Official Toyota FT-86 pics revealed in japan

[Throckmorton]

Tire shine looks corny

 

[exdeath]

I don't get why the the high compression ratio would preclude turbocharging. Can't you get a crank shaft with a smaller stroke, and exchange some displacement for lower compression?

Displacement and compression are unrelated. You don't stroke an engine to change compression ratio.

 

[janas19]

Why would you say that? I'm thrilled that Toyota let Subaru handle the 'meat' of the car. I'd much rather trust Subie to do a good job on performance than toyota.

I like compact and well-refined engines like Toyota and Honda over bigger motors that Subaru makes. Japanese engines tend to be smaller and more economical, which makes them easier to wrench on and build. That's why the B and H series engines of Honda have such a lasting appeal. What engine of Subaru shares that level of popularity and appeal? Nothing, probably. I wish Toyota would make a new inline 4, instead I get Subaru

 

[janas19]

I don't get why the the high compression ratio would preclude turbocharging. Can't you get a crank shaft with a smaller stroke, and exchange some displacement for lower compression?

Yes, you can "get" a new crankshaft and possibly turbocharge it, at the cost of a few thousand dollars. Then you have to buy the turnbocharger itself and kit, for another couple thousand dollars. Most people won't pay 5k to turbocharge a high compression engine, that's why they would normally choose the lower compression.

 

[exdeath]

Yes, you can "get" a new crankshaft and possibly turbocharge it, at the cost of a few thousand dollars. Then you have to buy the turnbocharger itself and kit, for another couple thousand dollars. Most people won't pay 5k to turbocharge a high compression engine, that's why they would normally choose the lower compression.

And still have less power than other stock cars on the road that cost the same or less while being more loaded.

I'm not saying every car out there needs 400+ HP... just the aggressive pretentious looking ones. Especially tiny cars like this that sacrifice other amenities and space, it better have something to make up for it. If I cant take adults out to dinner or haul stuff or have to be uncomfortable, it at least better be able to leave a fair shair of cars behind at merges. No car has any business looking that sleek and aggressive while being no faster than a fully loaded four door Camry with heated seats and spacious seating for 5.

And I'm saying this because the car looks damn hawt, but in the real world it's going to be all bark and no bite, and would attract too much competitiveness without being able to throw down. I wouldn't want to drive a "Ferrari" with a Fierro engine either.

 

[Throckmorton]

Displacement and compression are unrelated. You don't stroke an engine to change compression ratio.

Maybe you misunderstood my post. I said to get replace the crankshaft with one that has a smaller stroke. That means the displacement of the cylinder at TDC is bigger than it is stock, and at the bottom of the intake stroke the displacement is smaller... So yes, you are decreasing the compression ratio if you do that.

 

[exdeath]

Maybe you misunderstood my post. I said to get replace the crankshaft with one that has a smaller stroke. That means the displacement of the cylinder at TDC is bigger than it is stock, and at the bottom of the intake stroke the displacement is smaller... So yes, you are decreasing the compression ratio if you do that.

Uhm. No. You change the pistons, wrist pin height, and rods when you change crank throw so piston top lines up with the block deck always at TDC. You don't move the combustion chamber into the block. Lol.

Yeah you'll change compression ratio , but that's not how/why you do it if that's all you want. You just change the pistons.

 

[janas19]

And still have less power than other stock cars on the road that cost the same or less while being more loaded.

I'm not saying every car out there needs 400+ HP... just the aggressive pretentious looking ones. Especially tiny cars like this that sacrifice other amenities and space, it better have something to make up for it. If I cant take adults out to dinner or haul stuff or have to be uncomfortable, it at least better be able to leave a fair shair of cars behind at merges. No car has any business looking that sleek and aggressive while being no faster than a fully loaded four door Camry with heated seats and spacious seating for 5.

And I'm saying this because the car looks damn hawt, but in the real world it's going to be all bark and no bite, and would attract too much competitiveness without being able to throw down. I wouldn't want to drive a "Ferrari" with a Fierro engine either.

Educate yourself a little bit about the AE86 Corolla please. It also did not have the most power, but a low center gravity, lightweight, RWD car is more where the appeal lies.

On the other hand, though, lots of people did complain about the MR2's lack of power, and that's when we got the 3GTZE engine. So, it'll probably happen that Subaru will release some turbocharged models.

 

[Phanuel]

On the other hand, though, lots of people did complain about the MR2's lack of power, and that's when we got the 3GTZE engine. So, it'll probably happen that Subaru will release some turbocharged models.

And then Subaru releases their GT racer video with 300hp at the same time as the release while claiming they don't have any room under the hood to do more? I mean, yeah, sure cat delete and race fuel can bump the HP up a bit, but not 100 I don't think.

 

[exdeath]

Educate yourself a little bit about the AE86 Corolla please. It also did not have the most power, but a low center gravity, lightweight, RWD car is more where the appeal lies.

On the other hand, though, lots of people did complain about the MR2's lack of power, and that's when we got the 3GTZE engine. So, it'll probably happen that Subaru will release some turbocharged models.

But its 2011 now, not 1985.

In the AE86 days, stock Camrys and Altimas didn't have 300+HP. Hell a V8 Mustang, Camaro, or Corvette barely had that if at all.

And the AE86 was just a "Corolla", it didn't look like an exotic or presume to be anything else. This thing looks way too hot to be hamstrung by lack of power.

 

[janas19]

But its 2011 now, not 1985.

In the AE86 days, stock Camrys and Altimas didn't have 300+HP. Hell a V8 Mustang, Camaro, or Corvette barely had that if at all.

And the AE86 was just a "Corolla", it didn't look like an exotic or presume to be anything else. This thing looks way too hot to be hamstrung by lack of power.

True. But also the curb weight will be a lot lower, so a similar power to weight ratio could be achieved...

 

[Throckmorton]

Uhm. No. You change the pistons, wrist pin height, and rods when you change crank throw so piston top lines up with the block deck always at TDC. You don't move the combustion chamber into the block. Lol.

Yeah you'll change compression ratio , but that's not how/why you do it if that's all you want. You just change the pistons.

I figured the wrist pin would already be mounted as high as possible on the piston to save space/material. Can you normally get pistons to reduce your compression ratio for compact engines like these?

 

[Throckmorton]

True. But also the curb weight will be a lot lower, so a similar power to weight ratio could be achieved...

The thing is this has a worse power:weight ratio than a V6 Mustang. We aren't even talking about the V8 Mustang, but the economical lower powered one.

Heck, I bet it has worse power:weight than every V6 sedan. OK, maybe not every one.

 

[janas19]

The thing is this has a worse power:weight ratio than a V6 Mustang. We aren't even talking about the V8 Mustang, but the economical lower powered one.

Heck, I bet it has worse power:weight than every V6 sedan. OK, maybe not every one.

If I cared more I would fact-check that statement, but I neither plan on buying this car nor a Mustang, so I won't. Maybe later.

 

[Throckmorton]

If I cared more I would fact-check that statement, but I neither plan on buying this car nor a Mustang, so I won't. Maybe later.

I already did the math and I'm not lying.


The sad truth is that in the horsepower wars, "sports cars" have fallen behind V6 versions of musclecars, family sedans, SUVs, mopeds, and city buses.

 

[janas19]

Mopeds? Ok, now I know you're full of shit