TwiceOver
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- Dec 20, 2002
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Ugh that was painful. As soon as Rob won that immunity it was painfully obvious he was going to win the whole thing. There is NO WAY the other 4 could have possibly thought they could beat Rob.
Jury speeches were good though. I think I may be about done with Survivor though. After 20(+?) seasons all of the luxury is taking away from the actual game.
Jury speeches were good though. I think I may be about done with Survivor though. After 20(+?) seasons all of the luxury is taking away from the actual game.
Anomaly1964
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purbeast0
No Lifer
- Sep 13, 2001
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there was absolutely no way in hell anyone but rob was going to win as soon as he got the immunity necklace. and ashley was pretty stupid for saying that she could beat the other 2 people in a jury vote RIGHT before everyone was voting.
it was painfully hilarious to see the first 5 or 6 jury members just be bitter sore losers. you could just tell they were so upset that they were not on the other side of the tribal council and just wanted to humiliate the people who were. julie's speech was totally uncalled for and steve is a bitter old man with what he said to phillip.
it was an extremely pathetic showing by the zapatera members at the jury, and they were actually probably the stupidest tribe i've ever seen on this show. i'm extremely happy that russel ended up being right about his tribe.
i also really appreciated when Dave got up and basically told the jury that no matter what you think, rob played the perfect game and that it is just that - a game. he brought the 2 people who he knew would not be able to beat him, and those 2 people even said at the final tribal council that they would not have been there for rob. it was just the ultimate game that he played. those of you saying you are sick of rob or blah blah whatever, he was on camera so much because he was running the show.
as far as russel compared to rob, the thing about russel is that he had absolutely 0 social game. he was a total asshole about everything and very condescending. not 1 time in the entire season did you see rob get confrontational with anybody, and he was actually an extremely friendly and caring person on the show. as all of the contestants said, rob had a lot of 1 on 1's with people and was genuinely interested in them. whereas russel was just a fucking asshole with the social game, but he played an amazing manipulative game.
but just like with every season of survivor, the jury is a bunch of bitter people who take the game too personal and don't put as much weight on the outwith/outplay of this game as they do the social one. but rob played both well.
i also have to say i was surprised to see how grant was acting towards rob about everything. as the show was airing i thought he accepted that it was a game, but in the finale he really truly seemed pissed off at rob about how he turned on him, even after seeing the show air and see how rob even felt really bad about it.
it was painfully hilarious to see the first 5 or 6 jury members just be bitter sore losers. you could just tell they were so upset that they were not on the other side of the tribal council and just wanted to humiliate the people who were. julie's speech was totally uncalled for and steve is a bitter old man with what he said to phillip.
it was an extremely pathetic showing by the zapatera members at the jury, and they were actually probably the stupidest tribe i've ever seen on this show. i'm extremely happy that russel ended up being right about his tribe.
i also really appreciated when Dave got up and basically told the jury that no matter what you think, rob played the perfect game and that it is just that - a game. he brought the 2 people who he knew would not be able to beat him, and those 2 people even said at the final tribal council that they would not have been there for rob. it was just the ultimate game that he played. those of you saying you are sick of rob or blah blah whatever, he was on camera so much because he was running the show.
as far as russel compared to rob, the thing about russel is that he had absolutely 0 social game. he was a total asshole about everything and very condescending. not 1 time in the entire season did you see rob get confrontational with anybody, and he was actually an extremely friendly and caring person on the show. as all of the contestants said, rob had a lot of 1 on 1's with people and was genuinely interested in them. whereas russel was just a fucking asshole with the social game, but he played an amazing manipulative game.
but just like with every season of survivor, the jury is a bunch of bitter people who take the game too personal and don't put as much weight on the outwith/outplay of this game as they do the social one. but rob played both well.
i also have to say i was surprised to see how grant was acting towards rob about everything. as the show was airing i thought he accepted that it was a game, but in the finale he really truly seemed pissed off at rob about how he turned on him, even after seeing the show air and see how rob even felt really bad about it.
Mermaidman
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- Sep 4, 2003
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The remaining players knew that Rob had a hidden idol? I don't recall that this was mentioned prior to the reunion show, and it makes a difference in how I view the way the ladies played the last few rounds.
