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VRAMdemon

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Old and soggy to waterboys perhaps

No. But if Bernie loses the nomination because of Warren playing this card, enough voters will stay home to give Trump the margins he needs...same as last time.

Why would Republicans apologize for a candidate that has become a cult of personality affirmation of their grievances? It’s long overdue for the uninspired centrist Democrats to acknowledge that “we’re less worst”, while wading in the swamp, is not a winning strategy.

Meh...the only people who care about this "incident" are the people with obsessive grievances with the Democratic party, and no doubt that this sort of thing gets put up on the assignment board at the St. Petersburg and Cyprus troll farms: "HIT THIS HARD TODAY". There is no way this is disinformation spread for the purpose of dividing the Democratic Party and it's voters! No way! Maybe the bastion of truth and integrity Tulsi can straighten this all out.

But it's also about journalists (or perhaps "journalists") getting career points when they tempt one candidate into making rude remarks about another candidate. Score! Of such "scoops" are promotions and pay-raises made.

In that this "story" is a nothingberder that's being ginned up by the media so they can promote the campaign as an acrimonius horse-race rather than being between people who have far more in common with each other than they do disagreements. Again, score!

A guy like Bernie can't possibly say in public, "A woman can't get elected." But in private, he might be telling Warren that she'd face disadvantages against Trump a man wouldn't.

I will say that they both look stupid for letting this dumb shit play out as much as it has. both Warren and Sanders lookweak from this episode. Maybe now the Bros can shove their holier-than-thou "He's not a real politician" crap, but Warren still should have shook his hand and faked a smile.

Wake me up on Feb 12th. I've been paying no attention and it's still too much. As will most people...yawn
 

Starbuck1975

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Meh...the only people who care about this "incident" are the people with obsessive grievances with the Democratic party, and no doubt that this sort of thing gets put up on the assignment board at the St. Petersburg and Cyprus troll farms: "HIT THIS HARD TODAY". There is no way this is disinformation spread for the purpose of dividing the Democratic Party and it's voters! No way! Maybe the bastion of truth and integrity Tulsi can straighten this all out.

But it's also about journalists (or perhaps "journalists") getting career points when they tempt one candidate into making rude remarks about another candidate. Score! Of such "scoops" are promotions and pay-raises made.

In that this "story" is a nothingberder that's being ginned up by the media so they can promote the campaign as an acrimonius horse-race rather than being between people who have far more in common with each other than they do disagreements. Again, score!

A guy like Bernie can't possibly say in public, "A woman can't get elected." But in private, he might be telling Warren that she'd face disadvantages against Trump a man wouldn't.

I will say that they both look stupid for letting this dumb shit play out as much as it has. both Warren and Sanders lookweak from this episode. Maybe now the Bros can shove their holier-than-thou "He's not a real politician" crap, but Warren still should have shook his hand and faked a smile.

Wake me up on Feb 12th. I've been paying no attention and it's still too much. As will most people...yawn
#NeverWarren is trending on Twitter, and Twitter is stating that Russian troll farms are not behind it. NBC is stating its actually trending because some influencers are trying to do damage control. Nothing to see here citizens, move along.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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#NeverWarren is trending on Twitter, and Twitter is stating that Russian troll farms are not behind it. NBC is stating its actually trending because some influencers are trying to do damage control. Nothing to see here citizens, move along.
Are we to now be very seriously concerned that random schmucks on the internet are doing damage to the Democratic brand? Do you really want to walk down that path of individual-represents-the-majority?
 
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fskimospy

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#NeverWarren is trending on Twitter, and Twitter is stating that Russian troll farms are not behind it. NBC is stating its actually trending because some influencers are trying to do damage control. Nothing to see here citizens, move along.

The funny thing is that last time I checked the reason #neverwarren was trending was because of people saying not to do it and how dumb it was, haha.

So yes it literally appears to be nothing to see here.
 
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The funny thing is that last time I checked the reason #neverwarren was trending was because of people saying not to do it and how dumb it was, haha.

So yes it literally appears to be nothing to see here.
Yep just posted a tweet regarding it. Maybe people should stop projecting?
 

