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mizzou

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Enter your predictions on the poll or list them in the thread.


My predictions:

In under five years, airports will be forced to remove the usage of all body scanners due to privacy issues. Several cases of breaching privacy have led to the inability for human operators to remain totally separated from knowing the identity of airport customers.

The first few high profile cases involved persons of varying celebrity, and hundreds more have come to surface after a Federal investigation found that 33% of all airports had some type of violation reported due to a breach in privacy.

Atlanta, GA: TSA employees found in several offices posted, "Hot or Not" with mobile-phone snapshots of airport customers imposed next to their enhanced x-ray image.

Washington, DC: Certain TSA employees admitted to being responsible for several viral faux-inspirational images, such as the "The Truth Hurts" series that featured several airport customers without their names listed, however these names shortly came to light and were no longer incognito.

Miami, FL: TSA employees involved in the "Hard Hot and Wet Club" known secretly as HHWC were found abusing the x-ray imaging by having photographs of group intercourse with props, which were then posted on a pay-only website handled by a department manager of airport security.
 
Aikouka

Aikouka

Lifer
Nov 27, 2001
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I fail to see what exactly is unconstitutional about full body scanners. You provided evidence of people misusing devices that are meant to enhance safety (whether or not they truly do that is completely irrelevant).
 
2Xtreme21

2Xtreme21

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Give a bunch of high school dropouts minimum wage and put them to work "protecting our freedoms" in the TSA, and this is the kind of shit that happens.
 
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mizzou

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Aikouka said:
I fail to see what exactly is unconstitutional about full body scanners. You provided evidence of people misusing devices that are meant to enhance safety (whether or not they truly do that is completely irrelevant).
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It can only be a Privacy issue, so

EDIT: I would think it could be only best looked at under privacy

Do you have a right to expect privacy when it comes to allowing people to view your naked body? This is a yes.

Is a body-scan a reasonable intrusion into privacy for security purposes? Unless you strictly agree to it, probably not.

I think the big question we will see coming up soon is, "If you buy a plane ticket, what exactly are you agreeing to do, and how much of this is reasonable expectation?"


If we let people just bring body scanners wherever they want, it's the start of 1984 man and I'm not ready for that yet.
 
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imported_Champ

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These will only be ruled unconstitutional if it is made mandatory without a second choice.

What may be challenged is the procedure when an individual declines the body scan, and the lengths the TSA goes to search them.
 
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mizzou

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imported_Champ said:
These will only be ruled unconstitutional if it is made mandatory without a second choice.

What may be challenged is the procedure when an individual declines the body scan, and the lengths the TSA goes to search them.
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I read Penn & Teller's blog about this today and it's what got me thinking about when the first big case is going to come up, and it will come up soon, obviously there are tons of people willing to challenge it.
 
BoomerD

BoomerD

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Not gonna happen anytime in the near future. As long as the Islamic terrorists exist, and as long as they keep trying to bring down airplanes, people are going to continue clamoring for more stringent security measures.
If you don't like it, don't fly.
Personally, airport security is already a PITA and a joke designed to comfort the sheeple...and doesn't really address potential security issues, but until people are willing to accept the kinds of security measures that would TRULY make flying as safe as it can possibly be, band-aid measures are all that will ever be permitted.
The various airlines won't tolerate stronger security if it means a loss of passengers, or if it means slowing down air cargo shipments, so all the gubmint can do is make it look like they're doing something...without actually doing anything.

I remember being able to fly without any security checkpoints, being able to carry a buck knife on my belt, I brought tool boxes on board as carry-on luggage for years...the only thing that was ever really frowned on was firearms...yet there was no security too go through, so lots of people flew while packing. inconspicuously.
The "I'm hijacking this plane to Cuba" started the increase in airport security...and it continued to get worse and more invasive as the years went by...yet the 9-11 hijackers still managed to pull off their dirty deeds.

I'm not sure on what grounds the constitutionality of full-body scanners could be challenged. I don't think it would be "unconstitutionally unreasonable search & seizure," but IMO, that would be the ONLY thing that could be challenged.
 
Aikouka

Aikouka

Lifer
Nov 27, 2001
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mizzou said:
It can only be a Privacy issue, so

EDIT: I would think it could be only best looked at under privacy

Do you have a right to expect privacy when it comes to allowing people to view your naked body? This is a yes.

Is a body-scan a reasonable intrusion into privacy for security purposes? Unless you strictly agree to it, probably not.
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The thing is, the examples you gave were of juvenile workers whose greatest responsibility prior to being a TSA employee was remembering to ask, "Do you want fries with that?"

In other words, it sounds like the problem is with (some of) the people doing the scans not the scans.
 
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techs

techs

Lifer
Sep 26, 2000
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The companies that make the scanners have contracts totaling a half a billion dollars.

My guess is never.
 
mmntech

mmntech

Lifer
Sep 20, 2007
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mizzou said:
I read Penn & Teller's blog about this today and it's what got me thinking about when the first big case is going to come up, and it will come up soon, obviously there are tons of people willing to challenge it.
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I'm surprised nobody has sued over the pat-downs. People with zero police training are conducting police style invasive searches. Even the cops have to arrest you first.

