Official: Honda S2000 to get 2.2L

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NFS4

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Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: BCYL
Originally posted by: SuperTool
2.2 is not enough. It should have at least 3.5 liters. Another gutless wonder from Honda.

Such a big engine would totally mess up the perfect front/rear weight distribution of the S2000...

Also the S2000 has always been built with road racing in mind... 2.2L is good enough for that purpose...

350Z has a near perfect weight distribution with a 3.5L. With 274 lbft of torque. Time for Honda to get with the program.

The 350Z is 400 lbs heavier than the S2000 and roughly just as fast. Let's not even talk about handling. Smoke on dem apples.

Don't get me wrong, the 350Z is nice, but the 350Z is NOT a better sports car than the S2000.
 

Eli

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Originally posted by: Millennium
Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: isekii
Originally posted by: BCYL
Originally posted by: isekii
Originally posted by: Phuz
Originally posted by: boyRacer
Originally posted by: rubenswm
Originally posted by: boyRacer
supposed to be called the S2200 right?

I believe they are keeping the S2000 name

That would be pretty ghey... oh well... :)

Yep.

Awesome. Can't wait to hear specs.

TORQUE, PLEASE.

it already has enough to beat a lot of the stock cars if launched right.
i wonder why honda doesn't offer a super charger as an option
that would be pretty cool

With S2000's high compression, it would be pretty hard to do Force Induction while having it reliable...

Not saying it's impossible, probably just need a lot of work in cooling and engine management to keep it from blowing up...

they already do offer one for the s2k from comptech that basically adds about 100hp and 100 torque... not too sure how reliable it is yet :(
Even if you had to throw a bottle of octane booster into the tank each time, it would be worth it.

LOL what is a bottle of octane booster going to do? Raise the octane by 0.1 points? The better idea would be to keep a 50 Gallon drum of 110 octane laying to mix with 94 octane. This is of course if you can't find a station near you that has 110 octane at the pump.
Yeah, I agree.. I don't know why I suggested an octane booster, I know I would never use such a thing. :p

It depends on the bottle, and of course, the size of your fuel tank, but they generally raise the octane rating by at least a couple of points, and in some cases as much as 7. :)
 

Rent

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Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: BCYL
Originally posted by: SuperTool 2.2 is not enough. It should have at least 3.5 liters. Another gutless wonder from Honda.
Such a big engine would totally mess up the perfect front/rear weight distribution of the S2000... Also the S2000 has always been built with road racing in mind... 2.2L is good enough for that purpose...
350Z has a near perfect weight distribution with a 3.5L. With 274 lbft of torque. Time for Honda to get with the program.
The 350Z is 400 lbs heavier than the S2000 and roughly just as fast. Let's not even talk about handling. Smoke on dem apples. Don't get me wrong, the 350Z is nice, but the 350Z is NOT a better sports car than the S2000.

Pretty much my thoughts, though the Z is a very worthy competitor.

And Supertool, stop being such... well... a tool
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Mill

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Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: Millennium
Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: isekii
Originally posted by: BCYL
Originally posted by: isekii
Originally posted by: Phuz
Originally posted by: boyRacer
Originally posted by: rubenswm
Originally posted by: boyRacer
supposed to be called the S2200 right?

I believe they are keeping the S2000 name

That would be pretty ghey... oh well... :)

Yep.

Awesome. Can't wait to hear specs.

TORQUE, PLEASE.

it already has enough to beat a lot of the stock cars if launched right.
i wonder why honda doesn't offer a super charger as an option
that would be pretty cool

With S2000's high compression, it would be pretty hard to do Force Induction while having it reliable...

Not saying it's impossible, probably just need a lot of work in cooling and engine management to keep it from blowing up...

they already do offer one for the s2k from comptech that basically adds about 100hp and 100 torque... not too sure how reliable it is yet :(
Even if you had to throw a bottle of octane booster into the tank each time, it would be worth it.