Starbuck1975

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Are we to now be very seriously concerned that random schmucks on the internet are doing damage to the Democratic brand? Do you really want to walk down that path of individual-represents-the-majority?
It’s not trending because outliers are trying to damage Democrats. It’s trending because people are doing damage control, which begs the question of who would float such red meat to a hungry media at this stage of the process.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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It’s not trending because outliers are trying to damage Democrats. It’s trending because people are doing damage control, which begs the question of who would float such red meat to a hungry media at this stage of the process.
No, it was trending because the top posts regarding the subject were upvoted tweets from people telling people it's idiotic to use it. It literally was trending because people thought it was dumb to trend it.

You're really reaching for some kind of democrats-eating-themselves conspiracy theory here. Nobody but grifters will remember this 'democrat twitter crisis' in three days.
 

woolfe9998

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No, it was trending because the top posts regarding the subject were upvoted tweets from people telling people it's idiotic to use it. It literally was trending because people thought it was dumb to trend it.

You're really reaching for some kind of democrats-eating-themselves conspiracy theory here. Nobody but grifters will remember this 'democrat twitter crisis' in three days.

Nor will anyone remember it in November, or for that matter, in February when the primary voting starts. CNN got some ratings and clicks out of it for a couple days. That is all.
 

ivwshane

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The democrats had a pretty easy standard, take care of the working class, unfortunately you don't get rich doing that and they wanted some of that corporate pig slop the republicans didn't mind gorging on while still trying appear to be the party of the people.

Many college educated liberals who harp about living wages, healthcare, along with the latest social justice issue of the day have no qualms about hating on the union based middle class that earns more than them and look down at them with contempt, especially factory workers, in effect doing the work of right to work republicans for them.

And then you all wonder why you end up with someone like Trump.


Thanks for proving my point.
 

Muse

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Just to hear Sen. Warren say to Sen. Sanders "You just called me a liar on national television !" was worth the price of admission. Especially after she claimed he said a woman couldn't be elected President of this country in a old private conversation. How sweet it is!
You are already 1/2 way down the GOP garbage disposal. Save yourself or perish.
 
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I honestly have no idea what you mean by "purity test". I took it to mean things like making Al Franken resign over some stupid joking photos. That kind of purity - as if someone can't possibly have done something wrong or politically incorrect during your younger years.

When you make an argument it helps if you actually know what you are talking about. Obviously you don't or it's deliberate.

8 women that we know of, multiple credible accusations of groping.

Leeann Tweeden: People who followed Franken’s resignation probably remember the photo of Franken grinning and placing his hands over the breasts of a woman in uniform while she was sleeping. Her name is Leeann Tweeden, and she was the first to come forward with allegations against the former senator. On Nov. 16, 2017, she published her personal account of the incident on 790 KABC-AM radio’s website.

Tweeden said that Franken kissed her without her consent while on a December 2006 USO tour, after he pressed her to rehearse a sketch he wrote that called for them to kiss. She also provided a photo of Franken appearing to grab her breasts while she was sleeping.

Franken said at the time that he didn’t recall the skit rehearsal "the same way" as Tweeden, but he apologized. He also said the photo "was clearly intended to be funny but wasn’t" and he "shouldn’t have done it."

He issued a more detailed apology to the press Nov. 16.

Lindsay Menz: At the 2010 Minnesota State Fair, Menz said Franken groped her while her husband took a photo of the two of them. Menz quickly informed her husband, father and mother about the incident, and CNN confirmed their accounts.

Franken told CNN that he takes thousands of pictures with people and didn’t remember the photo. He added that he "(feels) badly that Ms. Menz came away from our interaction feeling disrespected."

Stephanie Kemplin: Kemplin alleged Franken groped her while taking a picture with him. The picture was taken in December 2003, during another USO tour, and Kemplin provided the photo to CNN.

She said she shared her experience to her sister and an ex-boyfriend years before her allegations were made public. CNN verified that during interviews.

A spokesperson for Franken again said that he has taken thousands of photos with people before and added that he "never intentionally engaged in this kind of conduct."

"He remains fully committed to cooperating with the ethics investigation," the spokesperson told CNN.

Tina Dupuy: Dupuy published a first-person essay detailing her allegations on Dec. 6, 2017.

Dupuy said that Franken groped her while taking a picture with him at a party hosted by Media Matters after President Barack Obama’s first inauguration, and she provided the photo of the two and other photos of herself at the party.

When PolitiFact asked her if there were any developments to her story since publication, she said that the piece is "current and correct" and that the "only change is more women with Franken encounters" have since been in contact with her.

Franken never commented on Dupuy’s essay.

The anonymous accounts

Franken has either explicitly denied or does not recall incidents mentioned in allegations made by four anonymous women.

