**OFFICIAL** Why France sucks!

France is for homo's.

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: freegeeks
It's funny how the Bush lovers look at history

The USA has vetoed 35 UN resolutions about Israël. France has used its veto 5 times to protect French interests Who has destroyed the credibility of the UN the last 30 years??

The US, together with other western countries provided Saddam with his chemical and biological weapons. There is a good documentary about it ("When Saddam was our friend"). It's funny to see the export papers (with a big stamp -- approved by US govt) for biological grow cultures. It seems like the american posterboys have banned the actions from the american govt. in the 80's from their collective memory.

And the funniest thing right now is how the american media is reporting about anti-americanism in Europe. The next item in the news are some dumbasses who are throwing away french wine and your american politicans who are doing their patriotic duty by eating freedom fries and freedom toast. Bunch of hypocrits.

So are you saying that because in the past the US supported Saddam in his war against Iraq that it should now ignore everything he does?

Phocas, quiet boy, there are adults trying to have a discussion here.

 

[freegeeks]

So are you saying that because in the past the US supported Saddam in his war against Iraq that it should now ignore everything he does?

Phocas, quiet boy, there are adults trying to have a discussion here.

Etech

I'm convinced that Saddam is a madman. I hope he dies a slow and painfull dead.

But I have a big problem how the Bush administration is handling this whole situation. All the credibility and sympathy that the USA had just after 9/11is gone. It's gone because of the actions of your own govt. I can not stand that the US govt has threatened european countries (your allies btw) because of their support for the International Crime Court. It that the way you do foreign policy?? Threatening your most loyal allies because they have a different opinion ?? I don't know what the general american public thinks of this is but I can assure you that in Europe we were shocked when we heard about that.

America is pretending as if they want to liberate the "Iraqi" people. The american media is reporting this as if the US is there to bring democracy. They are almost pretending like this is a frigging 21st century crusade. Let me point out a few things. I hope we can agree on one thing. France is acting to protect its interests. The USA are in the gulf for the same thing and geopolitical reasons. This is not a "human rights" issue. The west is spending billions and sending 200.000+ troops to the region for one thing. Influence in the most strategical important region in the world. I don't see american troops in Rwanda, Nigeria, ... to restore democracy. People who are saying that oil has nothing to do with it needs brain surgery and is naive like hell (note: I don't say that oil is the sole reason but it is an important one -- there are also reasons such as the influence that the euro is gaining in the OPEC kartel and the US-Saudi-Arabia relations). France is fighting for influence just like the US and they are using the means that are the most suited to them (the veto, etc..) . Don't be hypocrits about that. The USA does not like the influence that France has in Iraq. They rather see a pro-US govt and not a pro-france govt.

The NATO soap
A few weeks back there were long threads about the resistance of France, Belgium, Germany about the NATO support for Turkey. American politicians were giving interviews that Turkey was in imminent danger and needed support. Well we can all see how in danger Turkey is. They are refusing the support of 60.000+ American troops and a 30 billion bribe because they are in danger

. Yeah right. Look up my opinions about that in the threads. From the beginning I was saying that this had nothing to with Turkey being in danger. Politics is the keyword in this whole vaudeville. The USA had a lot of resistance in the UN. The next logical step was trying to involve the European countries by USING NATO. Saddam may be a madman but he is not dumb. He knows when he attacks Turkey that the European NATO member states would be there in instance (FRANCE included). I guess they don't show the official speeches of Chiraq in the american media. Together with Schröder he made it clear that Saddam better not tried to attack Turkey because the French response would be swift. The US media seem to be very selective about what they show and what they translate (see one of the above post about the French veto).

The Powell evidence show before the UN (btw I have great respect for Powell)

Mr Powell "We are sure that Iraq has mobile chemical laboratories mounted on lorries".
Evidence: a 3D studio model --- I'm sorry but what was that ???? It looked like an unit used in C & C. Is this the best the CIA can do. An artistical 3D rendered impression of a truck.

Mr Powell: "On this piece of footage you can see a Mirage F1 with the ability to use chemical and biological agents".
This video was even from before the first gulf war. We all knew that Irag had that. This was no secret. He used these weapons in the 80's against his own people. I don't get it. Powell was using footage that was 14 years old -- was well known (I had seen that video years ago) -- to prove that Iraq has WMD today.

