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paperfist

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Really? You've never heard of subscription abbreviated as 'sub'? But you have seen sub par abbreviated as 'sub'?

Yepp, I cannot tell a lie and my hand is on the bible.

I take sub to mean this:

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a prefix occurring originally in loanwords from Latin ( subject; subtract; subvert; subsidy ); on this model, freely attached to elements of any origin and used with the meaning “under,” “below,” “beneath” ( subalpine; substratum ), “slightly,” “imperfectly,” “nearly” ( subcolumnar; subtropical ), “secondary,” “subordinate” ( subcommittee; subplot ).

So while reading his text about not wanting to sink $60 into a sub game I took it to mean sub par.
 

HumblePie

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try the .ini tweaks.. MUCH better than even just forcing through the driver.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNszLK_lePA&feature=player_embedded

game looks pretty damn good cranked after these changes.

That actually made it look way worse doing all that. That makes the textures look terrible and blurry as hell compared to what I had setup before. Actually it was kind of strange because with that setup INI file the textures looked sharper the lower I put them. If texture quality was set to High it looks like crap with his setup but if I set it to Low it looks only okay. Still no where near where I had it setup before.
 

HumblePie

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Yepp, I cannot tell a lie and my hand is on the bible.

I take sub to mean this:

sub-
 
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a prefix occurring originally in loanwords from Latin ( subject; subtract; subvert; subsidy ); on this model, freely attached to elements of any origin and used with the meaning “under,” “below,” “beneath” ( subalpine; substratum ), “slightly,” “imperfectly,” “nearly” ( subcolumnar; subtropical ), “secondary,” “subordinate” ( subcommittee; subplot ).

So while reading his text about not wanting to sink $60 into a sub game I took it to mean sub par.

I took it to mean that as well. Sub is an actual word, not an abbreviation to the word subscription.
 

DeathReborn

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Unfortunately ToR betas have still not swayed me from my "not gonna buy it" stance. There's just nothing in it that has the suck you in feel about it. I have tried 2 Betas to date, 6 different classes (3 on both sides) & nothing has drawn me in like Lineage 2 or Everquest did.

Maybe I'm just fussy, I got given GW for free and logged in once & haven't looked back since, had WoW for about 2 months & got fed up with it, WAR online I still pop onto every so often, L2 on occasion for old times sake but since EQ & the early days (2 years) of L2 no MMO has been anything special. The graphics I don't mind, I grew up on Atari's, Amiga's & Commodores but the whole thing gives me a similar feeling as DA2 does, just not right.
 

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yeah, I played me some beta and I knew from the opening movie that I'd be passing. First it was way too long, and second could they have have crammed anymore boring done to death star wars tropes into that thing? pew-pew-pew, whoosh whiss, pew-pew...(vomit). And the 'cool' smuggler guy with his aussie outback hat and oilskin coat had me rolling on the floor. People who dress like that irl are openly mocked, ffs. The only thing funnier are the guys who try to dress like Spike from Buffy, especially in the summer.

And as far as the story goes, I guess if that floats your boat, then cool. I found it boring and annoying; a seemingly endless stream of quicktime events interrupting boring kill x of y.

And while I'm not a grafix whore, the low-rez cartoon vibe that works in WOW just ruins any potential immersion in TOR for me. I don't know what the technical problems are, but why can't they have graphics that scale with the machine the engine is running on?

But then again, I'm not a Star Wars fan and I only ever got my WOW character to level 23 before I quit playing that mmo, so I'm probably not the target demo. Nonetheless, I wanted to see what 1 or 2 hundred million in dev costs would create.

Still I'm glad I got to play the beta so I didn't have to drop $60 to cheggitout.
 

Anomaly1964

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yeah, I played me some beta and I knew from the opening movie that I'd be passing. First it was way too long, and second could they have have crammed anymore boring done to death star wars tropes into that thing? pew-pew-pew, whoosh whiss, pew-pew...(vomit). And the 'cool' smuggler guy with his aussie outback hat and oilskin coat had me rolling on the floor. People who dress like that irl are openly mocked, ffs. The only thing funnier are the guys who try to dress like Spike from Buffy, especially in the summer.

