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mugs

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Originally posted by: meltdown75
Originally posted by: Thraxen
Originally posted by: meltdown75
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: Syringer
I really don't want to see Mich/OSU again..

Why?
...because some people are fans of their teams before fans of the sport.

No, because being fans of the sport we realize that a rematch would prove nothing.
Rematch has nothing to do with it. Everyone finishes their schedule and the top 2 teams play. If Mich is ranked #2 when all is said and done, we can have this discussion again in the National Championship OSU / Mich thread.

edit: by the way, anyone who wouldn't want to see those two teams play again is retarded.

Seriously. I can't believe how many people think UM is the second best team but STILL don't want to see them play again in the national championship game.
 

bunnyfubbles

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Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: meltdown75
Originally posted by: Thraxen
Originally posted by: meltdown75
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: Syringer
I really don't want to see Mich/OSU again..

Why?
...because some people are fans of their teams before fans of the sport.

No, because being fans of the sport we realize that a rematch would prove nothing.
Rematch has nothing to do with it. Everyone finishes their schedule and the top 2 teams play. If Mich is ranked #2 when all is said and done, we can have this discussion again in the National Championship OSU / Mich thread.

edit: by the way, anyone who wouldn't want to see those two teams play again is retarded.

Seriously. I can't believe how many people think UM is the second best team but STILL don't want to see them play again in the national championship game.

Football is (or should be) a do-or-die sport, there is no BS series. Giving a team a second chance can seriously screw things up, and if that 2nd chance is awarded by biased humans (2/3 of the BCS) then a rematch isn't necessarily coincidence like a potential rematch during a playoff.

OSU and Michigan just may be the two best teams in the country, but that means the national championship game was already played and Michigan didn't do, they died.

That brings me to another point; the great thing about playoffs. You don't need to be considered the hands-down best team in order to win the championship. The Steelers were a 6th (last) seed in the playoffs and had to beat #1, #2, #3 seeds in their conference (on the road no less, something Michigan didn't do) and then beat a #1 seed from the opposing conference in the Superbowl in order to win. Would they win a series against each and every one of those teams they beat? Maybe, maybe not. But this is football, there are no series, it is do or die. We aren't guaranteed do-overs to determine the best, in fact do-overs are a very rare thing. Was last year's Texas truly better than last year's USC? Would they win a best of 3, 5 or 7 series? Who knows, maybe USC really would win a majority of the games, but that is not how these things work or should work.

If OSU beats Michigan in a rematch, are they the best team? Maybe, maybe they just know how to better exploit Michigan's weaknesses after already playing them, perhaps OSU would have lost to a team they've never faced yet this year.

If Michigan wins, are they really the best team? They already lost to OSU, maybe they just figured out how to better exploit OSU's weaknesses. Maybe they just won the one game they would win in a best of 3 series, or worse, a best of 5 or even 7 series. 1 of 3 or 5 or 7 but its the one and only game that counts. How is that fair? OSU already won the one game that should count. How does that truly determine the #1 team? Series don't work in football, college football is already in trouble with BCS controversy every other (if not every) year, it doesn't need another one. Of course another one might just help usher in a playoff system that (if done correctly) should eliminate a lot of this BS.
 

YBS1

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Originally posted by: mugs
Seriously. I can't believe how many people think UM is the second best team but STILL don't want to see them play again in the national championship game.

Speaking for myself, I think Michigan probably is the second best team and I don't really want to see a rematch, but it's not nearly as much about the fact that it would be a rematch as much as it is about both teams being from the same conference. It's simply not fair to tOSU to basically make them win their conference twice (This is coming from someone who is sick to death of tOSU and their obnoxious fans). This is one adjustment I'd like to see in the BCS rules, no intra-conference match ups in the bowls, these teams have already shown how they stack up against each other and against their yearly opponents.
 

JasonCoder

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Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles

OSU and Michigan just may be the two best teams in the country, but that means the national championship game was already played and Michigan didn't do, they died.

/thread
 

mpitts

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Originally posted by: JasonCoder
Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles

OSU and Michigan just may be the two best teams in the country, but that means the national championship game was already played and Michigan didn't do, they died.

/thread

The BCS championship game is what it is: #1 in BCS v #2 in BCS. At first I was against a rematch of UM v OSU but I am leaning towards it for two reasons:

1. Michigan is the second best team in the country. Florida is not. USC has struggled all year. Michigan has the best resume of any team vying for #2.

2. Maybe it will eventually spark change in the system. Urban Meyer is already calling foul if there is a rematch. It might take something like this happening for Div 1-A presidents to reconsider. I guarantee the Pac-10, SEC, Big East and Big 12 all HATE the idea of two teams from the same conference playing in the most important game of the year.