The Huffington Post published an article on the allegations of the first two anonymous accusers on Nov. 22, 2017. The two incidents both involved groping and occurred at Minneapolis events more than a year apart.

The first woman alleged that Franken groped her while the two were taking a picture June 25, 2007; she shared the experience at the time with friends that Huffington Post was able to interview but didn’t name.

Franken told the Huffington Post that he doesn’t recall the specific campaign events during which the incidents are alleged to have occurred.

The second anonymous woman said that, in addition to groping her, Franken asked her to join him in the bathroom. At the time, Franken said he "can categorically say that I did not proposition anyone to join me in any bathroom."

The third anonymous accuser was reported to be a former New England elected official. The website Jezebel reported that it independently confirmed that the woman appeared on a live taping of Franken’s former radio station in 2006. Jezebel also interviewed the woman’s sister, who had been told of the incident at the time.

Jezebel reporter Anna Merlan told PolitiFact that she stands by the story of the anonymous elected official. She said Franken’s office told her they received her request to comment but never responded.

Finally, Politico reported that a former congressional aide said Franken tried to forcibly kiss her after she left a taping of his radio show in 2006. Politico said her version of events was independently corroborated by two of the aide’s former colleagues.

Franken denied the claim, saying it was "categorically not true" and that he looked forward to cooperating with a Senate ethics investigation.

 

woolfe9998

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When you make an argument it helps if you actually know what you are talking about. Obviously you don't or it's deliberate.

8 women that we know of, multiple credible accusations of groping.

Leeann Tweeden: People who followed Franken’s resignation probably remember the photo of Franken grinning and placing his hands over the breasts of a woman in uniform while she was sleeping. Her name is Leeann Tweeden, and she was the first to come forward with allegations against the former senator. On Nov. 16, 2017, she published her personal account of the incident on 790 KABC-AM radio’s website.

Tweeden said that Franken kissed her without her consent while on a December 2006 USO tour, after he pressed her to rehearse a sketch he wrote that called for them to kiss. She also provided a photo of Franken appearing to grab her breasts while she was sleeping.

Franken said at the time that he didn’t recall the skit rehearsal "the same way" as Tweeden, but he apologized. He also said the photo "was clearly intended to be funny but wasn’t" and he "shouldn’t have done it."

He issued a more detailed apology to the press Nov. 16.

Lindsay Menz: At the 2010 Minnesota State Fair, Menz said Franken groped her while her husband took a photo of the two of them. Menz quickly informed her husband, father and mother about the incident, and CNN confirmed their accounts.

Franken told CNN that he takes thousands of pictures with people and didn’t remember the photo. He added that he "(feels) badly that Ms. Menz came away from our interaction feeling disrespected."

Stephanie Kemplin: Kemplin alleged Franken groped her while taking a picture with him. The picture was taken in December 2003, during another USO tour, and Kemplin provided the photo to CNN.

She said she shared her experience to her sister and an ex-boyfriend years before her allegations were made public. CNN verified that during interviews.

A spokesperson for Franken again said that he has taken thousands of photos with people before and added that he "never intentionally engaged in this kind of conduct."

"He remains fully committed to cooperating with the ethics investigation," the spokesperson told CNN.

Tina Dupuy: Dupuy published a first-person essay detailing her allegations on Dec. 6, 2017.

Dupuy said that Franken groped her while taking a picture with him at a party hosted by Media Matters after President Barack Obama’s first inauguration, and she provided the photo of the two and other photos of herself at the party.

When PolitiFact asked her if there were any developments to her story since publication, she said that the piece is "current and correct" and that the "only change is more women with Franken encounters" have since been in contact with her.

Franken never commented on Dupuy’s essay.

The anonymous accounts

Franken has either explicitly denied or does not recall incidents mentioned in allegations made by four anonymous women.

The Huffington Post published an article on the allegations of the first two anonymous accusers on Nov. 22, 2017. The two incidents both involved groping and occurred at Minneapolis events more than a year apart.

The first woman alleged that Franken groped her while the two were taking a picture June 25, 2007; she shared the experience at the time with friends that Huffington Post was able to interview but didn’t name.

Franken told the Huffington Post that he doesn’t recall the specific campaign events during which the incidents are alleged to have occurred.

The second anonymous woman said that, in addition to groping her, Franken asked her to join him in the bathroom. At the time, Franken said he "can categorically say that I did not proposition anyone to join me in any bathroom."

