*** Official Intel Pentium 4 EE and Athlon 64 Thread ***

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: Jmman
I am just glad AMD is including the Nforce3 mobo and the gigabyte of ECC PC3200 with their little giveaway......they have all the bases covered.....

I hate you right now :brokenheart: Congrats!!! :wine: Bring back all the news, gossip, and pics you can, and post those benchies ASAP for us to salivate over

 

[Cesar]

Originally posted by: Jmman
This thread is great. Makes me appreciate that chip that AMD is giving me at their launch event......I will give you guys the lowdown when I get back with my A64FX and how it performs....

nice! plz post your scores as soon you get your super rig :beer:

 

[Cesar]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181
Bottom line is the Athlon-64 is being released Tuesday... when is this P4 with 2 MB L3 cache being released? When is the Prescott being released? You're welcome to speculate that Tuesday will be nothing more than a paper launch, but I find that hard to believe since this date has been established for months and months, which has given AMD time to build up a large stock of them to get ready to distribute.

oh Athlon 64 is going to be released Tuesday man!! how much does it cost?

 

[Cesar]

Originally posted by: KenAF

I expect it to be cheaper than this $800 folly.

Uhh no. The Athlon 64 3200+ and Prescott 3200 will be cheaper ($420-$475), but the P4 Extreme Edition is not meant to compete with that; the P4 Extreme Edition is meant to compete with the high-end Athlon64 FX51. Companies are taking preorders on the Athlon64 FX51 at between $800 and $900, as you can see here, here, here, and here.

ah sorry guys I'm such a dumbass today! KenAf posted the prices

 

[BDSM]

The P4EE is in my humble opinion a way for Intel to retain the performance crown until they are able to release the prescott. If the P4EE can't retain the overall performance crown it will surely make things very close.
Close enough for AMD to not be able to charge as much as they would want for the A64FX since ppl are not as likely to pay big bucks for AMD as they are for Intel because Intel is by most considered to be the performance leader.

The Opteron is however a completely different case in my opinion. It is here and it seems to scale incredibly well, almost 90% extra performance in some apps for a second cpu. Compared to around 2-40% for other cpus.
The many super computer wins are a testament to the nice scaling of the Opteron.

One thing that hasn't been mentioned (I think) in this thread is 64 bit code and what it could do for the A64 and Opteron. If windows for A64 is released around new year and gives a healthy boost (my idea of a healthy performance boost being anything between 7-20 %) could seriously tilt the situation over in AMD's favour.

But then again.. The prescott will feature no less than 125 million trannies which is more than even the P4EE despite only having around half as much cache!!.. That gives a little hint on how much Intel has changed on the core.

So.. what is my conclusion?.. I dunno.. We'll just have to wait and see. I am looking forward to readin the reviews this tuesday very much and I hope for Amd and all consumers sake that the A64 performs as well as we want it to.

Peace.

 

[JFL]

I'd wait for some benchmark before salivating on the P4 EE. The Athlon 64 is quite amazing when it comes to games and other programs. I think final judgement will only be available around december/january, when mobo makers are done tweaking there Athlon 64 boards. And there still the performance that will come from Windows 64 and all software that will have been optimized for Athlon 64, but I wouldn't count on seeing mainstream software till the end of 2004.

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: Cesar

Originally posted by: Jeff7181
Bottom line is the Athlon-64 is being released Tuesday... when is this P4 with 2 MB L3 cache being released? When is the Prescott being released? You're welcome to speculate that Tuesday will be nothing more than a paper launch, but I find that hard to believe since this date has been established for months and months, which has given AMD time to build up a large stock of them to get ready to distribute.

oh Athlon 64 is going to be released Tuesday man!! how much does it cost?

Do you have a source on this or on any of your 1 line claims???? I don't doubt the claims but you make statements as if they are fact but I feel you don't really know and therefore should state In My Opinion...remember AMD has paper launched all its last cpus, but it isn't in a rush to beat any certain Intel chip out the door. This may prove it wont be a papaer launch but who really knows until then. The last amd paper launches were to beat newer Intel chips so this is a bit of tit for tat with Intel and its p4ee. Those paper lauched amd chips came out or were available in large quantities to other then oems as much as 2 months later long after intel released its chip amd beat to the door. This is pure marketing BS....


Also OEMs seem to get first serve and while you may be able to buy it through retailers the intial stock may be low for weeks.