Statistically speaking, these measures are not making flying safer. The odds of being in a terror attack on a plane are astronomical. That's as true today as it was a decade ago, before 9/11. The body scanners and pat downs are a political slight of hand. Designed to fool the public into thinking the government is doing something.

Israel has called our airline security laughable. El Al employs armed air marshals on every flight. They're far more effective than body scanners.

So far every security measure the US has employed is a response to an incident. Ordinary citizens have done a better job spotting the bad guys, the TSA hasn't caught a single terrorist.

It boggles my mind how people could defend such actions by their own government. The US government has done more to terrorize airline passengers than Bin Laden has. That country has finally gone off the deep end. To afraid to offend Muslims so lets just take away everyone's liberty and privacy.
 
Platypus

Platypus

Lifer
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mmntech said:
So far every security measure the US has employed is a response to an incident. Ordinary citizens have done a better job spotting the bad guys, the TSA hasn't caught a single terrorist.

It boggles my mind how people could defend such actions by their own government. The US government has done more to terrorize airline passengers than Bin Laden has. That country has finally gone off the deep end. To afraid to offend Muslims so lets just take away everyone's liberty and privacy.
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I don't get it either... feels like a bad movie. One thing's likely though, it's only going to get worse.
 
Capt Caveman

Capt Caveman

Lifer
Jan 30, 2005
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mmntech said:
I'm surprised nobody has sued over the pat-downs. People with zero police training are conducting police style invasive searches. Even the cops have to arrest you first.

Statistically speaking, these measures are not making flying safer. The odds of being in a terror attack on a plane are astronomical. That's as true today as it was a decade ago, before 9/11. The body scanners and pat downs are a political slight of hand. Designed to fool the public into thinking the government is doing something.

Israel has called our airline security laughable. El Al employs armed air marshals on every flight. They're far more effective than body scanners.

So far every security measure the US has employed is a response to an incident. Ordinary citizens have done a better job spotting the bad guys, the TSA hasn't caught a single terrorist.

It boggles my mind how people could defend such actions by their own government. The US government has done more to terrorize airline passengers than Bin Laden has. That country has finally gone off the deep end. To afraid to offend Muslims so lets just take away everyone's liberty and privacy.
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You're comparing Apples and Oranges. El Al is relatively a small airline and gets manpower assistance from the Israeli Army. Don't think people are going to be willing to go thru the interrogations that every individual goes thru when flying out of Ben Gurion. They also profile individuals and if they find anything inconsistent during the interrogation(asked the same question by multiple security individuals to check for consistency), you will be made to go thru a pat down.
 
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2Xtreme21

2Xtreme21

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BoomerD said:
Not gonna happen anytime in the near future. As long as the Islamic terrorists exist, and as long as they keep trying to bring down airplanes, people are going to continue clamoring for more stringent security measures.
If you don't like it, don't fly.
Personally, airport security is already a PITA and a joke designed to comfort the sheeple...and doesn't really address potential security issues, but until people are willing to accept the kinds of security measures that would TRULY make flying as safe as it can possibly be, band-aid measures are all that will ever be permitted.
The various airlines won't tolerate stronger security if it means a loss of passengers, or if it means slowing down air cargo shipments, so all the gubmint can do is make it look like they're doing something...without actually doing anything.

I remember being able to fly without any security checkpoints, being able to carry a buck knife on my belt, I brought tool boxes on board as carry-on luggage for years...the only thing that was ever really frowned on was firearms...yet there was no security too go through, so lots of people flew while packing. inconspicuously.
The "I'm hijacking this plane to Cuba" started the increase in airport security...and it continued to get worse and more invasive as the years went by...yet the 9-11 hijackers still managed to pull off their dirty deeds.

I'm not sure on what grounds the constitutionality of full-body scanners could be challenged. I don't think it would be "unconstitutionally unreasonable search & seizure," but IMO, that would be the ONLY thing that could be challenged.
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Can I rent a room in your bunker?

You're no safer now than you were the morning of 9/11/2001, FYI. Spend as much of our money as you want on these stupid screening machines and employing retards to run them-- if someone wants to bring down a plane, they're going to do it.
 
2Xtreme21

2Xtreme21

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Jun 13, 2004
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mmntech said:
It boggles my mind how people could defend such actions by their own government. The US government has done more to terrorize airline passengers than Bin Laden has. That country has finally gone off the deep end. To afraid to offend Muslims so lets just take away everyone's liberty and privacy.
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Exactly. What Americans don't understand is that Bin Laden has effectively won.
 
Riceninja

Riceninja

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May 21, 2008
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all we need is a random bomb in a random mall in some bumfuck nowhere midwest town and you can all kiss your civil rights goodbye, permanently.
 
Modelworks

Modelworks

Lifer
Feb 22, 2007
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I predict they will have no choice after thousands of lawsuits are filed against TSA workers accused of doing more than patting down for bombs.
 
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