LOL what is a bottle of octane booster going to do? Raise the octane by 0.1 points? The better idea would be to keep a 50 Gallon drum of 110 octane laying to mix with 94 octane. This is of course if you can't find a station near you that has 110 octane at the pump.
Yeah, I agree.. I don't know why I suggested an octane booster, I know I would never use such a thing. :p

It depends on the bottle, and of course, the size of your fuel tank, but they generally raise the octane rating by at least a couple of points, and in some cases as much as 7. :)

That is what the bottle of octane booster says, but it doesn't actually raise the octane of the fuel that much. The Octane booster would have to be AWFULLY high in octane to raise 93 to a level to prevent detonation.
 

geno

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Pretty cool - this new engine, plus with the new S2000R model, the S2000 is going to help its name out quite a bit with a bigger performance presence :cool:
 

Siddhartha

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Originally posted by: geno
Pretty cool - this new engine, plus with the new S2000R model, the S2000 is going to help its name out quite a bit with a bigger performance presence :cool:


What is the S2000R, can you provide a link?
 

Mani

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Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: BCYL
Originally posted by: SuperTool
2.2 is not enough. It should have at least 3.5 liters. Another gutless wonder from Honda.

Such a big engine would totally mess up the perfect front/rear weight distribution of the S2000...

Also the S2000 has always been built with road racing in mind... 2.2L is good enough for that purpose...

350Z has a near perfect weight distribution with a 3.5L. With 274 lbft of torque. Time for Honda to get with the program.

The 350Z is 400 lbs heavier than the S2000 and roughly just as fast. Let's not even talk about handling. Smoke on dem apples.

Don't get me wrong, the 350Z is nice, but the 350Z is NOT a better sports car than the S2000.

Problem is, the S2000 is only as fast when you rev it to the sky and launch it perfectly. It's a great car, no doubt, but I wouldn't want it as a daily driver.
 

geno

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Originally posted by: Dr Smooth
Originally posted by: geno
Pretty cool - this new engine, plus with the new S2000R model, the S2000 is going to help its name out quite a bit with a bigger performance presence :cool:


What is the S2000R, can you provide a link?

As long as this isn't a fake.. though after searching for a link, there were very few links reporting on the car...not a good sign. I had read the article some time back and thought I'd see more on it but apparently not (yet at least)

EDIT - In fact, I'm pretty sure this is a fake article now that I think about it :( There'd be so much more hype surrounding a car like this... there's really nothing out there concerning an R version of this car.
 

mAdD INDIAN

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btw the 2.2L in the S2000 isn't fake, I saw a scan of a Honda memo or something mentioning it (maybe it was posted earlier in this thread, dind't read all of it).

Also the 350Z and S2000 are two totally different cars, in terms of execution. Personally, I would want to own both.

About peakyness, has anyone ever seen the dyno for a stock S2000? It has about the flatest torque curve I've ever seen.
 

geno

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Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN
btw the 2.2L in the S2000 isn't fake, I saw a scan of a Honda memo or something mentioning it (maybe it was posted earlier in this thread, dind't read all of it).

He means the S2000R that I mentioned, which apparently is fake. Too bad too, would've been a great competitor to some of the higher class drop top roadsters...
 

SuperTool

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Originally posted by: Mani
Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: BCYL
Originally posted by: SuperTool
2.2 is not enough. It should have at least 3.5 liters. Another gutless wonder from Honda.

Such a big engine would totally mess up the perfect front/rear weight distribution of the S2000...

Also the S2000 has always been built with road racing in mind... 2.2L is good enough for that purpose...

350Z has a near perfect weight distribution with a 3.5L. With 274 lbft of torque. Time for Honda to get with the program.

The 350Z is 400 lbs heavier than the S2000 and roughly just as fast. Let's not even talk about handling. Smoke on dem apples.

Don't get me wrong, the 350Z is nice, but the 350Z is NOT a better sports car than the S2000.

Problem is, the S2000 is only as fast when you rev it to the sky and launch it perfectly. It's a great car, no doubt, but I wouldn't want it as a daily driver.

Exactly. The 350Z is a good sports car and a great everyday driver. I am just saying Honda needs to get with the torque program. You can disagree if you want to, but that's my opinion. I mean it's good that it can rev high and get HP just from revs, but most people don't launch at 5K rpm.
 

rubenswm

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Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN
btw the 2.2L in the S2000 isn't fake, I saw a scan of a Honda memo or something mentioning it (maybe it was posted earlier in this thread, dind't read all of it).