And as far as the story goes, I guess if that floats your boat, then cool. I found it boring and annoying; a seemingly endless stream of quicktime events interrupting boring kill x of y.

And while I'm not a grafix whore, the low-rez cartoon vibe that works in WOW just ruins any potential immersion in TOR for me. I don't know what the technical problems are, but why can't they have graphics that scale with the machine the engine is running on?

But then again, I'm not a Star Wars fan and I only ever got my WOW character to level 23 before I quit playing that mmo, so I'm probably not the target demo. Nonetheless, I wanted to see what 1 or 2 hundred million in dev costs would create.

Still I'm glad I got to play the beta so I didn't have to drop $60 to cheggitout.

Ya think? LOL
 

s44

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I took it to mean that as well. Sub is an actual word, not an abbreviation to the word subscription.
It's not an actual word, it's a prefix. I've never ever heard or seen the prefix used on its own, except to mean "submarine" or "subscription" -- that is, as an abbreviation.
 
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paperfist

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It's not an actual word, it's a prefix. I've never ever heard or seen the prefix used on its own, except to mean "submarine" or "subscription" -- that is, as an abbreviation.

Then it's a different word, not a pre-fix :)

He said 'sub based' and that roughly means inferior not subscription which is it's own word.

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So if you order SW:ToR and already got into the beta do you have to d/l it again? I notice that even though I didn't get another invite that my client is still updating to newer patches.
 

s44

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He said 'sub based' and that roughly means inferior not subscription which is it's own word.
No, it doesn't. There's no way you can take "below" and "based" and put them together to mean "inferior". ("Base", maybe, but the "based" clearly indicates something else.)

Anyway, enough of that dead Tauntaun. Bio has confirmed you don't need a full re-download, just patches. For some reason, the launcher isn't starting properly for me any more though.
 

Ross Ridge

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No, it doesn't. There's no way you can take "below" and "based" and put them together to mean "inferior". ("Base", maybe, but the "based" clearly indicates something else.)

Uh, no, the only thing "sub-based game" clearly indicates is that writer made a mistake.
I'd interpret those words as "clearly" refering to a "submarine based game", but in context that was obviously not what he ment. Since he was complaining about the game costing too much, the context didn't make it at all clear if that was because of the quality of the game or its revenue model. Given its revenue model is pretty much standard for an MMORPG at release, while on the other hand, a debate about its quality has been the main focus of this thread, I don't think it was unreasonable for anyone to assume he ment something like "sub-par game" and mispoke.
 

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I think most gamers actively involved in the MMO genre would have interpreted it as what he meant. Especially given the context of cost. But this is really a stupid discussion at this point, I just had to put in my superior opinion. :p

I, too, am really on the fence mostly about the $60 initial cost and then requiring the monthly sub. If this were an MMO that set itself apart from the rest of the genre that I would have no qualm. But it's just WoW with lightsabers and slightly more immersion, from my limited experience.
 

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Not trolling here, just not been paying too much attention to the release of TOR lately. Is 12.20.2011 still looking like the date, or will this get pushed?
 

s44

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No way it's delayed. If anything, it may be moved up so everyone gets "early access"... but I doubt that too.
 

Ross Ridge

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I think most gamers actively involved in the MMO genre would have interpreted it as what he meant. Especially given the context of cost. But this is really a stupid discussion at this point, I just had to put in my superior opinion. :p

I, too, am really on the fence mostly about the $60 initial cost and then requiring the monthly sub. If this were an MMO that set itself apart from the rest of the genre that I would have no qualm. But it's just WoW with lightsabers and slightly more immersion, from my limited experience.

If you're going to call it "highway robbery" I think you need to give a bit more explanation on why you think its so given that this is how just about every major MMORPG has priced its game at release. An intial cost of $50 or $60 to buy the game, including one month free, but afterwards you need pay $15 a month to continue playing is not just normal for a new MMORPG, it's almost a certainty.

If you think the game is crap then, yah, any price is going to seem like highway robbery to you, but otherwise this is just business as usual.
 

