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[Hitman928]

Is the 5950x also Nov 5? Anyone in the market for a 3950x?

It launches Nov 5 as well.

 

[MrTeal]

You have to consider its faster than its predecessors, and they did not start out at 329. Look at current Intel prices ? and AMD beats them all.

The 3700X was $329, it was the 3800X that was $399. We'll have to see if they fill in the stack with a lower clocked 8 core part at a <$400 price point.

 

[Kenmitch]

It would have been crazy funny if AMD had a mole in Intels HQ showing a live feed....Would have been worth a million bucks views.

 

[ElFenix]

Is the 5950x also Nov 5? Anyone in the market for a 3950x?

yeah i think she said that

 

[tamz_msc]

Ignoring LoL and CS:GO as outliers, the average gaming uplift is ~5% over the 10900K. With a modest all-core OC of 5.1GHz coupled with fast memory the 10900K will have no problems taking the gaming crown, and Rocket Lake will be comfortably ahead if it can clock to ~5GHz. So near yet so far.

 

[ElFenix]

*ignoring two of the most commonly played games* is like saying the S&P 500 is flat if you ignore amazon and apple.

 

[Shivansps]

Regardless on how good they are, $300 for a 6C/12T in 2021 is a lot, all 6Cs should be below $200 at this point, not going up like this.

 

[Racan]

Ignoring LoL and CS:GO as outliers, the average gaming uplift is ~5% over the 10900K. With a modest all-core OC of 5.1GHz coupled with fast memory the 10900K will have no problems taking the gaming crown, and Rocket Lake will be comfortably ahead if it can clock to ~5GHz. So near yet so far.

What's the bottleneck you think, still memory latency?

 

[StinkyPinky]

It's good, but probably not enough for me to move from 3900X to 5900X. Which is reasonable, I wasn't really their target for an upgrade anyway.

 

[tamz_msc]

*ignoring two of the most commonly played games* is like saying the S&P 500 is flat if you ignore amazon and apple.

That's why you always want to see a breakdown when dealing with averages.

 

[tamz_msc]

What's the bottleneck you think, still memory latency?

Obviously.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Nov. 5th Ryzen 5000 series will be available.

5900X $549
5800X $449
5600X $299

26% increase in performance on average @ 1080p

5900X Single thread Cinebench 631
5950X Single thread Cinebench 640?

And a 50% increase in price for their hexacore... blech

 

[Kenmitch]

Regardless on how good they are, $300 for a 6C/12T in 2021 is a lot, all 6Cs should be below $200 at this point, not going up like this.

You're very consistent in a bad way.

 

[CastleBravo]

Regardless on how good they are, $300 for a 6C/12T in 2021 is a lot, all 6Cs should be below $200 at this point, not going up like this.

Yeah, I think I'm gonna go with a 3600 and put that extra money into a more powerful GPU. CPU shouldn't be a a bottleneck at 3440x1440 144hz. I hope AMD puts out something comparable to the 3080, or I don't think I'll be getting any of their new products for my next build.

 

[Markfw]

Ignoring LoL and CS:GO as outliers, the average gaming uplift is ~5% over the 10900K. With a modest all-core OC of 5.1GHz coupled with fast memory the 10900K will have no problems taking the gaming crown, and Rocket Lake will be comfortably ahead if it can clock to ~5GHz. So near yet so far.

OC vs stock ? You sure keep up the good try for Intel... What if they OC the 5900x ? And Rocket lake ??

Just keep dreaming....

 

[Carfax83]

Ignoring LoL and CS:GO as outliers, the average gaming uplift is ~5% over the 10900K. With a modest all-core OC of 5.1GHz coupled with fast memory the 10900K will have no problems taking the gaming crown, and Rocket Lake will be comfortably ahead if it can clock to ~5GHz. So near yet so far.

You're assuming the other games aren't GPU bottlenecked. They should have tested at 720p to further increase the load on the CPUs.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Man I was looking forward to Ryzen 5 5600. But I'm not going to pay historical i7 prices for straight midrange performance. Probably just go Intel with an i5-10400f instead.

 

[eek2121]

AMD is trying really hard to make us think Zen 3 is good at gaming, yet all we want is to run Cinebench.

That is the first thing I am going to run.

 

[tamz_msc]

You're assuming the other games aren't GPU bottlenecked. They should have tested at 720p to further increase the load on the CPUs.

DOTA 2 shouldn't be GPU-bottlenecked. I think 1080p High settings is adequate to judge CPU-bottlenecking because that is a more real-world scenario.

 

[ElFenix]

$88.41 lets see what happens

$86.98

 

[SMU_Pony]

Before the presentation the only CPU I was considering for my next build was a 3700X. After the presentation the only CPU I am considering for my next build is... a 3700X. Absolute price increase is an issue, regardless of improved price/performance. They do look like great CPU's though.

 

[Kenmitch]

And a 50% increase in price for their hexacore... blech

Comparing the 3600x to 5600x at retail there is a $50 price increase which seems reasonable to me. I shop at Microcenter for cpu's so it's yet to be seen what the actual pricing may be. Guessing full retail with a $50 off when purchased with a MB....Based on past launches.

Consider the price increase across the board as a Big Navi tax. It's the way I'm viewing it. People want AMD to compete in GPU's also. The wafers way more profitable as CPU's vs GPU's. The CPU's are way more profitable as EPYC vs Zen.

 

[tamz_msc]

OC vs stock ? You sure keep up the good try for Intel... What if they OC the 5900x ? And Rocket lake ??

Just keep dreaming....

There is no headroom left in Ryzen to OC. This is an established fact at this point. Zen 3 shouldn't be an exception. Even a modest memory tuning on Intel, like @JoeRambo has done on his system will put them ahead.

 

[Racan]

Please elaborate, how can a core that will have lower IPC ( by ~10%) and roughly the same clock speed be taking a gaming crown from AMD?

Zen 3 probably will have an IPC advantage in non gaming workloads but it seems that there are other bottlenecks still that keep the core from reaching it's potential in games.

 

[Heartbreaker]

Also, they raised pricing across the board? 8C/16T now starts with 449 vs 329 previously ?

Corporations aren't your friend. With AMD dominating Intel, they will start charging prices more like Intel.