Throckmorton
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This sucks. Haliburton, KBR, Blackwater, and all the rest need to be off the government payroll.
I don't disagree conceptually, but there's one slight problem with that approach. It used to be simple because (through the draft) there was a large pool of available people for the military at a relatively low cost. However, now it's very expensive to train and recruit each member of the military, and we simply don't have the manpower to have the military handle all those "support" roles that it used to handle in previous wars. That's why they turned to private contractors.
Oh look! Obama admin gives no bid contract to Haliburton
You Republicans should be thrilled your buds are still be taken care of.
Is that not the case?
Oh look! Obama admin gives no bid contract to Haliburton
You Republicans should be thrilled your buds are still be taken care of.
Is that not the case?
Oh look! Obama admin gives no bid contract to Haliburton
You Republicans should be thrilled your buds are still be taken care of.
Is that not the case?
Maybe Greenman has a point in saying, "Perhaps you work for crooks, because I can assure you that this isn't normal and common business practice."
But what has this to do with Haliburon, that was in the big business corruption business long before Obama was elected?
Point being, unlike most of US business, Halliburton is somewhat corruption personified as a business model. And because Halliburton bought Kellog Brown and Rout, they bought a long and rich established corruption experience dating back even before the time of LBJ's first congressional term.
Yet we expect only Obama, all by him self, to wave that magic wand that the last 90 years of US President failed to wield, and make a large and now internationa corporation like Haliburton is to simply evaporate in the new daylight. And failing that, Obama is the greatest rascal in history which seems to be the thread thesis.
OK OK join me, help Obama and write your congressmen and senators and ask them to ban Haliburon from ever receiving any US governments contracts.
Or perhaps the military should be reorganized so that logistics and supply, as well as services such as base construction, laundry, etc. are separate from the fighting forces. Basically tweak the merchant marine model (as it operates in war time) into a full time service that runs the back side of all the forces. I don't know if that's a good idea or not, but it's a thought. At least it would reduce the training overhead needed to staff such duties, without privatizing them.Agreed on all points. We use private contractors because we have manpower issues. Honestly though, since I disagree in principle on using private contractors in military matters, we should either bring back the draft to get ahold of the manpower issue, or reduce our operations to compensate for the amount of military manpower available.
I try to give people the benefit of the doubt when it comes to racism but I have noticed that Mr Obama's political opponents mention his race more than anyone else.
You must be smoking something. Very very very rarely have I heard anything regarding race mentioned by Obama opponents. Race is almost always brought into the discussion by his supporters, who it seems are certain that everyone who disagrees with him must simply be racist. Don't get me wrong, I know as well as anyone else that a certain portion of opposition to Obama is based on racism, just like a portion of his unconditional support is based on racism.
From what expertise do you counter my assertion?
No one called them crooks. It's just the way the system works. If you think bids are neutral to all parties, then you're not speaking from a perspective of experience.
Everything I said is fact, not conjecture. If you have directly bid on government contracts as well and feel have contrary experience, then please educate us.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------I have in fact bid on many government contracts. The entire process was spelled out at the very beginning of each bid, and every aspect of it was open to scrutiny by everyone involved. They went so far as to require that any questions had to be asked in writing, so that the question and answer could be sent to every contractor bidding on the project. At the bid opening the envelopes were unsealed, the bids read, and the apparent winning bid announced. Every contractor could, and often did, request a copy of the winning bid. It was, as far as I could tell, absolutely clean.
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Th Greenman contention may have some totally external to this thread validity, but it so so does not apply to a sweetheart no other bidders permitted contract like Halibuton just got.
Indeed! And although you may have disagreed with Bush on <insert issue here>, if you disagree with Obama its because youre either racist or partisan
Or perhaps the military should be reorganized so that logistics and supply, as well as services such as base construction, laundry, etc. are separate from the fighting forces. Basically tweak the merchant marine model (as it operates in war time) into a full time service that runs the back side of all the forces. I don't know if that's a good idea or not, but it's a thought. At least it would reduce the training overhead needed to staff such duties, without privatizing them.
But I still agree we could use a major reduction in operations across the board...
Posting in a troll thread!
Other than the Army actually approving the contract, I can't really find another connection to Obama.
Fifty percent-plus of The War in Afghanistan has always been 'contracted out'. Privatizing War is now the New Way forward in the new millenium.
From paying the Northern Alliance in October of 2001, forward to this day of Afghan Policing and Nation-Building, we PAY.
Of the 100k+ 'contractors' in Afghanistan only around 11k are US citizens. Why the Army cannot hire their own locals, who knows?
Other than the fact of privatizing war-for-profit in the military industrial complex, of course.
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