Oh no!! CS is stealing my soul!!!

randomboy

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Hehe, j/k, just started playing CS online today.........its as addicting as people told me :D Been playing the past 3 hours straight, and I dont see an end in sight for tonite, I'll have to pry myself away at some point. Just saying, yay for this game :)

Jeff
 

Slogun

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Hehe, that's what I've been saying for the past 3 years.

Welcome to the community.
 

Shack70

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Bloodstein, your an idiot! ;)

you asked for it! Yes CS is like the crack of online gaming. Only good thing is you dont have to pay a monthly fee to play!
 

vash

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CS, in all honesty, shouldn't have what it takes to make a very addictive game. Here are some reasons:

1. The game, in itself, isn't balanced.
-- The teams start even (money wise, not weapon wise), but quickly change in favor of the winning team. Taking a losing team to winning is a very tough thing, especially when you are down on cash.

2. Firing through walls.
-- I totally enjoy firing through walls in this game, but, it does help the cheating involved with ghosting and wallhacks (yes, I know about latest VAC, but there are wallhacks still out).

3. Weapons are not equal.
-- Sure, the AK47 is one fine killing machine, but there aren't as many skilled AK47 players as there are M4 players. The terrorist, by and large, have inaccurate, yet cheap weapons. While the better funded CTs, have more accurate weapons.

Gameplay is KING. CS doesn't look as good as other games out there (however, the skeletal animation is still above Quake3 based games), but the gameplay is the saving grace of this game and its numbers show why its still #1. Valve has kept this title well funded by adding anticheats that do get > 90% of the public hacks out there. If someone "left" CS because of hacks, show them a server, with HLGUARD 1.20+ and see if they can spot a hacker.

vash
 

Slogun

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Good to hear from you again Vash.

Most of your points are well taken, but I am surprised at the criticisms you mentioned.

In my opinion, team balance varies more by map and who the particular players present are.

When one team starts to own, we move some folks around to even things out.

(Hehe, yes, after roughly years playing cs, I finally can manage the AK, most of the time).

BTW, Half-Life (gold code) just turned 4 years old, amazing how popular it still is.
 

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Originally posted by: vash
CS, in all honesty, shouldn't have what it takes to make a very addictive game. Here are some reasons:

1. The game, in itself, isn't balanced.
-- The teams start even (money wise, not weapon wise), but quickly change in favor of the winning team. Taking a losing team to winning is a very tough thing, especially when you are down on cash.

2. Firing through walls.
-- I totally enjoy firing through walls in this game, but, it does help the cheating involved with ghosting and wallhacks (yes, I know about latest VAC, but there are wallhacks still out).

3. Weapons are not equal.
-- Sure, the AK47 is one fine killing machine, but there aren't as many skilled AK47 players as there are M4 players. The terrorist, by and large, have inaccurate, yet cheap weapons. While the better funded CTs, have more accurate weapons.

Gameplay is KING. CS doesn't look as good as other games out there (however, the skeletal animation is still above Quake3 based games), but the gameplay is the saving grace of this game and its numbers show why its still #1. Valve has kept this title well funded by adding anticheats that do get > 90% of the public hacks out there. If someone "left" CS because of hacks, show them a server, with HLGUARD 1.20+ and see if they can spot a hacker.

vash



Just one item... About your money comment. A losing team will get more and more money as they continue to lose matches. The first lose brings a huge deduction in money but each subsiquent lose actually adds more to the pot. A losing player can actually make more money than the average winning player. Here's the list from the main site...

Rescuing a Hostage

$1000 for individual, $150 for team mates (awarded at end of round)

Kill a Hostage

-$1500 for individual

?Use? a Hostage

$150 for individual, $100 for team mates

Kill Opponent

$300 for individual

Kill Team Mate

-$3300 for individual

Terrorists Win by Bombing Target

$2750 for team members

Win by Elemination Hostage map

$2000 for team members

Win by Elemination Bomb map

$2500 for team members

CTs Defuse Bomb

$2750 for team members

CTs Win by Rescuing Hostages

$2000 for team members + Hostage bonuses

Surviving Hostage Bonus

$150 per hostage for team members

Hostages Rescued Bonus

$250 per hostage for CT team members

Either Team Loses Round

$1400 for team members

Either Team Loses over 2 Consecutive Rounds

$1400 + $500 per round over 2 (to maximum $2900)
for team members
 

pumpkinhead76

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Originally posted by: vash
CS, in all honesty, shouldn't have what it takes to make a very addictive game. Here are some reasons:

1. The game, in itself, isn't balanced.
-- The teams start even (money wise, not weapon wise), but quickly change in favor of the winning team. Taking a losing team to winning is a very tough thing, especially when you are down on cash.

2. Firing through walls.
-- I totally enjoy firing through walls in this game, but, it does help the cheating involved with ghosting and wallhacks (yes, I know about latest VAC, but there are wallhacks still out).