The third anonymous accuser was reported to be a former New England elected official. The website Jezebel reported that it independently confirmed that the woman appeared on a live taping of Franken’s former radio station in 2006. Jezebel also interviewed the woman’s sister, who had been told of the incident at the time.

Jezebel reporter Anna Merlan told PolitiFact that she stands by the story of the anonymous elected official. She said Franken’s office told her they received her request to comment but never responded.

Finally, Politico reported that a former congressional aide said Franken tried to forcibly kiss her after she left a taping of his radio show in 2006. Politico said her version of events was independently corroborated by two of the aide’s former colleagues.

Franken denied the claim, saying it was "categorically not true" and that he looked forward to cooperating with a Senate ethics investigation.


You can leave Tweedon off that list. She has proven to have lied about more than one thing. For example, she claimed Franken had written the skit with the kiss in it because he knew she would be in the production, but she knew for a fact that the skit had been performed several times in prior years and the kiss had always been in it. Tweedon made these allegations in direct conjunction with her friend Sean Hannity who advised her on how to time it. She only got lucky that there may have been some real incidents involving other women.
 
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You can leave Tweedon off that list. She has proven to have lied about more than one thing. For example, she claimed Franken had written the skit with the kiss in it because he knew she would be in the production, but she knew for a fact that the skit had been performed several times in prior years and the kiss had always been in it. Tweedon made these allegations in direct conjunction with her friend Sean Hannity who advised her on how to time it. She only got lucky that there may have been some real incidents involving other women.

Oh stop it. In the end he reluctantly did the right thing and resigned.
 
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woolfe9998

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All that concern, it's a heavy burden.


Oh stop it. In the end he reluctantly did the right thing and resigned.

No because Tweedon lied and that should be known. This started as a Hannity fueled political hit job.

And yes he resigned reluctantly, after he begged Schumer and the rest of Senate leadership to conduct an investigation of the allegations and they refused to investigate, demanding that he resign instead. If everyone is so certain about these allegations, why not investigate? It's what we all demanded in relation to Kavanaugh.
 

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#NeverWarren is trending on Twitter, and Twitter is stating that Russian troll farms are not behind it. NBC is stating its actually trending because some influencers are trying to do damage control. Nothing to see here citizens, move along.


It's literally trending because people are tweeting saying to stop using it and, in turn, increasing it's trending.
 
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No because Tweedon lied and that should be known. This started as a Hannity fueled political hit job.

And yes he resigned reluctantly, after he begged Schumer and the rest of Senate leadership to conduct an investigation of the allegations and they refused to investigate, demanding that he resign instead. If everyone is so certain about these allegations, why not investigate? It's what we all demanded in relation to Kavanaugh.

I don't give a shit about Hannity and the skit. The photo and the 'comedy' behind it were disgusting. Franken admitted that himself. I find the 7 other women's allegations to be credible and nobody has come forward since they spoke to counter any of their claims.

He did the right thing even if he really didn't want to. Far as I'm concerned, case closed unless someone comes up with some evidence to cast doubt on the other 7 women's allegations.
 

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But in private, he might be telling Warren that she'd face disadvantages against Trump a man wouldn't.

My hypothesis is that Bernie brought up to Sen. Warren that Trump would weaponize misogyny against her in a clumsy way... or that Sen. Warren misinterpreted Bernie warning her about Trump being willing to use misogynistic tactics or both.

best comment about this I have seen so far
CNN: "Bernie have you ever eaten a cookie?"
Bernie: "No"
CNN: "Cookie Monster, how did you feel when Bernie ate all your cookies?"
Cookie Monster: "OH BOY OH BOY, COOOOKIEEES!! ME HAVE COOOKIES NOW!!"

also so maybe someone posted this already but...


I'll just post it again.

Even the person on MSNBC who is most likely to oppose Bernie's policies outright doesn't believe the CNN smear job... it seems that CNN eventually turned into what Lush Rimbaugh said they were decades ago..




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I don't give a shit about Hannity and the skit. The photo and the 'comedy' behind it were disgusting. Franken admitted that himself. I find the 7 other women's allegations to be credible and nobody has come forward since they spoke to counter any of their claims.

He did the right thing even if he really didn't want to. Far as I'm concerned, case closed unless someone comes up with some evidence to cast doubt on the other 7 women's allegations.
Here's a blogger's view on Mother Jones from 7/2019 on the allegations one by one. Not saying I agree with him, just offering a view I found on the subject.