Official U.S. document links Bush - Nazis

[Deleted member 4644]

This is pretty interesting:

"On October 20, 1942, the federal government seized the Union Banking Corporation in New York City as a front operation for the Nazis. Prescott Bush was a director. Bush, E. Roland Harriman, two Bush associates, and three Nazi executives owned the bank?s shares. Eight days later, the Roosevelt administration seized two other corporations managed by Prescott Bush. The Holland-American Trading Corporation and the Seamless Steel Equipment Corporation, both managed by the Bush-Harriman bank, were accused by the US federal government of being front organizations for Hitler?s Third Reich. Again, on November 8, 1942, the federal government seized Nazi-controlled assets of Silesian-American Corporation, another Bush-Harriman company doing business with Hitler."

http://www.mbpolitics.com/bush2000/Vesting.htm (offical document gif)


http://www.tarpley.net/bush1.htm (a related site- note not all info here is clearly trustworthy)




I am a moderate centrist when it comes to politics. I voted for Gore. Whatever.

When I read this I thought it was shocking. I wanted to share it.

 

[Amused]

Yet the former President Bush was shot down TWICE in the Pacific defending your right to slur his family.

Oh the irony...

 

[Deleted member 4644]

Sir- I am not attempting to SLUR anyone. #1, it is my right. #2 It is HISTORY and I believe it should be known.

Furthermore, I am not attempting to say that Bush or his family doesnt love America, rather I am merely trying to show that he, like all politicians, has a dirty past.

 

[Smaulz]

pssst... *flamebait*

 

[Red Dawn]

<< Yet the former President Bush was shot down TWICE in the Pacific defending your right to slur his family. >>

Kicked to the curb big time!!

 

[Amused]

<< Sir- I am not attempting to SLUR anyone. #1, it is my right. #2 It is HISTORY and I believe it should be known. >>



Yes you are. You've posted it in not one, but two threads. It's ancient history (questionable at that), and the Bush family has more than proven it's love for this country and freedom in general.

Let me know the next time you put your life on the line for our freedom and get shot down twice, yet continue to fight.

Idiot.

 

[Ronstang]

<< Furthermore, I am not attempting to say that Bush or his family doesnt love America, rather I am merely trying to show that he, like all politicians, has a dirty past. >>



How is this his dirty past? So I guess if your Grandmother is a whore then you have a dirty past also, huh?

 

[Deleted member 4644]

The document can be obtained from the Federal Register Archives. It is NOT "ancient history". The affects of WWII continue to have a profound impact on our nation, the Middle East, and the economy around the world. It shaped the Cold War, and it will continue to affect our nation for at least a few generations.

Ancient history is 100s of years ago. This was within the lifetime of my living grampa (who fought in WWII).

 

[bugsysiegel]

<< Furthermore, I am not attempting to say that Bush or his family doesnt love America, rather I am merely trying to show that he, like all politicians, has a dirty past. >>




Heh, man, don't we all?

 

[Jzero]

<< Furthermore, I am not attempting to say that Bush or his family doesnt love America, rather I am merely trying to show that he, like all politicians, has a dirty past. >>


I don't dispute the notion that GW and other polits have dirty pasts and skeletons in their closets, however, I fail to see how his GRANDFATHER'S actions when he was like 15 has really anything significant to do with his own political history.
We could make a night of playing "Six Degrees of Adolf Hitler" though....

 

[Deleted member 4644]

<< I don't dispute the notion that GW and other polits have dirty pasts and skeletons in their closets, however, I fail to see how his GRANDFATHER'S actions when he was like 15 has really anything significant to do with his own political history. >>



I agree that it doesnt mean GW is a bad guy perse. But I am really disturbed that one of the most powerful American families (3 generations in top-level govt) has links like these.

In their defense, a pro-German/Nazi attitude was shockingly common right through the 1930s. Im not trying to suggest they have some super crazy link to the Nazis, but this IS how they made a lot of their family fortune.

 

[Jzero]

<<

<< I don't dispute the notion that GW and other polits have dirty pasts and skeletons in their closets, however, I fail to see how his GRANDFATHER'S actions when he was like 15 has really anything significant to do with his own political history. >>



I agree that it doesnt mean GW is a bad guy perse. But I am really disturbed that one of the most powerful American families (3 generations in top-level govt) has links like these.

In their defense, a pro-German/Nazi attitude was shockingly common right through the 1930s. Im not trying to suggest they have some super crazy link to the Nazis, but this IS how they made a lot of their family fortune. >>


For 15-20 years the Nazi party and associated ventures were treated as legitimate government and business. I wouldn't be surprised if you could find "links" between many politicians and businessmen from the early 20th century to Nazi-run ventures.

 

[etech]

Look into Ford of that generation and then come back.

It's old, the Nazis were not known as the evil then that they are now. The family does not " have links like these anymore".

Move on.

 

[bozo1]

This is silly. There were *hundreds* of companies that did business with the Germans before WWII.

Don't forget, Hitler was the legally elected head of Germany. There was nothing illegal or wrong with doing business with Germany up to the start of the war. The atrocities of Hitler & co were not known until later.

You could pick any prominent American family and probably find such 'links'.

 

[NaughtyusMaximus]

Walt Disney was a nazi sympathizer too, yet I don't see people ever calling him a bad person.