 

[First]

Originally posted by: Duvie

Originally posted by: Cesar

Originally posted by: Jeff7181
Bottom line is the Athlon-64 is being released Tuesday... when is this P4 with 2 MB L3 cache being released? When is the Prescott being released? You're welcome to speculate that Tuesday will be nothing more than a paper launch, but I find that hard to believe since this date has been established for months and months, which has given AMD time to build up a large stock of them to get ready to distribute.

oh Athlon 64 is going to be released Tuesday man!! how much does it cost?

Do you have a source on this or on any of your 1 line claims???? I don't doubt the claims but you make statements as if they are fact but I feel you don't really know and therefore should state In My Opinion...remember AMD has paper launched all its last cpus, but it isn't in a rush to beat any certain Intel chip out the door. This may prove it wont be a papaer launch but who really knows until then. The last amd paper launches were to beat newer Intel chips so this is a bit of tit for tat with Intel and its p4ee. Those paper lauched amd chips came out or were available in large quantities to other then oems as much as 2 months later long after intel released its chip amd beat to the door. This is pure marketing BS....


Also OEMs seem to get first serve and while you may be able to buy it through retailers the intial stock may be low for weeks.

You can purchase A64 boards and CPUs right now (check pricewatch), and will have much more variety in the next 7-10 days.

 

[classy]

Originally posted by: Duvie

Originally posted by: Cesar

Originally posted by: Jeff7181
Bottom line is the Athlon-64 is being released Tuesday... when is this P4 with 2 MB L3 cache being released? When is the Prescott being released? You're welcome to speculate that Tuesday will be nothing more than a paper launch, but I find that hard to believe since this date has been established for months and months, which has given AMD time to build up a large stock of them to get ready to distribute.

oh Athlon 64 is going to be released Tuesday man!! how much does it cost?

Do you have a source on this or on any of your 1 line claims???? I don't doubt the claims but you make statements as if they are fact but I feel you don't really know and therefore should state In My Opinion...remember AMD has paper launched all its last cpus, but it isn't in a rush to beat any certain Intel chip out the door. This may prove it wont be a papaer launch but who really knows until then. The last amd paper launches were to beat newer Intel chips so this is a bit of tit for tat with Intel and its p4ee. Those paper lauched amd chips came out or were available in large quantities to other then oems as much as 2 months later long after intel released its chip amd beat to the door. This is pure marketing BS....


Also OEMs seem to get first serve and while you may be able to buy it through retailers the intial stock may be low for weeks.

What are you talking about? AMD hasn't had a paper launch in god knows how long. Opteron and was in short supply due to the demand was greater than anticipated, but besides that I think your clueless. AMD since the introduction of the original Athlon has been pretty good in that department. All the newer chips have been available when they were launched or not soon after. I think your just an Intel lackey, lol.

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: classy
What are you talking about? AMD hasn't had a paper launch in god knows how long. Opteron and was in short supply due to the demand was greater than anticipated, but besides that I think your clueless. AMD since the introduction of the original Athlon has been pretty good in that department. All the newer chips have been available when they were launched or not soon after. I think your just an Intel lackey, lol.

One only needs to look back less than a year to see AMD's recent history of paper launches. http://www.anandtech.com/cpu/showdoc.html?i=1718 The entire front page of that article is about their succession of paper launches.

(The moral of this story... Might want to do just a little bit of research before calling others "clueless".)

That being said, I doubt that A64 will have much of a supply problem. AMD has learned from their mistakes and delayed A64 until they were truly ready to deliver... But we'll see for sure over the next couple of weeks.

 

[MadRat]

A single processor P4EE should demolish a single AMD64 chip. Its when you go to duals that the big difference will be realized.

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: classy

Originally posted by: Duvie

Originally posted by: Cesar

Originally posted by: Jeff7181
Bottom line is the Athlon-64 is being released Tuesday... when is this P4 with 2 MB L3 cache being released? When is the Prescott being released? You're welcome to speculate that Tuesday will be nothing more than a paper launch, but I find that hard to believe since this date has been established for months and months, which has given AMD time to build up a large stock of them to get ready to distribute.

oh Athlon 64 is going to be released Tuesday man!! how much does it cost?

Do you have a source on this or on any of your 1 line claims???? I don't doubt the claims but you make statements as if they are fact but I feel you don't really know and therefore should state In My Opinion...remember AMD has paper launched all its last cpus, but it isn't in a rush to beat any certain Intel chip out the door. This may prove it wont be a papaer launch but who really knows until then. The last amd paper launches were to beat newer Intel chips so this is a bit of tit for tat with Intel and its p4ee. Those paper lauched amd chips came out or were available in large quantities to other then oems as much as 2 months later long after intel released its chip amd beat to the door. This is pure marketing BS....


