Oh Boy it's starting..... Black monday dawns again.

Mavtek3100

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http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/ho...oney/article709921.ece

THE London stockmarket was in freefall today plumetting 5.5 per cent - the biggest fall since 9/11 terror attacks.

The FTSE 100 Index tumbled almost six per cent at one point - a fall not seen since the 9/11 terror attacks in 2001 - as fears over the health of the world's biggest economy swept through markets across the globe.

Although traders' nerves steadied later to recoup the worst of the losses, the Footsie was still down by more than three per cent, or 186.2 points, to 5715.5 by mid session.

The fall came as Asian markets tumbled overnight following losses for the Dow Jones Industrial Average on Friday, when investors were left unimpressed by the US Government's tax-relief plans to spur on the economy.

Heavily-weighted banking and mining stocks dragged the Footsie lower as concerns over a slowdown gathered pace. HSBC and Royal Bank of Scotland - both with heavy exposure to the US economy - each saw shares lose four per cent, falling 30.5p to 730p and 13.75p to 359.25p respectively.

Strangely I thought the international markets would fair ok, I was moving my money to international funds to stem this thing. Needless to say I'm going to move to CD's or guaranteed income. Yikes the international markets reacted this way, how is our market going to react tomorrow?
 

blackangst1

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Originally posted by: Mavtek3100
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/ho...oney/article709921.ece

THE London stockmarket was in freefall today plumetting 5.5 per cent - the biggest fall since 9/11 terror attacks.

The FTSE 100 Index tumbled almost six per cent at one point - a fall not seen since the 9/11 terror attacks in 2001 - as fears over the health of the world's biggest economy swept through markets across the globe.

Although traders' nerves steadied later to recoup the worst of the losses, the Footsie was still down by more than three per cent, or 186.2 points, to 5715.5 by mid session.

The fall came as Asian markets tumbled overnight following losses for the Dow Jones Industrial Average on Friday, when investors were left unimpressed by the US Government's tax-relief plans to spur on the economy.

Heavily-weighted banking and mining stocks dragged the Footsie lower as concerns over a slowdown gathered pace. HSBC and Royal Bank of Scotland - both with heavy exposure to the US economy - each saw shares lose four per cent, falling 30.5p to 730p and 13.75p to 359.25p respectively.

Strangely I thought the international markets would fair ok, I was moving my money to international funds to stem this thing. Needless to say I'm going to move to CD's or guaranteed income. Yikes the international markets reacted this way, how is our market going to react tomorrow?

International markets crahsed on Black Monday also...not just the DJ. Hong Kong dumped almost 50% that day.

Come ooonnnnnnnn DJ go to under 10k!!!!
 

alchemize

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Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Time to move the 401k into bonds till the shock subsides.

Yes, please! ;)

(Buying a new house in a few months, would like all time low mortgage rate)
 

Mavtek3100

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Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Time to move the 401k into bonds till the shock subsides.

Yes, please! ;)

(Buying a new house in a few months, would like all time low mortgage rate)

I'd wait till summer for sure. Property market is about to deflate, but you might have a tough time getting a loan.
 

blackangst1

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Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Time to move the 401k into bonds till the shock subsides.

US debt market isnt so hot right now...if I were you I would look at precious metal funds (not just gold). There are dozens that grew more than 20% last year...
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Time to move the 401k into bonds till the shock subsides.

US debt market isnt so hot right now...if I were you I would look at precious metal funds (not just gold). There are dozens that grew more than 20% last year...

My 401k plans absolutely suck. The choices I'm given suck. The only good thing is company matching, which is why I bother at all.
 

alchemize

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Originally posted by: Mavtek3100
Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Time to move the 401k into bonds till the shock subsides.

Yes, please! ;)

(Buying a new house in a few months, would like all time low mortgage rate)

I'd wait till summer for sure. Property market is about to deflate, but you might have a tough time getting a loan.

Nah, this is my 3rd house. I'm old school - 20% down. Hopefully I can find a panicked buyer/home builder ;)
 

blackangst1

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Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Time to move the 401k into bonds till the shock subsides.

US debt market isnt so hot right now...if I were you I would look at precious metal funds (not just gold). There are dozens that grew more than 20% last year...

My 401k plans absolutely suck. The choices I'm given suck. The only good thing is company matching, which is why I bother at all.

Matching is a good thing. Depending on your's and the co's contributions, it's a 50-100% INSTANT return. That's not so bad :)
 

manowar821

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Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Time to move the 401k into bonds till the shock subsides.

US debt market isnt so hot right now...if I were you I would look at precious metal funds (not just gold). There are dozens that grew more than 20% last year...

My 401k plans absolutely suck. The choices I'm given suck. The only good thing is company matching, which is why I bother at all.

Same here...
 

palehorse

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Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Time to move the 401k into bonds till the shock subsides.

Yes, please! ;)

(Buying a new house in a few months, would like all time low mortgage rate)
I'm looking to re-fi my current 6.375 soon... 5.25 would be great -- especially if I can find someone to do it for 1/2 pt, or less! maybe... we'll see!