Capt Caveman
Lifer
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lupi
Lifer
- Apr 8, 2001
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Yeah, I said that when it happened. Easily ashlie's worst move of the game and when you've got natalie on the wavering line on taking her out for rob or being a. Friend and ditching phillip, shouting out that you are the most likable to the jury ranks up their with handing over your immunity idol.
As I said before, as far as rob and russel goes this year I think there is a very good chance russel would have gone just as far had they been given each others starting spot. Rob's tribe had an average age much lower than the opposing tribe and that allowed him to play such a good social game. With russel wanting to enhance his social game to encompass more of the tribe, he likely would of had them letting him lead them around just as rob did. And with that eye for devilish acts, russel very likely would have kept phillip around for the same reasons as rob.
I just wish they announced the winner before the end of the second hour, not nearly enough time spent doing the reunion show as is. Speaking of which, was francesca (sp) even there? I thought I once may have caught a glimpse of her body at the end of the upper row but not sure and she was by far the least represented of all the early outs.
At least this time the mostly bitter sourgrapes jury still gave it to the deserved winner. Having someone in the finals that they all really hated (at the moment) made it easier, along with the pack leaders aide being more questionable as to her strength of show. David standing up at the end, like we all wanted to do at the last two were russel got screwed, and give the listen up bitches - that boy deserves to win speech probably helped to make it such a lopsided showing.
For the next go around, it will be very interesting to see who the returnees are and how the tribes initial react to them. We've now seen two times in a row that when a tribe goes for someone early because they are afraid their presence late in the game could be a threat have seen both tribes then wiped out. Much better to deal with a thread among 7 peeps with six of your friends than being the one being dealt with.
As I said before, as far as rob and russel goes this year I think there is a very good chance russel would have gone just as far had they been given each others starting spot. Rob's tribe had an average age much lower than the opposing tribe and that allowed him to play such a good social game. With russel wanting to enhance his social game to encompass more of the tribe, he likely would of had them letting him lead them around just as rob did. And with that eye for devilish acts, russel very likely would have kept phillip around for the same reasons as rob.
I just wish they announced the winner before the end of the second hour, not nearly enough time spent doing the reunion show as is. Speaking of which, was francesca (sp) even there? I thought I once may have caught a glimpse of her body at the end of the upper row but not sure and she was by far the least represented of all the early outs.
At least this time the mostly bitter sourgrapes jury still gave it to the deserved winner. Having someone in the finals that they all really hated (at the moment) made it easier, along with the pack leaders aide being more questionable as to her strength of show. David standing up at the end, like we all wanted to do at the last two were russel got screwed, and give the listen up bitches - that boy deserves to win speech probably helped to make it such a lopsided showing.
For the next go around, it will be very interesting to see who the returnees are and how the tribes initial react to them. We've now seen two times in a row that when a tribe goes for someone early because they are afraid their presence late in the game could be a threat have seen both tribes then wiped out. Much better to deal with a thread among 7 peeps with six of your friends than being the one being dealt with.
lupi
Lifer
- Apr 8, 2001
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And it was such a bad way to lose. The other two had some struggles going and you had an idea that they were about to see it go over. Matt was just sitting there and it felt like the camera had to quickly swap over cause his acted like a breeze caught it and turned it over.
WaTaGuMp
Lifer
- May 10, 2001
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When they were showing the preview for the next season, one of the players looked like it was Matt, at least to me.
why give to rob whose wife already won survivor not russell. russell played excellent but he never won.
purbeast0
No Lifer
- Sep 13, 2001
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because rob isn't a fucking asshole to everyone that he is living with.
yea i'm going to have to agree here. was pretty normal to weak, with the exception of Dave actually speaking the truth about this game telling everyone that rob by far played the smartest game out of anyone and not to be a bitter bitch about being voted out.
lupi
Lifer
- Apr 8, 2001
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that had nothing to do with it. if someone stood up like david in both of russel's councils he would have won at least one of them.
as if it wasn't a cause of bitter much for the jury the first time, the second one gave the money to the person who was about as worthy as my left nut in winning it that season.
as if it wasn't a cause of bitter much for the jury the first time, the second one gave the money to the person who was about as worthy as my left nut in winning it that season.