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I preordered the game the day it was available. I've been in the beta for two phases (prior to the beta weekend) and I must say they've made great strides. I don't think I've been this excited for a game before, other than BF3.
 

crownjules

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If you're going to call it "highway robbery" I think you need to give a bit more explanation on why you think its so given that this is how just about every major MMORPG has priced its game at release. An intial cost of $50 or $60 to buy the game, including one month free, but afterwards you need pay $15 a month to continue playing is not just normal for a new MMORPG, it's almost a certainty.

If you think the game is crap then, yah, any price is going to seem like highway robbery to you, but otherwise this is just business as usual.

I think I explained myself fairly well. The MMORPG industry has done the EQ/WOW model to death. Every new game has it's hooks - a setting for a particular group of nerds to drool over, or a few new curveballs added to the same formula, or the lure of some new amazing mechanic - that only serve to cover up the same core mechanics as every other game out there. And until a dev steps forward that seeks to shake up this 10+ year old paradigm, it's not worth $50-60 upfront to me.

TOR played like more of the same. But I've loved the Star Wars movies since I was a boy and so the setting obviously appeals to me and I would play it despite it being SSDD, just not at that price I think.
 

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Uh, no, the only thing "sub-based game" clearly indicates is that writer made a mistake.
I'd interpret those words as "clearly" refering to a "submarine based game", but in context that was obviously not what he ment. Since he was complaining about the game costing too much, the context didn't make it at all clear if that was because of the quality of the game or its revenue model. Given its revenue model is pretty much standard for an MMORPG at release, while on the other hand, a debate about its quality has been the main focus of this thread, I don't think it was unreasonable for anyone to assume he ment something like "sub-par game" and mispoke.

This is pretty incorrect.

If you "clearly" took the term "sub" to refer to a "submarine based game", then you took the term "sub" as an abbreviation of the word "submarine", which also means that the term "sub" could also refer to the term "subscription" (and, admittingly, "sub-par") hence the phrase "sub-based game". I suppose if the game involved submarines, that could be an easy mistake.

The phrase "sub-par based game" does not make sense in terms of sentence structure, so this obviously cannot be it. Therefore, the only actual logical possibility left is that I used the term "sub" as an abbreviation of the word "subscription", again hence the phrase "sub(scription) based game", which makes sense in terms of sentence structure, the actual topic at hand, and my initial complaint (see below).

My complaint was regarding the initial $60 price tag on top of the additional sub price (be sure not to confuse this with a phrase such as "submarine price"). I realize that WoW opened with a $50 price tag here in the US, but considering how successful the sub-based game model has become, I would hope that video game companies would give us a break and lower the initial cost of purchasing our copy instead of raising the price.
 

s44

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Given that TOR has probably already sold north of 3 million copies at the full-AAA price, I'd say EA made the smart (or, rather, *not totally insane*) decision here.

But I don't see the problem you have. Buy TOR. Play it for a month. Do you seriously play single-player games longer than that? If you do, aren't they worth more than $60 anyway?
 
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gothamhunter

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Given that TOR has probably already sold north of 3 million copies at the full-AAA price, I'd say EA made the smart (or, actually, *not totally insane*) decision here.

Of course it was smart to sell it at the initial price point of $60; those with disposable income to use on an MMORPG are more than willing to dish out the monies. I, however, will have to wait until the initial cost goes down because I cannot justify the $60 price point for only getting a month's worth out of the game.
 

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Ross Ridge

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The phrase "sub-par based game" does not make sense in terms of sentence structure, so this obviously cannot be it.

The phrase "sub-par game" does however make sense, and has already been explained that is not an unreasonable interpretation of what you said. People make mistakes like that on Internet all the time, using one word when they mean another completely different one. It made more sense to me that you were calling it highway robbery because of the quality of the game than because the game was doing what pretty much every other MMORPG has done.

I'm not trying to bash you personally here, god knows my posts are full of issue, just defending an interpretation I don't think was the least bit unreasonable given the circumstances. To put it frankly, when I see a post that has several possible interpretations, I try to go with the one where the poster looks the most reasonable, and in this case it's the "sub-par" interpretation.