Get over it, times change.

 

[Deleted member 4644]

<< This is silly. There were *hundreds* of companies that did business with the Germans before WWII. >>




The difference is that this cooperation with the Bush company continued until 1942 when the freaking company had to be seized by the US GOVT! This was a far more serious case then most.

Read the freaking documents man- the US declared War on Germany in 41- why did the Bushs continue for year to support Germany?

 

[DevilsAdvocate]

We could make a night of playing "Six Degrees of Adolf Hitler" though....

Priceless, jzero.

This really is stupid. Nazi Germany was recovering economically from WW1 and foreign investment was very prevalent in that country. Much of that investment was American. Many of America's most powerful corporations and families had a hand in the rebirth of Germany. Does that make them evil? No.

This is really not a big deal. Fascism was not seen as the evil that is seen as today. Hindsight is twenty-twenty.

What would have been alarming is if those companies did business with the Nazis after hostilities began. Companies (and individuals) that did this were charged, tried, and even prosecuted under the Trading With The Enemy Act.

 

[bozo1]

<< The difference is that this cooperation with the Bush company continued until 1942 >>


That document says no such thing. Corporations just don't 'go away'. The US seized the assets in 1942, a whole *1* share was owned by Bush. None of your links (both to left-wing sources, I must say) state what the company was doing, what Bush or those corporations did to help the Nazi's if anything, etc.

 

[Deleted member 4644]

<< What would have been alarming is if those companies did business with the Nazis after hostilities began. Companies (and individuals) that did this were charged, tried, and even prosecuted under the Trading With The Enemy Act. >>




THIS IS THE CASE WITH BUSH! The company was SEIZED in 1942, *after* war was declared, because it had CONTINUED to deal with Nazi Germany between Dec 1941 and Oct 1942! THAT is why Im so shocked by it.

 

[Deleted member 4644]

"That document says no such thing. Corporations just don't 'go away'. The US seized the assets in 1942, a whole *1* share was owned by Bush. None of your links (both to left-wing sources, I must say) state what the company was doing, what Bush or those corporations did to help the Nazi's if anything, etc."

Ugh.. ok. The freaking company was shut down in 42 after the Feds seized it for cooperating with the Nazis! BUSH's GRANDDAD was a DIRECTOR (one of 5 or 6) who *ran* the company. He had one share for god knows why, but he was a board member. Ill get you guys some more links. THESE ARE FACTS. In a few days, I will go to my school library, and scan the official documents in for you guys to see. Till then:

http://www.americanfreedomnews.com/afn_articles/bushsecrets.htm

 

[KentState]

I don't understand why this warrants this type of attention. G.W. Bush did not personally involve himself with the Nazi party and therefore making a post stating that a link of Bush to the Nazis is a little misleading. It would make more sense to say, business men during the 40s have a link to the Nazi party. Heck, I bet a lot of politicians on both sides of the aisle have links to slavery or other sins of the past as well. I'm not sure what your families background is, but you may even have a lot of skeletons in the the family closet.

Your question about the breakup of the company after the declaration of war is poor. If you look back, most people weren't even aware of what was going on inside of Germany. The killing of millions of Jews wasn't known to much of the world until late into WW2.

 

[bozo1]

You need to backup your statements. Yes, the company was seized in 1942. Yes, Bush was a director. Nowhere was it said that the company was dealing with the Nazi's after war was declared. The Trading with the Enemy act allows the US government to seize assets held by citizens of countries we are at war with. The fact that the company was owned by German citizens gave the US government the right to take it over - there was no allegation, at least in your links, that any wrongdoing had happened. The wheels of government rotate slowly - I'm surprised it didn't take them until 1945 to take over the company in question.

 

[AaronP]

no-one knew about the NAZI atrocities until the end of the war when the allies found all the camps and evidence. Furthermore, just because he was on the board doesn't mean he knew the ins and outs of what was going on. Furtherfurthermore, his own son was a WAR HERO fighting against the axis. And finally, its not exactly new news that Prescott Bush was associated with some companies that had their assets siezed during WW2.

 

[Deleted member 4644]

<< If you look back, most people weren't even aware of what was going on inside of Germany. >>



Yea, except Prescott Bush wasnt most people dude. He was a senior member of a bank with major holdings in Germany. He also became a US Senator. Dont you guys know history? :Q


bozo1, You might be right. I dont have proof. On monday I will go to my library and look up the microfilm docs from the time. That should give more info, but I have some evidence that they financed Nazi armor manufacture:

Furthermore, a 1942 U.S. government investigative report that surfaced during 1945 Senate hearings found that the Union Bank, with Prescott Bush on the board, was an "interlocking concern" with the German Steel Trust that had produced:

· 50.8% of Nazi Germany's pig iron
· 41.4% of Nazi Germany's universal plate
· 36% of Nazi Germany's heavy plate
· 38.5% of Nazi Germany's galvanized sheet
· 45.5% of Nazi Germany's pipes and tubes
· 22.1% of Nazi Germany's wire
· 35% of Nazi Germany's explosives

http://www.disinfo.com/pages/article/id1706/pg1/

(To be honest, Im not sure if the above table is true-- i need to do more research)

 

[yakko]

So what this means is nothing? Or could it possibly mean nothing? Which is it?