Mr Powell: "here you have pics of bunkers where biological and chemical agents are stored."
I did not know that the spying abilities of the US have detoriated in the last 40 years. On the pics made by U2's during the Cuba crisis you could clearly see the missiles and the launching platforms. Powell presented pics with building or bunkers encircled with yellow and red marker to prove that there were WMD in there.

Mr Powell:"I would also refer to the fine paper from Great-Britain about Iraq -- a paper prepared by the British intelligence services.
A couple days later we all heard that this "fine paper" made by MI6 was a copy from a transcription made by a student in the beginning of the 90's. They just copied 15 pages from that guys work in their "Top Secret" document with spelling errors and everything. I can already see the job requirements for MI6: Excellent Google skills (How To use Boolean descriptors) and excellent Copy / Paste skills (especially keyboard shortcuts).

And now we also have the forgery of the Uranium documents. Instead of questioning the French you better start in your own country and question the efficiency of your own intelligence services or the hidden agenda of the Bush administration.

The only credible evidence was the conversation between the Iraqi officers. If you should present the other "evidence" before a civil court the judge probably would have a good laugh. I bet even Powell felt ashamed to present this before the security council.

The French and the Americans are both proud and patriotic people. You are both convinced that God is on your side and that the equator runs through your collective a$$es.

Volia -- my opinion -- flame away

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: freegeeks



The French and the Americans are both proud and patriotic people. You are both convinced that God is on your side and that the equator runs through your collective a$$es.

Volia -- my opinion -- flame away

Yeah but we change our underware on a daily basis and the French are lucky to bath once a week!

By the way, is it spelled Flemish or Phlegmish?

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: freegeeks



The French and the Americans are both proud and patriotic people. You are both convinced that God is on your side and that the equator runs through your collective a$$es.

Volia -- my opinion -- flame away

Yeah but we change our underware on a daily basis and the French are lucky to bath once a week!

By the way, is it spelled Flemish or Phlegmish?

LOL -- you forgot the snails and the hairy armpits

It's Flemish but I'm not sure (see my sigh about my English language skills -- I know they suck so for spelling advice you better not ask me to much)

btw Red I just noticed that we almost joined the same date but you have 14000 post more then me

 

Phocas, quiet boy, there are adults trying to have a discussion here.

Ya, quite a "discussion" you are having, a$$.

 

[render]

America is pretending as if they want to liberate the "Iraqi" people. The american media is reporting this as if the US is there to bring democracy. They are almost pretending like this is a frigging 21st century crusade. Let me point out a few things. I hope we can agree on one thing. France is acting to protect its interests. The USA are in the gulf for the same thing and geopolitical reasons. This is not a "human rights" issue. The west is spending billions and sending 200.000+ troops to the region for one thing. Influence in the most strategical important region in the world. I don't see american troops in Rwanda, Nigeria, ... to restore democracy. People who are saying that oil has nothing to do with it needs brain surgery and is naive like hell (note: I don't say that oil is the sole reason but it is an important one -- there are also reasons such as the influence that the euro is gaining in the OPEC kartel and the US-Saudi-Arabia relations). France is fighting for influence just like the US and they are using the means that are the most suited to them (the veto, etc..) . Don't be hypocrits about that. The USA does not like the influence that France has in Iraq. They rather see a pro-US govt and not a pro-france govt.

I read an article saying the same thing as you stated. Quite true.

 

[Siddhartha]

Didn't the US arm Iraq while it was fighting Iran?

 

[Kelemvor]

Ya know, the thing I don't unserstand is this:

All the people that don't want war, want to continually give Iraq mroe and more time to disarm. It's been what, 10 years since we first stared pushing for Iraq to disarm? If it hasn't happened yet, what makes them think that another week or another month will make any difference?

Since they've pretty much proven that Iraq has the weapons they aren't supposed to (from the UN's previous agreements) and they aren't getting rid of them, they must have a plan to use them. All that happens with "give them more time" is that they get more time to prepare themselves to USE the weapons. And that's exactly what we don't want.

This isn't a time to be REactive (because millions of people would be dead) but to be PROactive to try to stop Iraq from amassing and eventually using the weapons.

It's not that I want to go to war, but I don't see any other option.