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Retro Rob

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Looks like NFL defenses have adjusted to or are adjusting to both Kaep an RGIII.

Btw, where has Vernon Davis been? Is he the new invisible man?
 

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Seattle defense is looking good again. If they keep it up they should do well in the playoffs... and I was thinking they couldn't get their shit together
 

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Put in an appearance at two T-Day dinners, the second a group one at my church. Then declined two other invites to watch the first hour plus of the Eagles game at my friend Nancy's house, then off to Staples for their $99 Asus netbook (sweet), then home to watch the rest of the Eagles game on DVR, since Nancy has cable but no DVR function.

Dem Iggles started out like a house on fire, simply imposing their will on the 'Boys on both sides of the ball. VERY surprising to me. The Birds contained both Murray and Dez Bryant, which was beyond awesome, and Sanchez was turnover free, another key.

The Eagles got pressure on Romo all day long, and he responded with two picks, a bunch of bad throws, 4 sacks, and a ton of hurries. Eagle DB's had some great coverage moments, including inducing coverage sacks, and the front 7 faced up to Demarco Murray and won that battle the entire game.

The whole thing was as surprising as it was awesome. Pressure on the QB was key. The Birds even survived a lost fumble by Shady deep in their own territory by making a stand that kept the Boys to a field goal.

Dallas will come into Philly in a couple of weeks dangerous like a wounded bear, I'm sure. Historically, it's been really hard to win both games against an NFC East opponent -- although not as much lately -- but the Eagles really control their destiny from here on out.

Did I mention that the O-line gave Shady the kind of holes that let him get into space, where Shady gets to be Shady? So sweet. :wub:

Once the run game was established, Chip had Sanchez rolling out on play-action fakes -- even the usually savvy cameramen were faked out a couple of times -- and mostly eschewing the kind of long throws which get JetBoyBlue in trouble.

What a fine T-Day! I had too much turkey, and the Eagles gobbled up the one put in front of them, too, saving the stuffing for the Boys.
 

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Looks like NFL defenses have adjusted to or are adjusting to both Kaep an RGIII.

Btw, where has Vernon Davis been? Is he the new invisible man?

I asked my friend the same thing. I think he slept with Kaep's girlfriend or something and now is getting rejected on the field.
 

jpiniero

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Dallas is contractually obligated to go 8-8, so the Eagles winning wasn't a surprise.

Megatron's problem was that he was being covered by Peterson and then Revis the two previous games.
 

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So, apparently, if you're a QB and you duck your head to the level of your chest when you're about to get hit, it is a penalty...

Dallas being Dallas though. =(

See some of the PI non-calls? That's on both Dallas and Eagles so I'm not picking on anyone but the shitty officiating. You literally see the defenders with a fistful of jersey and no calls were made.

Regarding the actual game.

The thing is, I didn't think Dallas defense was that good but for whatever reason, they were playing well above their talent level. Give them credit for that. The only "offensive powerhouse" that they played was New Orleans and they totally creamed NO. I think you did see some signs of it with Dallas giving up 31 to St. Louis and in the 20's in both games to NY Giants. But overall, Dallas cannot really complain about the play of their defense all year.

Eagles are looking good. The most important thing is they are not shooting themselves in the foot. Eagles able to get huge yardage and move efficiently but Red Zone offense for the Eagles stink and that's a major concern. It's like Chip Kelley turns into Andy Reid at the goal line or something.

What lost the game for Dallas is on offense. This is strange here considering how efficiently Dallas has been playing. Eagles defense played great but let's be honest here, Eagles defense sucks. The fact that they contained Dallas's offense was amazing.

Final note. Dallas coaching got exposed IMO. I've never been a Garrett fan. I think he stinks as a coach as is part of the reason Dallas has been so mediocre in recent years. Hope he stays coach there with Jerrah as the owner forever.

I mean, you're down by 3 scores. Yes, you're on your deep on your own side but it's the 4th quarter with about 7 minutes left in the game and it's 4th and about 3 or 4. You don't go for it? Saw Romo was pissed at not going for it and I agree with him. Do you get brownie points for losing by 23 as opposed to 33? You're down 3 scores (assuming a few 2pt conversions)! If you weren't going to go for it, you were basically conceding the game. If you're conceding the game you gotta take Romo out of the rest of the game which they didn't do.

