***OFFICIAL*** Obama's Healthcare summit discussion thread

[cubby1223]

There is already language in the bill that says federal funds can't be used for abortions. The Stupak amendment would essentially lead to the elimination of ALL insurance coverage for abortion, not just plans that appeared on the exchange. It would also hinder the states abilities to choose to offer abortion coverage to Medicaid recipients (using state funds). It was an amendment essentially pushed for by U.S. Catholic bishops, whose position on abortion is quite clear to anyone with a functional central nervous system. So much for separation of church and state.

Curious who's analysis is this?

Every now and then I check in on those opinion heads on MSNBC, and wow Maddow was in full conspiracy mode last night attacking Stupak! Going on about some secretive Christian mob pulling the strings of many of our representatives including Stupak. Her most damning evidence seems to be "We asked his office if this was true and they gave us no response." I couldn't take anything she was saying with a straight face. Then at the end of it stated that he will ban abortions with his language.

Stupak says he is against federal funding of abortions. Pelosi says this legislation will not allow federal funding of abortions. So why can they not come to an agreement?

Either way, wouldn't it be nice if we citizens actually knew what was in the bill before the government chooses to take over? This is just one example where we cannot even get a consensus on the facts of the bill *from those writing the bill*

Everyone out there is spinning everything every which way. Let's not even look at this from a morality stance - simple question, does this legislation use federal funds towards abortions or not? One or both of the sides either don't understand the bill or are trying to pull a fast one.


So yea, who was it that made the analysis which you repeated?

 

[cubby1223]

Seriously, President Obama gets up to the podium and states that the American public deserves an up or down vote on health care.

You know what?

JUST DO IT!

It has not been given an up or down vote yet, because as it currently stands, the legislation would fail the up or down vote. He's trying to blame this on obstructionist Republicans denying him the chance to vote. No, it's not being voted on because the house bill will not get 51% in the Senate, and the Senate bill will not get 51% in the House.

It's got nothing to do with any denial of opportunity to vote.

 

[Fern]

Seriously, President Obama gets up to the podium and states that the American public deserves an up or down vote on health care.

You know what?

JUST DO IT!

It has not been given an up or down vote yet, because as it currently stands, the legislation would fail the up or down vote. He's trying to blame this on obstructionist Republicans denying him the chance to vote. No, it's not being voted on because the house bill will not get 51% in the Senate, and the Senate bill will not get 51% in the House.

It's got nothing to do with any denial of opportunity to vote.

Exactly.

For all practical purposes (considering their current plan is for the House to pass the Senate version and then go on to use the reconciliation process to 'fix it up') the 'ball' is in Pelosi's court. She decide 'what & when' gets a vote in the House. It hasn't been voted on yet because she feels she doesn't have enough votes for passage.

Fern