/fingers crossed

WooT!
 

palehorse

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Originally posted by: Mavtek3100
When the economy tanks it's interesting to see some come out to cheer.........

Scary.
It's called 'looking on the bright side of life'... I learned it from Monty Python!

Then again, anyone with half a clue will also tell you that drastic downturns in the economy can be just as lucrative as upswings IF you know what you're doing.

Most of us non-bots also recognize recessions as a healthy and natural cyclical occurrence in our markets, so we're probably not as nervous as you'all...
 

StageLeft

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I was moving my money to international funds to stem this thing.

Haha. I did too, actually. Moved 50% to foreign some months ago when the dollar started to die. Oh well, at least their currencies aren't in the sh*ter...
 

blackangst1

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Originally posted by: Mavtek3100
When the economy tanks it's interesting to see some come out to cheer.........

Scary.

It's not the end of the fucking world man. Nor is it the collapse of the USA. It's part of the economy.

Let me ask you this. We are taught with houses and stocks to buy low and sell high...right? Why is it people like you get all up in arms when there's actually a chance to do that? Can you explain it to me? Part of the reason my handful of shares of yahoo are up over 500% is I bought low...in the market crash earlier this decade...at $24/share...theyre now over $500. Explain to me why buying low and selling high is a bad thing....
 

palehorse

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Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: Mavtek3100
When the economy tanks it's interesting to see some come out to cheer.........

Scary.

It's not the end of the fucking world man. Nor is it the collapse of the USA. It's part of the economy.

Let me ask you this. We are taught with houses and stocks to buy low and sell high...right? Why is it people like you get all up in arms when there's actually a chance to do that? Can you explain it to me? Part of the reason my handful of shares of yahoo are up over 500% is I bought low...in the market crash earlier this decade...at $24/share...theyre now over $500. Explain to me why buying low and selling high is a bad thing....

careful... without the "End of the World" logic, ronbots will begin to malfunction when they realize that everything might work out on its own without having to institute 50 dramatic "fixes" immediately.

you're about to give him a BSOD...
 

blackangst1

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Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: Mavtek3100
When the economy tanks it's interesting to see some come out to cheer.........

Scary.

It's not the end of the fucking world man. Nor is it the collapse of the USA. It's part of the economy.

Let me ask you this. We are taught with houses and stocks to buy low and sell high...right? Why is it people like you get all up in arms when there's actually a chance to do that? Can you explain it to me? Part of the reason my handful of shares of yahoo are up over 500% is I bought low...in the market crash earlier this decade...at $24/share...theyre now over $500. Explain to me why buying low and selling high is a bad thing....

careful... without the "End of the World" logic, ronbots will begin to malfunction when they realize that everything might work out on its own without having to institute 50 dramatic "fixes" immediately.

you're about to give him a BSOD...

:laugh:
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: Mavtek3100
When the economy tanks it's interesting to see some come out to cheer.........

Scary.
It's called 'looking on the bright side of life'... I learned it from Monty Python!

Then again, anyone with half a clue will also tell you that drastic downturns in the economy can be just as lucrative as upswings IF you know what you're doing and are among the few who have enough capital to exploit the situation and aren't locked into investments linked to the economy.

Most of us non-bots also recognize recessions as a healthy and natural cyclical occurrence in our markets, so we're probably not as nervous as you'all...

Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

48 years ago, there was a debate in the US, with the republicans arguing that recessions were cyclical, and could not be avoided, and JFK argued they could be much reduced with government activity to stimulate the economy at the right times. It was widely considered JFK was proven right when he accelerated billions of planned spending, and the universally predicted recession didn't arrive.

I'm not saying it's that simple that all recessions are just Republican laziness and ignorance not to prevent them, but I am saying that cliches and platitudes like the above are harmful.

I'll quote JFK again:

The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie -- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic.
- JFK
 

Mavtek3100

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True I don't understand the boom/busts as it's not exactly something that seem to resonate in a "free market".
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: Mavtek3100
When the economy tanks it's interesting to see some come out to cheer.........

Scary.
It's called 'looking on the bright side of life'... I learned it from Monty Python!

Then again, anyone with half a clue will also tell you that drastic downturns in the economy can be just as lucrative as upswings IF you know what you're doing.

Most of us non-bots also recognize recessions as a healthy and natural cyclical occurrence in our markets, so we're probably not as nervous as you'all...

Well I think a lot of people have other reasons to be nervous. If your short term financial planning is based on the performance of the market, a temporary recession can still screw you over. Sure, my retirement account may be down a little bit...but I'm only 24 years old, a short term recession isn't going to hurt me in the long run. But then again, I don't make my money trying to play the market, and a temporary downturn isn't going to force me to foreclose on my house or rob me of my stock trading income (a statistically ridiculous practice). Recessions are a natural part of the economy, but a rather large number of people seem to base their financial future on the wager than they are not.