 
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Originally posted by: mpitts
Originally posted by: JasonCoder
Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles

OSU and Michigan just may be the two best teams in the country, but that means the national championship game was already played and Michigan didn't do, they died.

/thread

The BCS championship game is what it is: #1 in BCS v #2 in BCS. At first I was against a rematch of UM v OSU but I am leaning towards it for two reasons:

1. Michigan is the second best team in the country. Florida is not. USC has struggled all year. Michigan has the best resume of any team vying for #2.

2. Maybe it will eventually spark change in the system. Urban Meyer is already calling foul if there is a rematch. It might take something like this happening for Div 1-A presidents to reconsider. I guarantee the Pac-10, SEC, Big East and Big 12 all HATE the idea of two teams from the same conference playing in the most important game of the year.

Stupid human polls. First we hate human polls, then we also realize that half hte decisions are made by computer and we blame the computer.. so there's a lot of flaws with the BCS. Too many. Even without a rematch, this system is messed. Isn't it ironic how this year Cal is ranked #17 or whatever in the BCS and is going to the Holiday bowl and in 2004 we were ranked #5? Hahahahahaha. Gotta love stupid human polls.

Anyways, I think USC will prevail.
 

mpitts

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Originally posted by: DLeRium
Originally posted by: mpitts
Originally posted by: JasonCoder
Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles

OSU and Michigan just may be the two best teams in the country, but that means the national championship game was already played and Michigan didn't do, they died.

/thread

The BCS championship game is what it is: #1 in BCS v #2 in BCS. At first I was against a rematch of UM v OSU but I am leaning towards it for two reasons:

1. Michigan is the second best team in the country. Florida is not. USC has struggled all year. Michigan has the best resume of any team vying for #2.

2. Maybe it will eventually spark change in the system. Urban Meyer is already calling foul if there is a rematch. It might take something like this happening for Div 1-A presidents to reconsider. I guarantee the Pac-10, SEC, Big East and Big 12 all HATE the idea of two teams from the same conference playing in the most important game of the year.

Stupid human polls. First we hate human polls, then we also realize that half hte decisions are made by computer and we blame the computer.. so there's a lot of flaws with the BCS. Too many. Even without a rematch, this system is messed. Isn't it ironic how this year Cal is ranked #17 or whatever in the BCS and is going to the Holiday bowl and in 2004 we were ranked #5? Hahahahahaha. Gotta love stupid human polls.

Anyways, I think USC will prevail.

Speaking of human polls, imagine if Michigan would have lost of OSU in the 2nd game of the season instead of the last. They would be a SOLID #2 all of the human polls right now. It just goes to show how subjective the entire system is and how Division 1-A football needs a playoff.
 

BlancoNino

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The problem with a rematch is that if Michigan and OSU play eachother again and Michigan barely wins, what's to stop the AP poll from voting OSU number 1 (since OSU already beat them) and having a split championship?

Imagine that:

Michigan plays Ohio State. Michigan plays Ohio State again. They share a national title. The result? Worst ending in College Football history. Period.
 

mpitts

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Originally posted by: BlancoNino
The problem with a rematch is that if Michigan and OSU play eachother again and Michigan barely wins, what's to stop the AP poll from voting OSU number 1 (since OSU already beat them) and having a split championship?

Imagine that:

Michigan plays Ohio State. Michigan plays Ohio State again. They share a national title. The result? Worst ending in College Football history. Period.

I could think of worse things that can and have happened.
 

chambersc

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GOOOOOO ND. Let's end this USC circle-jerk!

Wouldn't that be something if ND wins and Michigan V ohio play for the title again?
 

BlancoNino

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Originally posted by: mpitts
Originally posted by: BlancoNino
The problem with a rematch is that if Michigan and OSU play eachother again and Michigan barely wins, what's to stop the AP poll from voting OSU number 1 (since OSU already beat them) and having a split championship?

Imagine that:

Michigan plays Ohio State. Michigan plays Ohio State again. They share a national title. The result? Worst ending in College Football history. Period.

I could think of worse things that can and have happened.

I really can't.
 

dbk

Lifer
Apr 23, 2004
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GAME TIME. 'The Lord of the Rings bring his leprechauns to Tinseltown'
 

dbk

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Originally posted by: b0mbrman
On 4th and 9 in the 1st quarter?

Come on now...

It's rather disgusting how poor the kickers are in the college game. It almost seems worse than previous years. I love hearing about missed PATs.