3. Weapons are not equal.
-- Sure, the AK47 is one fine killing machine, but there aren't as many skilled AK47 players as there are M4 players. The terrorist, by and large, have inaccurate, yet cheap weapons. While the better funded CTs, have more accurate weapons.

Gameplay is KING. CS doesn't look as good as other games out there (however, the skeletal animation is still above Quake3 based games), but the gameplay is the saving grace of this game and its numbers show why its still #1. Valve has kept this title well funded by adding anticheats that do get > 90% of the public hacks out there. If someone "left" CS because of hacks, show them a server, with HLGUARD 1.20+ and see if they can spot a hacker.

vash

Well I'm not sure what your stance is exactly, but I started playing CS just under a year ago and I've been addicted ever since. I was mostly a Rocket Arena player before that, but since CS, I just can't get enough. Anyways, allow me to retort:

1.) The game, in itself, isn't balanced.
Yes it is. Like you said, everyone starts out with even money. How good your team is will affect how much money you get. This is one of the factors of what makes CS great. Not only must you win, but you get incentive for winning. Yes, sometimes you will get on a team where the opposing team has all the great players stacked together, but you win some, you lose some. I'm sure for everytime you were on a losing team there was anothere where you had awesome kill/death ratio in a game where you were on the excelling team. It's what makes the game fun. I think they are balanced, you just get a luck of the draw.

2.) Firing through walls.
Have to agree with you on this point, but at the same time, I'm glad it's in there. Cheating is the scourge of online playing, and I'm glad that Valve has taken a hand in trying to discourage this, but with as many players as there are just for this one mod, it's not surprising that this happens. But that's another issue. As far as shooting through walls goes, it's what separates the l33t from the n00bs. Honestly, I still don't think to shoot through walls sometimes when I'm AWPing, but it happens to me all the time. One of the best draws about CS is how "realistic" it is. Granted it has it's unrealistic factors also, but they're only in there to make it fun. Being able to shoot through walls only backs this factor up.

3.) Weapons are not equal
I VERY MUCH disagree with you on this point. Although I must say it varies by map, but the AK47 is one kicka$$ weapon. Yes, it does take more skill, but it teaches you one of the most important facets of CS. You have to burst instead of praying and spraying. With the M4A1, or the SMG even, you can just pray and spray and usually do ok, but with the AK, you'll be lucky if you even hit them. Getting good with the AK is like getting good with the AWP. Both take precision. When I first started, I would always drop the AK for the M4A1, or even the SMG, but now, if I'm on Dust for example, I take an AK and I go through the lower tunnel. I've been able to take out AWPers across the way and also plenty of headshots of AWPers in the the CT sniper nest. A very powerful weapon, and yes, it does take more skill to use it, but I think the makers of CS balanced this by making the Krieg a more accurate 'zoom' weapon. See, the M4A1 is more accurate(especially with the silencer) but the Bullpup is the more powerful, less accurate of the two. The same could be said for the M4A1/AK47. One is more accurate/less powerful and the other is less accurate/more powerful. After that, most weapons are available to both teams(except fo the auto-sniper, but who really uses that anyway?) The only weapon I can say is unbalanced is the T's starting pistol. Worst pistol in the game.

I love this game. I am a CS addict and I have no shame in admitting it. I've been a gamer for most of my life and as far as I'm concerned, this is the best game ever. I consider replayability the number one factor of how good a game is, and this game has kept me coming back over and over and over and over and ove............
 

Slogun

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Heh, take it easy on Vash guys.

He is a major fan of the game, and a bit of an authority on it.;)
 

vash

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I'M NOT BASHING CS! By far, CS is my favorite game, I was simply listing things, in CS, that tend to keep other games from getting popular. I'm CS Beta3 vet (yes, not beta1 old school), so I've seen all the changes and seen the entire wave of people that have joined the game. CS is my favorite game, by far, I was just pointing out things that I see with it that generally kill of a game vs. keep it alive.

With that in mind, Counter-Strike, is definitely a game that defies all odds.

If anyone wants to read an interview of CS that I've done, check it here: Interview link

If you want the main page, check: http://www.gamelord.org

Click on In Your Face, to the left, and you'll see the interview there (its the top one). Here are also some more explanation of the things I said (since a few people can't seem to read and take with a grain of salt).

1. The game isn't generally balanced.
-- There are only a few maps that "balanced" for both teams in terms of spawn, area to cover, etc (all de_ maps). With that in mind, CTs have the general advantage from round 1. They have the better pistol and have a better chance of winning the first, second and third round. Yes, if you continue to lose you get a bigger bonus, but the winners still have their M4s/AUGs, etc, even if you are "just" able to buy the AK47 (losing three in a row also slows down momentum). A handful of good players will keep the CT side winning, but you need more, good, Ts (in general) to keep them winning.

