pen^2]

...and i thought the title for this thread was supposed to be sarcastic. 3 soldiers got captured... so what, how about hundreds of innocent civillians gettin bombed?

 

[somethingwitty]

BrotherMan:

<< pro-israeli evil american media >>



The media isn't pro-Israel at ALL in this situation-look at the NY times, which printed a picture of a Jewish yeshiva student from Chicago getting beat up by arabs with a caption claiming he was a palestine getting beat up by Israelies. The UN isnt pro-israel here either, as proven by the resolution they passed condemning Israel for &quot;provoking&quot; the events of the last week and a half or so. Finally, the US govt. isnt pro-israel here-they had the chance to veto that resolution, but abstained instead.

 

[AndrewR]

<< Ah Tagej, I'm talking about Israel itself who are the most successfulk purveyers of ethnic cleansing since WWII - When Israel was declared it was over 70% Arab, yet withing 10 years it was only 15% Arab, so in those short 10 years they had driven out or killed 55% of the population. >>


Well, that's about the most ridiculously illogical and false thing I have read on here in some time. Congrats.

Did you ever stop to consider that there was a massive influx of Jews once Israel was declared who came from literally all over the world to the new Jewish homeland? Gee, maybe that had something to do with the rise in percentage of Jews living there. Conversely, I am sure that there was a similar emigration of Arabs to surrounding countries who left Israel because they didn't want to live with the Jews. Spouting off that the Jews are genocidal is so absolutely ignorant and asinine. I never would have taken you for anti-Semitic, but you're proving that right now.

And, by the way, the news story is about Lebanon, not Palestine. Try reading the quoted article before showing your anti-Semitic colors.

 

[DABANSHEE]

Are Andrew, Palestinians are semitic, so how can one be both pro Palestinian &amp; anti-semetic?

Still not one American here has answered my question

&quot;How would you like it if a bunch of Brazilians claimed they were descended from some long lost Indian tribe that was kicked out of North America some 2000 years ago by some other Indian tribe, then went &amp; drove your family off the lands your family had owned for generations, using the 'god given' excuse the Israelis used.?&quot;

Because that's the symple crux of the matter a bunch of people claim they were descended from the Jews of antiquity (even though none would be able to prove it in court) &amp; that god promised them the area of Palestine, so therefore they feel they have the right to move in &amp; take by force the lands Palestinians have been living in for generations (Gez, some Palestinians have land deeds going back to pre-Crusader times).

 

[lowtech1]

I have to agree DABANSHEE, even if his view may have been a little harsh.

I have friends once lived in the West Bank, but have moved here to Canada, because they are sick of the fighting. My friends claimed that the land is poor except for oil and that is what they are fighting for. If it weren?t for the international &amp; the American backing there wouldn?t be as much fighting and the Israelis would have been thrown off the region.

Personally I don?t have any clue of what it is like in the West Bank, but can sympathy with the people who have to live in that region. I have lived in a war torn country and have a small understanding of what the victor would do to the old/current resident of the occupied region.

After the war in Vietnam, my father a business owner in south Vietnam, who?s have not thing to do with the old regime were put in hard labor camp. And, my family had to bribe the new officials with what little money &amp; gold we had to get my father out after 4 hard years. Our procession, home &amp; properties were confiscated, and we were sent to the highlands/new land to fend for our self. Unlike most of the unfortunate white collar workers we were able to get out of Vietnam and started a new life, while the less fortunate with no farming skills, no money &amp; no supervision were left in the fields/jungle to starve. Some of the up rooted families was able to get back to the city, to become beggars and live under bridges or in front of any over hangs they can find, because their homes were given to the victors/officials families &amp; friends. With no jobs, and education or any chance of ever getting a head in life their children also are condemned to a life of thievery &amp; begging.

It could be different for the Palestinian in the West Bank, but IMHO they would be enduring something similar to what the Vietnamese has and currently experiencing.

I'm assuming that most Jews &amp; Palestinians wouldn?t mind working and sharing the land with each other, but it is the few extremis and their tyrant governments that are making life difficult for the people.


?This land is my land.
This land is your land.
So please get out,
Because it is my land...?

 

[Opinionated]

DABANSHEE - You act as if there is no History before this century. I'm agast at your virtually absent breadth of knowledge. You know certain &quot;factoids&quot; that have been woven into an anit-JEWISH position.

BTW, of course I know that Palestinians are Semitic.... Geez, if you weren't so hot to blast anyone who shows a bit of intellect and whose ideas run counter to your own. I used the term anti-semite because its commonly held definition in THIS country is that of a fervent and racist hate for all things Jewish.

