*OFFICIAL Week 10 NFL Thread* RG being water-boarded at Gitmo

[Perknose]

You can't understand the no lunging, off the ground, at the knees of a QB though? That is incredibly dangerous, as you are going directly at the knees. The fact that it took Brady being sidelined isn't Brady's fault.

Agreed. And I'm one of those "Jelly @ Brady" boyz. :awe:

 

[Retro Rob]

You can't understand the no lunging, off the ground, at the knees of a QB though? That is incredibly dangerous, as you are going directly at the knees. The fact that it took Brady being sidelined isn't Brady's fault.

Are you OK with how Gronk got his knee shattered last season?

 

[smackababy]

Are you OK with how Gronk got his knee shattered last season?

Am I okay with the NFL requiring defensive players to tackle low? In short, yes. The alternative to the tackles that caused Gronk's injury are allowing the defenders to hit him high. The dangers of blowing out a knee are far less than the dangers of a head or neck injury. Ask any guy who had to leave the league due to head / neck injury vs those who had to leave due to knee. Terrell Davis can still walk, for instance. Sure, his what would have been spectacular career was cut drastically short, but compared to players who can barely function, he is extremely lucky. Yeah, it sucks when guys get injured, but for reasons of safety, hitting low is better. The issue with the QB is they are not in positions where a big his ever requires them to be brought down. There is no reason for a lunge at the knees on a QB standing in the pocket. A hit on a turning 280lb TE requires more force to bring them down. And that force can go to their head or their knee. Which do you think is actually safer?

 

[Perknose]

Are you OK with how Gronk got his knee shattered last season?

I think the whole regulatory effort to protect these young men from unnecessary injury is a work in progress.

And I think what makes this effort difficult is the obvious disconnect between the primal violence and manly man culture of the game . . . and our general 21st century enlightenment as to how humans, no matter how highly paid, should be treated.

 

[smackababy]

I think the whole regulatory effort to protect these young men from unnecessary injury is a work in progress.

And I think what makes this effort difficult is the obvious disconnect between the primal violence and manly man culture of the game . . . and our general 21st century enlightenment as to how humans, no matter how highly paid, should be treated.

There has to be a trade off at some point. Injuries can't be avoided altogether unless we give them some kind of armor suits, at which point we might as well be watching F1 racing. The NFL is making the trade off for lower body injury which has a much less significant impact later on in life than head / neck injury.

 

[Retro Rob]

I think the whole regulatory effort to protect these young men from unnecessary injury is a work in progress.

And I think what makes this effort difficult is the obvious disconnect between the primal violence and manly man culture of the game . . . and our general 21st century enlightenment as to how humans, no matter how highly paid, should be treated.

Indeed, but the point I wanted to make to smack was that I don't think the NFL is worried about players who put butts in seats -- all they care about is quaterbacks, namely, Brady and Manning.

Case in point, 3 players sidelined that "put butts in seats":

Gronk - last year, dude torpedo'd right at his knees, ending his year.

Megatron - usually gets hit low too, re injured the ankle after a low hit in the Jets game. Missed 4 weeks.

Dustin Keller (not as good as the above) - ACL, MCL, PCL, and dislocated knee all in one hit from Texans DB that said because of the concussion rules, he's gonna "hit low", or something to the affect of taking knees out, blaming it on the NFL rules.

If they cared so much, they'd outlaw all torpedo shots, even low ones.

 

[Perknose]

Indeed, but the point I wanted to make to smack was that I don't think the NFL is worried about players who put butts in seats -- all they care about is quaterbacks, namely, Brady and Manning.

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If they cared so much, they'd outlaw all torpedo shots, even low ones.

Institutional gridlock. These changes are painful because they go entirely against the decades-long grain of the manly-man football culture.

Brady was the most high profile player, and therefore generated the most media controversy, which is what pushed the PTB to finally act. I certainly don't blame Brady himself for any of this.

However painful to the hallowed football culture, these changes are simply necessary. We don't allow bear baiting, bare-knuckle, time-unlimited boxing, or bullfights in our country.

A "sane" level of protection for professional football players is coming, whether we "like" it or not. But, as I said, the whole thing is a work in progress. So, that level is yet to be determined.

 

[Phoenix86]

that's exactly what I'm talking about. Most people that know what I'm referring to realize that had it been any other QB, the rule would not have happened.

That's not to say that it's a bad thing to prevent/discourage such injuries--it is--but that is not why the rule was in place. Had it been Sanchez or even, I dunno, DREW BLEDSOE, it would not have been interpreted (as we know it was) as a financial loss to the team for a "down season" but, more importantly, the NFL, for losing it's Golden Boy haircut for a season.

It's the general NFL motivation where they claim injury and player protection, but you know that's not what they care about. The rule would have only applied had it been 3 or 4 individuals at the time.

I hear the phrase "aviation policy is written in blood" many years ago. The better question is: why aren't these rules proactive?

It doesn't take a genius to see that a QB is pretty vulnerable below the knees and above the head sitting in the pocket.

 

[zinfamous]

The NFL is about the protection of players that fill seats. You think PFM being injured by a stupid play is good for the NFL? Nope.

Sure, it sucks that rules are put in place to protect their investments and kind of ignored for those who don't, but that is how businesses work.

Crying because the NFL doesn't want to lose someone who fills fucking seats and blaming that player for it is beyond stupid. If you want to hate on Brady, do it for a good reason: like, you are hideous chud and can't fuck a supermodel every night, and he can.

I don't blame Brady directly for the rule, obviously, but I point out that it was just one of those things that added on to to the general fan's perception of "This douchebag gets all the breaks."