Also, Green Bay exposed the Eagles defense and you can't exploit it? Seriously?

Craptastic coaching job Dallas.

...Once the run game was established, Chip had Sanchez rolling out on play-action fakes -- even the usually savvy cameramen were faked out a couple of times -- and mostly eschewing the kind of long throws which get JetBoyBlue in trouble.

What a fine T-Day! I had too much turkey, and the Eagles gobbled up the one put in front of them, too, saving the stuffing for the Boys.

The only thing is the red zone offense bogging down. There was that sweet play where Sanchez fakes the handoff, pump fakes, everyone on the Dallas defense was sold, we had a wide open TD on the right side...and Sanchez overthrows it. WTF? And twice we run in 2 times, incomplete pass, and FG time. WTF? Can't keep settling for FG's.

And Eagles are effectively 1.5 games ahead of Dallas at this point because we currently win any tie-breakers. All we have to do is beat up Washington (winnable), Giants (winnable), and Dallas (winnable) and we're in the playoffs. Guaranteed.


As for the other games.

Chicago. Wow, Jay Cuntler. You suck. Seriously, wtf was management thinking giving you that huge contract? Detroit tried to give the game away early on. Chicago just stunk it up. And keep in mind I'm not a Stafford or Lions fan. Think Stafford is overrated as a QB because of the cannon he has for an arm. He's got great wide receivers and a damned good defense and he hasn't really done anything with it. Lions fans must be sick of him wasting the talents of Megatron and Suh. Suh is a dirty player but you gotta admit he's a great defensive presence.

San Francisco. I always thought Kaepernick was overrated but seriously, wtf is he doing? SF probably wishes they have Alex Smith back. Kaepernick has been bad this year. Watched him against the Eagles and it was more the Eagles stinking on offense and shooting themselves in the foot than Kaepernick and SF beating up the Eagles. And with zero offensive TD's scored the Eagles still almost beat SF. Considering the way SF structured his contract, if Kaepernick stinks it up next year, I think he's done.
 

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See some of the PI non-calls? That's on both Dallas and Eagles so I'm not picking on anyone but the shitty officiating. You literally see the defenders with a fistful of jersey and no calls were made.

Regarding the actual game.

The thing is, I didn't think Dallas defense was that good but for whatever reason, they were playing well above their talent level. Give them credit for that. The only "offensive powerhouse" that they played was New Orleans and they totally creamed NO. I think you did see some signs of it with Dallas giving up 31 to St. Louis and in the 20's in both games to NY Giants. But overall, Dallas cannot really complain about the play of their defense all year.

Eagles are looking good. The most important thing is they are not shooting themselves in the foot. Eagles able to get huge yardage and move efficiently but Red Zone offense for the Eagles stink and that's a major concern. It's like Chip Kelley turns into Andy Reid at the goal line or something.

What lost the game for Dallas is on offense. This is strange here considering how efficiently Dallas has been playing. Eagles defense played great but let's be honest here, Eagles defense sucks. The fact that they contained Dallas's offense was amazing.

Final note. Dallas coaching got exposed IMO. I've never been a Garrett fan. I think he stinks as a coach as is part of the reason Dallas has been so mediocre in recent years. Hope he stays coach there with Jerrah as the owner forever.

I mean, you're down by 3 scores. Yes, you're on your deep on your own side but it's the 4th quarter with about 7 minutes left in the game and it's 4th and about 3 or 4. You don't go for it? Saw Romo was pissed at not going for it and I agree with him. Do you get brownie points for losing by 23 as opposed to 33? You're down 3 scores (assuming a few 2pt conversions)! If you weren't going to go for it, you were basically conceding the game. If you're conceding the game you gotta take Romo out of the rest of the game which they didn't do.

Also, Green Bay exposed the Eagles defense and you can't exploit it? Seriously?

Craptastic coaching job Dallas.