Now, the whole Levant and 5% thing.... Go beat your drum somewhere else. I've BEEN there, remember? I've seen virtually every square mile of the country, from the Golan to the tip of the Negev at Eilat. I've flown over it, marched through it, driven over it, walked through its cities, farms, and deserts. I've studied the last 5000 years of its history. I've studied its triumphs and failures, its wars and peace (yes there were LONG periods of that as well. I've sat down at both Jew and Palestinian supper tables. Unless you are a native born Jew (which I doubt) or Palestinian (which doesn't seem likely), or unless you were raised or lived there (which I also doubt), I am quite confident that I have a much broader base of knowledge and have a more enhanced sense of objectivity that you could possibly muster.



<< BTW Opnionated, when you say &quot;To the Victor goeth the Spoils&quot;, are you saying that might is right &amp; therefore Hitler had every right to turn 6 million jews to ash? >>



He didn't win you freak! And I can think of no more ignorant and inflamatory reference to bring into this conversation. And for you to compare the Nazis to the Zionist is just insulting to ANYONE with a reasonable grasp of history or even a meager intellect.



<< (remember Jews own more of Hollywood than anyone else, just look at the credits on the next Hollywood movie you see, you'll notice the executive producer will have a Jewish name, they virtually always do) >>



Ok, that's it... Hey everyone. Don't even bother to try and talk to this guy about anything objectively or logically with this guy. He's obviously learned his &quot;facts&quot; and &quot;history&quot; from hate group literature (of some flavor or another). His mind is polluted by a blind hate of Jews and all things Jewish.



<< they would have been quite happy for the West Bank/Gaza to be intergrated into Israel as long as they were given equal rights to Israelis >>



Half-truth.... I agree with you that the majority of Palestinians would have been happy to live in peace as citizens of the new and rapidly more affluent society. However, it was from the beginning to now (Do you really think Arafat and his ilk have &quot;changed his spots&quot;?) that a MINORITY of the Palestinians are militant and will never be satisfied with ANY compromise. And just as the white-supremacists do over here, these militants prey on the young Palestinian people, systematically training them to hate and that they are some kind of &quot;elite&quot; force guiding the Palestinian people to some grand victory. It's the constant terrorism and subversion by these militants that has impeded Palestinian progress.

The FACT is that MOST Palestinians AND Jews simply want to live together in peace. They want to get up in the morning, do their job, take care of their families, etc. I KNOW this because I've spoken with Palestinians from many parts of Israel to include the West Bank and Gaza.

Check this out.... One night in Jerusalem, a buddy and I went to a club called the Underground. It was a pretty cool club that had been fashioned from an ancient underground catacomb or something. Very cool... Of course that entire city is just overwhelming...

Anyway, there we were.... dancing and drinking in this club with EVERYONE. Jews, Palestinians, s few Jordanians, and a sprinkling of other nationalities (like us). I mean, it was surreal to me as I contrasted what I saw on the TV News with what I was doing that night. We were all there dancing and having fun. Not one fight... At one point, we were all dancing in a big group together on the floor... My bud and I, two Palestinian 20 somethings, and two girls (gorgeous Jewish Army soldiers). It was amazing! Not ONE fight all night, not even a harsh word.... we just had fun TOGETHER.

In fact, after spending a year going to Israel every spare moment, going to Nazareth, or Bethlehem, or any of a dozen other hamlets.... ESPECIALLY when I was told that it wasn't &quot;safe&quot;, I've come to a conclusion. It was a WHOLE lot safer there on a &quot;bad day&quot; than it is in this country on almost any &quot;good day&quot;. I'm sorry, you got a bunch of journalists whose job it is to find stories. Well, the fact is, that the news media (which is ANYTHING but pro-Jewish) has simply distorted (through unbalanced coverage) the truth. There are not riots and bombings in the streets over there all the time. There is a WHOLE lot more violence, crime, and drugs in OUR streets than you could ever find there.

But I know that you will not beieve me... I know it. It makes me sad, but I know you won't or can't believe me. There is no problem over there that can't be worked out, but the problem is that there are too many people's interests that run counter to peace. These small minorities (most of them external to the country) will continue to stoke the fire over there.

Opinionated

 

[etech]

How would you like it if a bunch of Brazilians claimed they were descended from some long lost Indian tribe that was kicked out of North America some 2000 years ago by some other Indian tribe, then went &amp; drove your family off the lands your family had owned for generations, using the 'god given' excuse the Israelis used.?&quot;

How about if the aborigines of Austrilia told you to get the hell off of their continent?

How far back do you want to go?