PowerEngineer
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- Oct 22, 2001
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My thinking is pretty much in line with yours, except that I thought the zapatera jury members were pretty mellow and well behaved (maybe Julie not so much).
As Jeff observed, Boston Rob played just about a perfect game of Survivor -- head and shoulders better than anyone else ever has. He made it look easy, but it really wasn't. As Dave said, Rob played brilliantly.
There is no way that Russell could have duplicated Rob's success with that tribe. The Russell loyalists should take note that he was only successful in his first two appearances because none of his tribe members had seen the way he plays the game. If he's smart, he'll pass on a fourth appearance because he'll be quickly voted out again.
On the other hand, Boston Rob is Survivor's most recognized player. Everyone knew how he played the game, and he was still able to work his way to the top of his tribe.
The bottom line is that Rob is the likable villian (think Jack Sparrow) while Russell is the devil incarnate (think Darth Vadar).
JujuFish
Lifer
- Feb 3, 2005
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LOL, you're such a blinded Russell fan. I can't speak for his first season, but there's no way in hell he got screwed in Heroes vs. Villains.
purbeast0
No Lifer
- Sep 13, 2001
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while i still think russell played a great strategic game, his social game was just terrible.
from sitting in my house watching the show, do I think he should have won both seasons? yes...
but it is totally different when in the game. and from sitting on my couch at home watching it, i can tell that russell is a fucking asshole and rob isnt. it was pretty apparent in the reunion show too that russell still is a bitter bitch about how he got voted out.
i'm as big a russell fan as there are, but even i can admit that rob played a much better game than he did, simply because he is a likable guy who played a great social game, whereas russell is not a likable guy and played a shitty social game.
Dr. Detroit
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- Sep 25, 2004
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Rob deserved the win, Phil deserved 2nd place.
With that out of the way - the Producers built quite a bit of drama by cutting the footage as no one spoke of Rob having the idol - yet everyone knew he had it so he was not getting voted out. Interesting that those bastards left it out!
Redemption island twist sucked - I think it does a disservice to the jury members as they do not attend any of the tribal councils and have less insight on the tribe interactions. The 1st segment of Redemption island was OK - the 2nd piece was horrible!
Bringing back two players from previous seasons - NO! I want a fresh crop of 18 Survivors and watch them struggle and learn.
I want the reward challenges back!
I want Survivor auction back!
I want Survivor eat gross food back!
I was happy they did not do the Surivor memorial service where they gather the voted off and burn them. Was a worthless segment we FF through.
No one won a car this season?
And for the whiny bitch of a guy - GRANT! If you won the challenge or Rob won you would still have been around. Sorry bro!
With that out of the way - the Producers built quite a bit of drama by cutting the footage as no one spoke of Rob having the idol - yet everyone knew he had it so he was not getting voted out. Interesting that those bastards left it out!
Redemption island twist sucked - I think it does a disservice to the jury members as they do not attend any of the tribal councils and have less insight on the tribe interactions. The 1st segment of Redemption island was OK - the 2nd piece was horrible!
Bringing back two players from previous seasons - NO! I want a fresh crop of 18 Survivors and watch them struggle and learn.
I want the reward challenges back!
I want Survivor auction back!
I want Survivor eat gross food back!
I was happy they did not do the Surivor memorial service where they gather the voted off and burn them. Was a worthless segment we FF through.
No one won a car this season?
And for the whiny bitch of a guy - GRANT! If you won the challenge or Rob won you would still have been around. Sorry bro!
No question, it sucked.
The only move some players at the time thought was a big move in the game was to cannibalize their own team by throwing the challenge, getting rid of Russell. Yet time showed how stupid that was, weakening their tribe in challenges leading to each one to receive the boot before any of the other tribe got booted.
Overall, not a single bold move or impact play by anyone except Rob. Nothing.
Redemption Island was crappy gimmick, and Russell got his track record soured by playing with so many amateurs and scared non-strategic people in a forced and contrived corny rematch between him and Rob.
Yes, Rob deserved to win, but except for Russell no one else deserved to play.
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