The only thing is the red zone offense bogging down. There was that sweet play where Sanchez fakes the handoff, pump fakes, everyone on the Dallas defense was sold, we had a wide open TD on the right side...and Sanchez overthrows it. WTF? And twice we run in 2 times, incomplete pass, and FG time. WTF? Can't keep settling for FG's.

And Eagles are effectively 1.5 games ahead of Dallas at this point because we currently win any tie-breakers. All we have to do is beat up Washington (winnable), Giants (winnable), and Dallas (winnable) and we're in the playoffs. Guaranteed.
I agree with the bad officiating. There were quite a few missed calls on both sides, I just don't like the ones that hurt Dallas. >_>

Dallas' D played well in the red zone, but I think that was only because their secondary couldn't get exposed as bad. Philly was struggling in the red zone, despite being dominant everywhere else. I fear for them against Seattle though. Dallas kind of caught Seattle sleeping, or in a slump, or something, but they have snapped out of that.

Dallas' O really was at the mercy of Philly's D (which is surprising). I believe Romo is hiding his back injury, or at least, hiding how bad it really is. He is avoiding hits. Any time there is pressure, he is falling. Romo pre-Washington would attempt to avoid a sack and try and make a play. Eagles did a great job getting pressure on him, and it really shows how skittish he has become. He even decided against running for a clear 10 or so yards, opting to force a throw. When he has a lot of time in a nice pocket, he is doing great, but if a guy gets through, he is folding. Not that I disagree so much with the decision. This game was important, but risking injury for the sake of winning in your first real chance at a playoff birth in awhile is silly. Dallas should beat Chicago and Washington, and if they manage a road win in Philly, this game isn't as meaningful. I fully expect them to lose to the Colts though. =(
 

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Eagles defense played great but let's be honest here, Eagles defense sucks. The fact that they contained Dallas's offense was amazing.
It was amazing. I really thought a hot Romo, playing off a strong run game with DeMarco, would, sooner or later, shred the Eagles DB's with some long scores/completions.

But I have to quibble. The Eagles D doesn't totally suck. They play the run pretty damn well. And when they get pressure on the QB, as they have lately, it helps to not expose their secondary as much.

That they can play the run so stoutly is because Chip, that riverboat gambler, makes his not so great DB's play man coverage mostly. When it works, it works, but when it breaks down . . .

I mean, you're down by 3 scores. Yes, you're on your deep on your own side but it's the 4th quarter with about 7 minutes left in the game and it's 4th and about 3 or 4. You don't go for it?

With them then not taking Romo out of the game, THAT was a total head scratcher. I'd really like to hear a clip of Garrett explaining his thinking there.

Saw Romo was pissed at not going for it and I agree with him.

There was a lot of sideline drama on both sides. Early on, they showed Bryant going down the line of the Boys on the bench, screaming "encouragement?" in their faces. PED eloquence? :cool:

Then there were the shots of a totally pissed Whiten on the sidelines, more than once, after Romo failed to get the ball to him.

But the funniest was Sanchez calling a late time out and then looking openly disgusted as he jawed, on the field, with Riley Cooper because, so it seemed , Cooper wasn't in position -- although a later shot of Cooper pleading his case with a sideline coach seemed to indicate that maybe Cooper wasn't in the wrong . . . if I was reading the conciliatory/acquiescing look on that coach's face correctly.

Also, Green Bay exposed the Eagles defense and you can't exploit it? Seriously?

^^^ Why I though Romo and the Boys would pretty much stomp the Eagles.

The only thing is the red zone offense bogging down. [...] And twice we run in 2 times, incomplete pass, and FG time. WTF?

Shady is simply not a short yardage, straight up the gut runner. And Kelce is wonderful and athletic as a center who can pull, but is also simply not big or strong enough to prevail in those same, up the gut situations. Then it's third down and everyone in the house knows Sanchez is going to throw, and, whatever else he is, Peyton Manning, he's not.
 
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Perknose

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I believe Romo is hiding his back injury, or at least, hiding how bad it really is. He is avoiding hits. Any time there is pressure, he is falling.

I believe you are 100% correct, and that this had a great impact on the game.

... if they manage a road win in Philly, this game isn't as meaningful.