Also OEMs seem to get first serve and while you may be able to buy it through retailers the intial stock may be low for weeks.

What are you talking about? AMD hasn't had a paper launch in god knows how long. Opteron and was in short supply due to the demand was greater than anticipated, but besides that I think your clueless. AMD since the introduction of the original Athlon has been pretty good in that department. All the newer chips have been available when they were launched or not soon after. I think your just an Intel lackey, lol.

OK...Sure thing assy!!!

I guess you forgot about the whole barton and xp line from 2600+ to 3000+...The only clueless one is you....This was and is common knowledge. I admit some of the chips were swallowed up by oem dealers first but many here in the forums unless buying a complete system could not purchase a chip for quite a bit. Even AMD users were a bit upset about it....What were you spending all your time at the porn sites, cause you couldn't have been here....

What is your definition of soon after??? (This could be funny!!)

I am hardly and INtel lackey, boy!! I am a fan of computer hardware and migrate back and forth and many here can attest to that....Can you say the same???

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: classy
What are you talking about? AMD hasn't had a paper launch in god knows how long. Opteron and was in short supply due to the demand was greater than anticipated, but besides that I think your clueless. AMD since the introduction of the original Athlon has been pretty good in that department. All the newer chips have been available when they were launched or not soon after. I think your just an Intel lackey, lol.

One only needs to look back less than a year to see AMD's recent history of paper launches. http://www.anandtech.com/cpu/showdoc.html?i=1718 The entire front page of that article is about their succession of paper launches.

(The moral of this story... Might want to do just a little bit of research before calling others "clueless".)

That being said, I doubt that A64 will have much of a supply problem. AMD has learned from their mistakes and delayed A64 until they were truly ready to deliver... But we'll see for sure over the next couple of weeks.

I admit I don't think this necessarily will be a paper launch since A) they have had plenty of time...B) they are not in a rush to better a Intel chip due relatively quickly...C)They might have look at how the other paper launches were perceived by the hardware community.

I still think supply may be slow and limited initialy (quickly sell out with 1-2 week restock times) since I am sure the oem's will get supplied first....

 

[SinfulWeeper]

As many of you know I am a Intel fanboy...
But I must say whoever came up with the idea of 2MB L3 cache is a strait up dolt. The CPU would be much better off if the L1 cache were increased first and the L2 brought up to 2MB. This L3 is going to be a joke, I am sure of it. Plus I do not think the chip will be much of a OC'er.

 

[68GTX]

They did a little P4 EE overclocking Here.

Pentium 4 Extreme Edition vs Athlon 64/ Athlon FX Benchmarks @ X86-Secret

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: SinfulWeeper
As many of you know I am a Intel fanboy...
But I must say whoever came up with the idea of 2MB L3 cache is a strait up dolt.

So, you're saying that the designers at Intel aren't bright people?

(Btw, you misspelled "straight." )

 

[NFactor]

This chip is an act of desparation from Intel, its NDA is set to expire on September 23rd, hmm....now that date was so random.

I have also read that Intel has said this particular chip's performance is better than the Prescott 3.2's. I am not an AMD fanbody, in fact most of my computer systems are Intel P4's, but right now its looking like Intel is a little worried and wants to counter AMD64 and I believe that the FX will still toast the EE. The early tests from the FX show it taking the title in some games by up to 40 - 50 percent.

But then again this is all speculation until Tuesday.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Let's all wait until more traditional testers start posting benchmarks. Because frankly, no numbers can be for certain yet.

 

[acx]

Intel and AMD would probably love to increase the size of L1 and L2 cache. But current SRAM technology limits the performance of large caches. Larger caches means more latency which is undesirable for caches closer to the datapath of the CPU. On another note, anyone know the memory footprint of SPEC kernels? If they all fit in the 2MB L3 cache, then maybe SPECint wouldn't be indicative of perf of real world apps that have larger footprints?

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: Evan Lieb

Originally posted by: Duvie

Originally posted by: Cesar

Originally posted by: Jeff7181
Bottom line is the Athlon-64 is being released Tuesday... when is this P4 with 2 MB L3 cache being released? When is the Prescott being released? You're welcome to speculate that Tuesday will be nothing more than a paper launch, but I find that hard to believe since this date has been established for months and months, which has given AMD time to build up a large stock of them to get ready to distribute.

oh Athlon 64 is going to be released Tuesday man!! how much does it cost?