He was already disliked by anyone not in the northeast and, yes, that is primarily because he was beating up on their teams for plenty of years by then.

Lol, I don't give a shit if he's banging supermodels--doesn't bother me in the least. But you can't deny that his perception within and outside the NFL has been that he fosters his " fragile pretty boy" mystique as much as he does his football chops. That rule only added to that well-established perception of he and the Patriots (deserved or not) getting special treatment as the Golden Boys of the day.

 

[smackababy]

I don't blame Brady directly for the rule, obviously, but I point out that it was just one of those things that added on to to the general fan's perception of "This douchebag gets all the breaks."

He was already disliked by anyone not in the northeast and, yes, that is primarily because he was beating up on their teams for plenty of years by then.

Lol, I don't give a shit if he's banging supermodels--doesn't bother me in the least. But you can't deny that his perception within and outside the NFL has been that he fosters his " fragile pretty boy" mystique as much as he does his football chops. That rule only added to that well-established perception of he and the Patriots (deserved or not) getting special treatment as the Golden Boys of the day.

I don't see Brady even pretending to be fragile. He has dove head first over the pile like the rest of them. Sure, in his old age he isn't doing it as much as Cam is now, but you put the Superbowl on the line and he will. The only thing he has done even remotely "golden boy" was complain to the ref and get the call. Which happened ONCE, and it wasn't even his fault. Every player complains to the ref and he just happened to be one of the high profile guys that got the call on TV.

If you hate Brady, you hate the American dream. Plain and simple. He was too small and didn't have what it took to be in the NFL. He was a late draft pick and was looked as a back up maybe. He didn't have what it took to be a great QB. However, despite all that negative perception, he is one of the greatest QBs to play the game.

My entire point of the supermodel wife is that the only reason to dislike Brady is he has made it and you haven't. Sure, Bills and Jets fans hate him because he beats their garbage teams, but that isn't his fault.

 

[Blackjack200]

I don't blame Brady directly for the rule, obviously, but I point out that it was just one of those things that added on to to the general fan's perception of "This douchebag gets all the breaks."

He was already disliked by anyone not in the northeast and, yes, that is primarily because he was beating up on their teams for plenty of years by then.

Lol, I don't give a shit if he's banging supermodels--doesn't bother me in the least. But you can't deny that his perception within and outside the NFL has been that he fosters his " fragile pretty boy" mystique as much as he does his football chops. That rule only added to that well-established perception of he and the Patriots (deserved or not) getting special treatment as the Golden Boys of the day.

I've always thought this was as stupid as the Lebron hate in the NBA and the Sidney Crosby hate in the NHL. If you participate in this, you are missing out on enjoying watching some of the best athletes of all time. All three are generational talents that your kids will ask you about the same way I asked my dad about Mickey Mantle.

I mean, I get it, it's jealousy compounded by the fat that these guys get way more exposure than anyone else, so after you watch him beat up on your team you then have to see him on commercials and all the NFL promo stuff. But don't get so carried away with it that you can't enjoy some truly amazing accomplishments.

Edit: just to be clear, this is not directed at zinfamous, just a general thought.

 

[Phoenix86]

And that force can go to their head or their knee. Which do you think is actually safer?

What about the body or upper legs, which is where you're supposed to tackle.

 

[zinfamous]

My entire point of the supermodel wife is that the only reason to dislike Brady is he has made it and you haven't. Sure, Bills and Jets fans hate him because he beats their garbage teams, but that isn't his fault.

Bullfuckingshit. The actual legitimate reason to hate him is that he keeps beating your team. As Bills and jets fans do, as Colts fans do. As Raiders fans hate him (and only because of one historic bullshit play) :awe:

 

[zinfamous]

I've always thought this was as stupid as the Lebron hate in the NBA and the Sidney Crosby hate in the NHL. If you participate in this, you are missing out on enjoying watching some of the best athletes of all time. All three are generational talents that your kids will ask you about the same way I asked my dad about Mickey Mantle.

I mean, I get it, it's jealousy compounded by the fat that these guys get way more exposure than anyone else, so after you watch him beat up on your team you then have to see him on commercials and all the NFL promo stuff. But don't get so carried away with it that you can't enjoy some truly amazing accomplishments.

Edit: just to be clear, this is not directed at zinfamous, just a general thought.

I totally agree with you. I'm just the messenger, bro

smackababy is inferring this to be some personal thing, for some reason.

But, it's also fun to just hate on athletes for no real reason. it's part of the fun. I'm not into the ultra fanboy thing like I used to be (and never was for any professional sports--I still think that grown men playing sports like this is silly, even when I find it entertaining), but it's all just part of it.

None of this would ever be entertaining if there's weren't villains.

 

[smackababy]

Bullfuckingshit. The actual legitimate reason to hate him is that he keeps beating your team. As Bills and jets fans do, as Colts fans do. As Raiders fans hate him (and only because of one historic bullshit play) :awe:

It is not Tom Brady's fault the Jets and the Bill have been fucking awful the past decade and a half (more so for the Bills, but after losing 4 straight Superbowls to the NFC East, I'd take a couple decades off too). Colts fan have no excuse. They had PFM. You have to respect anyone who can constantly beat that guy. Perhaps, the fans should focus less on Brady and more on their awful office staff for their teams. I don't complain about <insert name of QB from any NFC East team not on the Cowboys> when the Cowboys lose. I complain about Jerry being an awful person for ruining my life with his moronic team management.

 

[Perknose]

Brady haters get their panties in a bunch unnecessarily. A network sitcom slyly predicted this phenomenon.

 

[SSSnail]

They hate him because he's pretty.