Should be an interesting game. Seriously, if Romo plays better, the outcome could be dramatically different from this game. The Cowboys most certainly have the pieces to win.
 
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that red zone offense is atrocious though.

Just remember they played Arizona last week, and 49ers this week. Red zone offenses don't look good against those defenses.

EDIT: DOH!, you were probably talking about the Eagles.
 
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...<snip>...This game was important, but risking injury for the sake of winning in your first real chance at a playoff birth in awhile is silly. Dallas should beat Chicago and Washington, and if they manage a road win in Philly, this game isn't as meaningful. I fully expect them to lose to the Colts though. =(

I think this game was extremely important.

Philly holds the lead in head-to-head pending a second game. Best Dallas can do is even out this tie-breaker. Advantage Philly.

Philly holds the lead in division wins and losses. Philly has played one less divisional game but where Dallas has lost two division games, Philly has not lost any. Advantage Philly.

Against common opponents, Dallas is 8-2 with 2 games pending.
Against common opponents, Philly is 7-2 with 3 games pending.
Advantage Dallas.

Assuming Dallas is tied with Philadelphia at the end of the season, the first tie-breaker is head-to-head. Dallas now needs a Philadelphia win for that to be nullified. So they absolutely NEED to beat Philadelphia in two weeks. Philly wants to win that second game but they don't need to win.

The second tie-breaker is division record, and currently Philadelphia is spotless while Dallas has the Washington and Philadelphia losses. Now Dallas has to hope Philly loses to at least Washington or NY and still beat Philly in order to win/nullify the second tie-breaker. Basically, Dallas has to hope Philly screws up but Dallas cannot directly affect the outcome.

In the third tie-breaker which is common opponents, Dallas does have a slight edge but again, they have to hope Philly screws up. No real advantage either way at the moment.

Fourth tie-breaker is conference record. Dallas is 5-4 and Philly is 5-3. Similar to tie-breaker 3, no real advantage either way at the moment.
 

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^NYG could beat Philly. They shouldn't, but the Eli isn't throwing picks, they have a chance. Washington is pretty much done, but who knows. They did a lot of free and delaying blitzing on the Cowboys. That could work against Philly as well. Sproles and McCoy aren't exactly known for their blocking.

Eagles also have the Seahawks up next, which is a conference game and could easily be another loss. Philly's schedule is tougher than Dallas' at the moment, simply due to the Seahawks being NFC and the Colts being AFC. And, with how the schedule is set up, if Philly loses next week and Dallas wins, that next week is going to be extremely important for both teams. That NYG game at the end of the year, could end up being the difference between the NFC East title and a wildcard spot.

Those wildcard spots are really up for grabs, and I'd give Dallas (or Philly) a much better chance than Seattle. Detroit's is about the same, but it could come down between them and GB for the division. They have three mediocre teams to beat and GB has to beat NE to stay 1 game head (which I'd give 50/50) and has Buffalo who can be dangerous before Detroit.
 

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I think Thursday pretty much ended the 49ers playoff chances unless they can somehow win in Seattle in two weeks. It's probably going to get really ugly now.
 
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I think Thursday pretty much ended the 49ers playoff chances unless they can somehow win in Seattle in two weeks. It's probably going to get really ugly now.

Next week's games can go towards evening the matchup. Seattle has to play Eagles in Philly and SF gets Oak. Seattle losing and SF winning sets up the rematch the following week for who can get to the playoffs. Regardless, I hope neither makes it and AZ holds on.
 

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I agree with the bad officiating. There were quite a few missed calls on both sides, I just don't like the ones that hurt Dallas. >_>

Dallas' D played well in the red zone, but I think that was only because their secondary couldn't get exposed as bad. Philly was struggling in the red zone, despite being dominant everywhere else. I fear for them against Seattle though. Dallas kind of caught Seattle sleeping, or in a slump, or something, but they have snapped out of that.