Do you have a source on this or on any of your 1 line claims???? I don't doubt the claims but you make statements as if they are fact but I feel you don't really know and therefore should state In My Opinion...remember AMD has paper launched all its last cpus, but it isn't in a rush to beat any certain Intel chip out the door. This may prove it wont be a papaer launch but who really knows until then. The last amd paper launches were to beat newer Intel chips so this is a bit of tit for tat with Intel and its p4ee. Those paper lauched amd chips came out or were available in large quantities to other then oems as much as 2 months later long after intel released its chip amd beat to the door. This is pure marketing BS....


Also OEMs seem to get first serve and while you may be able to buy it through retailers the intial stock may be low for weeks.

You can purchase A64 boards and CPUs right now (check pricewatch), and will have much more variety in the next 7-10 days.

Must....resist.....don't......say..it.

Owned.

 

[Ray5150Ray]

Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
I can see 2 reasons why Intel would give so much cache to the P4.

1.) They know the performance of the Athlon 64 will decisively beat a normal P4 and the extra cache will somewhat even things up

2.) They know the performance of the Athlon 64 will give top end P4's more than a good run and the extra cache will give them back the lead

Something tells me it's closer to reason #1 than #2...

What really constitutes a "normal" P4....wouldn't it be safe to assume that since Intel has already decided to bump the cache that these are now considered "normal" P4s?? I am not a psychic but I agree with a few of the others, to think that intel will sit idly by and let AMD gain a performance lead is pretty silly....only time will tell what the future holds.

Um, Prescot? Isn't that Intel's solution to the Athlon 64? Prescot which = .09 micron fab and 1MB of L2 cache? Of which the P4 Extreme Edition is still 512KB of L2?

The only difference between the Extreme Edition 3.2GHz P4 and teh "Normal" 3.2GHz P4 is the EXTRA 2MB of L3 cache, not as fast as L2 but probably worth it to reduce memory latency. When I say "normal P4" I'm meaning the ones that don't have 2MB of L2 cache. I say this because I assume Intel has stopped the P4 at 3.2GHz (of which I believe the Prescot will get a new name, P5 or PV or whatever) and I believe all they did was add 2MB of L3 cache to their flagship P4 chip, making it their "Extreme Edition" P4. "Extreme Edition", why in the hell call it "Extreme Edition" if all the new "editions" of the P4 are going to have the same 2MB of L3 cache. If you ask me the Extreme Edition P4 is going to be the last P4, from 1.3GHz to 3.2GHz and quite a bit of cache later, I'd say the P4 is pretty much done, time for P5 against the Athlon 64. Intel is just "rushing" this last bad boy P4 because Prescot apparently won't be ready/cheap enough to compete with the Athlon 64...

Intel has a press release that says Prescot will be ready by the end of the year.

Read it here...

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Ready is quite a bit different from selling in large quantities. All I read there is that Intel will be mass producing the CPUs by then, it doesn't mean they'll yet be largely distributed and therefore a CPU like the P4EE will be a clutch method for Intel to either sound fast or actually perform fast until they can get some reinforcements with some bigger and better guns...

 

[Ray5150Ray]

Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
Ready is quite a bit different from selling in large quantities. All I read there is that Intel will be mass producing the CPUs by then, it doesn't mean they'll yet be largely distributed and therefore a CPU like the P4EE will be a clutch method for Intel to either sound fast or actually perform fast until they can get some reinforcements with some bigger and better guns...

I never said selling, just ready. But there has been so much around them having trouble even getting this far with the Prescot. Mostly, from what I've been reading, they are having a serious problem getting HSF units big enough to keep them "cool". If what I've been reading is correct, they give the XP chip a run for their money in the heat dept. If that's true, AMD will possibly lose that crown for once. I think I read here on Anandtech that these chips will almost HAVE to be water cooled.

Anyway, it'll be interesting to see how the next 6 to 9 months play out!

 

[Ray5150Ray]

Get a translator and check this out. Let's stop the bitching because it's published now...Linky

Check out this part of the review. Pictures are worth a thousand werdz! Linky

Keep in mind, I'm partial to AMD, but give props when they are due...

 

[Cesar]

athlon 64 is losing every benchmark!!!!