3. The weapons, in general, are not balanced.
-- CTs have all the necessary better guns. From round 1, with the USP, to the second or third round M4 carbine. These guns are more accurate than their T counterpart weapons, therefore, easier to use for most people. Sure, the glock is useful (the burst is great up close) and the AK is far more deadly (my preferred weapon of choice), but not as many people can make those guns kill as many people as the USP and M4.

Keep the replies up, I'm full of useful CS information.

vash
 

clicknext

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I used to play CS. It took all my time. Good thing my girlfriend made me quit... girlfriends are good for something I guess. ;)
 

rayma2

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yes cs is a sweet game. it is a bummer that I only get good pings at certain points of the day.
 

Boris691

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no one should ever badmouth the ak. it is the best weapon in the game. i would take it over the m4 anyday. it just takes more skill to use
 

pumpkinhead76

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Vash,

Great interview. Very cool you have been playing so long. I'm not sure if I'm happy or sad that I've only been playing this for only a year b/c of the one hand, I suck compared to you, but on the other, all I do is play CS. Is there a CS Anonymous anywhere?
 

vash

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Originally posted by: pumpkinhead76
Vash,

Great interview. Very cool you have been playing so long. I'm not sure if I'm happy or sad that I've only been playing this for only a year b/c of the one hand, I suck compared to you, but on the other, all I do is play CS. Is there a CS Anonymous anywhere?
I wouldn't be surprised if there was a place to try and kick the habit. Every other game I play, I still come back to CS. However, I do tend to take CS "breaks" by playing completely different games (Tropico, MTGO). But I come back to CS and other FPS titles.

vash
 

randomboy

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Question.....how do I raise my FPS?? Granted, I've been on servers now with 20-25 people simultaneously and I get no lag, its just pinned @ 60fps, even after trying raising the fps_max in the CS .cfg file, doing it in console, and couldnt get the nvidia refresh rate fix to work, something about couldnt detect something or other, any ideas?? :( I mean, the game runs absolutely smooth as a babies bottom, but if my box will run it faster than 60fps, goddamnit, I want to know how :)

xp1500+ @ 1.71ghz
Ti4200 @ 270/540
mushkin pc2700 level2 @ 22251

All on stock voltages :D

Any ideas?? Btw, the first time you take out a whole 5-6 person team completely by yourself in one round, you just feel damn good :)

Jeff
 

vash

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Originally posted by: randomboy
Question.....how do I raise my FPS?? Granted, I've been on servers now with 20-25 people simultaneously and I get no lag, its just pinned @ 60fps, even after trying raising the fps_max in the CS .cfg file, doing it in console, and couldnt get the nvidia refresh rate fix to work, something about couldnt detect something or other, any ideas?? :( I mean, the game runs absolutely smooth as a babies bottom, but if my box will run it faster than 60fps, goddamnit, I want to know how :)

xp1500+ @ 1.71ghz
Ti4200 @ 270/540
mushkin pc2700 level2 @ 22251

All on stock voltages :D

Any ideas?? Btw, the first time you take out a whole 5-6 person team completely by yourself in one round, you just feel damn good :)
Turn off VSYNC, very important. Also, make sure you find a refresh rate tool which does detect your card and will override the refresh rates for you. CS, will easily, be 100 FPS at nearly all times on your box, as long as you follow those two rules. Last, but not least, find out what your max refresh rate is for the resolution you play CS in -- this is more the limiting factor for your gaming.

vash

 

shadow

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Has anyone had trouble with HLDS ping Booster?

I got banned from the Dark Republic server because whenever I joined, I lagged the crap out of it. I don't understand how I, and I alone can lag an entire server, but I do. The only thing I can think of is the HLDS ping booster, with it's different network settings combined with my network configuration. I have not modified any of CS or HL network settings.

shadow
 

randomboy

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On my 19" Samsung 955b, I max @ 85hz @ 1024x768x32, and have windows set as such, although I cant be sure, I'm thinking it might be re-setting itself with every reboot, I'll have to check for sure though. Since I had no luck w/ the Nvidia refresh fix, what else is out there? I'm learning more and more stuff every day (pretty new to the pc world, as far as this type of stuff is concerned) and didnt even know there was stuff out there like this (refresh rates, clock speeds, yadda yadda ) :). I'm pretty sure vsync has been off, I'll check that too.

I mean, again, its not a big deal, 60fps looks just great, I get not a single bit of video lag, any lag I get is from the servers, so if I cant get it above 60fps, so be it, but if I can, I'd be all the more happier.

Jeff
 

DrVos

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Man I love CS... out of all the games I've played, this is the one I keep on coming back to. Hey RandomBoy, if you need any tips lets me know! I'd be glad to share my sage wisdom.

Oh, BTW if you ever come across a "90 lb Weakling" rest assured that me wiping the floor with yer face! :p
MWAHAHA