Dallas' O really was at the mercy of Philly's D (which is surprising). I believe Romo is hiding his back injury, or at least, hiding how bad it really is. He is avoiding hits. Any time there is pressure, he is falling. Romo pre-Washington would attempt to avoid a sack and try and make a play. Eagles did a great job getting pressure on him, and it really shows how skittish he has become. He even decided against running for a clear 10 or so yards, opting to force a throw. When he has a lot of time in a nice pocket, he is doing great, but if a guy gets through, he is folding. Not that I disagree so much with the decision. This game was important, but risking injury for the sake of winning in your first real chance at a playoff birth in awhile is silly. Dallas should beat Chicago and Washington, and if they manage a road win in Philly, this game isn't as meaningful. I fully expect them to lose to the Colts though. =(

I think the announcers said at the start of the game the officiating crew calls the fewest penalties out of all 17 crews. It did seem they allowed more grabbing and such than you normally see. Honestly, I preferred this looser officiating vs. some of the ticky tack crews. I also assume the teams keep track of this stuff and brief their players before the game.

I agree Romo is hurt - the way he was moving, avoiding hits - he's got to be hurting a lot as he's always been a pretty tough guy. But when your alternative is Weeden, I guess you have to stick with Tony unless he can't play.

The Packers O caught the Eagles at their peak and healthy Rodgers >>>>> hurt Romo. The only chance the Eagles have vs. a top offense is to get pressure up front. They failed miserably vs the Packers and succeeded against the Cowboys. I honestly didn't expect that considering how dominant the Boys O line has been.

All in all - the Eagles exceeded my wildest expectations on Thanksgiving - making me a very happy guy. But the team is clearly flawed and Sanchez still had a couple really bad moments under pressure - holding on way too long and missing guys. I don't think there's any reason to have confidence in him to win a game on his own - I never want him to need to march the offense down the field with under a minute to go. He'll do fine with a well balanced attack and plenty of play action, but he's still like a lesser version of Foles. With the improvement in the running game, I think Nick would be doing just as well.
 
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All in all - the Eagles exceeded my wildest expectations on Thanksgiving - making me a very happy guy. But the team is clearly flawed and Sanchez still had a couple really bad moments under pressure - holding on way too long and missing guys. I don't think there's any reason to have confidence in him to win a game on his own - I never want him to need to march the offense down the field with under a minute to go. He'll do fine with a well balanced attack and plenty of play action, but he's still like a lesser version of Foles. With the improvement in the running game, I think Nick would be doing just as well.

+1
 

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The Thanksgiving games were essentially make NE vs GB a national game. At least 5 potentially great games this week.

Philadelphia at Dallas 4:30 FOX
Seattle at San Francisco 8:30 NBC
New Orleans at Pittsburgh 1:00 FOX
New England at Green Bay 4:25 CBS
Denver at Kansas City 8:30 NBC

Yep, I'm gonna check and hope like hell it's on TV around here, (FL), we are 90 miles from Jacksonville so per NFL policy the local CBS station HAS to show all their road games, Fox HAS to cover all the Buc road games. Neither team ever sells out a home game so thank god we get something else when they are @ home. It will be interesting to see if BB can scheme up something to keep Rodgers from scoring ton's of points early as has been doing, Although GB's run D is ranked low I get the feeling that they will be stoked playing at home in this hyped-up game and the Pat's will run and get some output but I don't expect a repeat of the Indy game at all. Question marks remain as to the health of Brandon Lafelle and Ben Vareen, if either (or both) are not able to play it will take away two of NE's biggest threats.

EDIT: Just checked, fuck yea! it's on here!, the thought of watching a great match-up like this on a "23 monitor with a low-res stream had me bummed!..
 
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Any ideas what teams will pick up Ray Rice, if any, this season? I could see the Colts really using him. Maybe Denver.
 

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Any ideas what teams will pick up Ray Rice, if any, this season? I could see the Colts really using him. Maybe Denver.


I can see Atlanta in the mix maybe. They have no running game right now and are currently in the lead in the south. They have had come close games where a running game could take the load off of Ryan. Won't fix their awful defense but better than nothing.


That and Peterson might be back in the open field soon as well.
 

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Any ideas what teams will pick up Ray Rice, if any, this season? I could see the Colts really using him. Maybe Denver.

No doubt that Rice can still play at a high level and help an offense but the question is does any GM want the baggage that would come with hiring him?.