Also the 350Z and S2000 are two totally different cars, in terms of execution. Personally, I would want to own both.

About peakyness, has anyone ever seen the dyno for a stock S2000? It has about the flatest torque curve I've ever seen.

Yep, I meant the R article.
 

KokomoGST

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Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN
btw the 2.2L in the S2000 isn't fake, I saw a scan of a Honda memo or something mentioning it (maybe it was posted earlier in this thread, dind't read all of it).

Also the 350Z and S2000 are two totally different cars, in terms of execution. Personally, I would want to own both.

About peakyness, has anyone ever seen the dyno for a stock S2000? It has about the flatest torque curve I've ever seen.

Well, considering the max torque of the S2k is still quite low compared to many other cars out there... that's the main criticism. It takes a lot of wringing out on the engine to get it to make real power. You need to be on the VTEC lobes to get it to really move.

If they really want to get the S2k in 5second 0-60 territory then they need to severely upgrade that clutch or find even more torque down low.

Heck my old cammed/modded Neon makes more torque than the S2k at 3k rpm making it easy to launch. Compared to my pitifully near stock DSM, there's no comparison. All that aside, it's a wonderful roadster... but I'd buy a 350Z and mod that instead of getting a S2000.
 

mAdD INDIAN

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Originally posted by: KokomoGST
Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN
btw the 2.2L in the S2000 isn't fake, I saw a scan of a Honda memo or something mentioning it (maybe it was posted earlier in this thread, dind't read all of it).

Also the 350Z and S2000 are two totally different cars, in terms of execution. Personally, I would want to own both.

About peakyness, has anyone ever seen the dyno for a stock S2000? It has about the flatest torque curve I've ever seen.

Well, considering the max torque of the S2k is still quite low compared to many other cars out there... that's the main criticism. It takes a lot of wringing out on the engine to get it to make real power. You need to be on the VTEC lobes to get it to really move.

If they really want to get the S2k in 5second 0-60 territory then they need to severely upgrade that clutch or find even more torque down low.

Heck my old cammed/modded Neon makes more torque than the S2k at 3k rpm making it easy to launch. Compared to my pitifully near stock DSM, there's no comparison. All that aside, it's a wonderful roadster... but I'd buy a 350Z and mod that instead of getting a S2000.

150lb/ft of torque is more than enough for a 2500lbs car. And it has great gearing to take full advantage of that torque as well.

Personally I think of the S2000 as a bigger Miata which is a bigger British roadster. I think it has required power for its intended use. If you are going to be buying the S2k for 0-60 bragging rights, well then, you bought the wrong car.
 

jjyiz28

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Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN
Originally posted by: KokomoGST
Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN
btw the 2.2L in the S2000 isn't fake, I saw a scan of a Honda memo or something mentioning it (maybe it was posted earlier in this thread, dind't read all of it).

Also the 350Z and S2000 are two totally different cars, in terms of execution. Personally, I would want to own both.

About peakyness, has anyone ever seen the dyno for a stock S2000? It has about the flatest torque curve I've ever seen.

Well, considering the max torque of the S2k is still quite low compared to many other cars out there... that's the main criticism. It takes a lot of wringing out on the engine to get it to make real power. You need to be on the VTEC lobes to get it to really move.

If they really want to get the S2k in 5second 0-60 territory then they need to severely upgrade that clutch or find even more torque down low.

Heck my old cammed/modded Neon makes more torque than the S2k at 3k rpm making it easy to launch. Compared to my pitifully near stock DSM, there's no comparison. All that aside, it's a wonderful roadster... but I'd buy a 350Z and mod that instead of getting a S2000.

150lb/ft of torque is more than enough for a 2500lbs car. And it has great gearing to take full advantage of that torque as well.

Personally I think of the S2000 as a bigger Miata which is a bigger British roadster. I think it has required power for its intended use. If you are going to be buying the S2k for 0-60 bragging rights, well then, you bought the wrong car.

nope, s2000 wieghs in at a hefty 2800 lbs.

if you want to research cars that arnt sold anymore, such as supras, fbodies, rx-7, change the tab from new to used.

http://autos.msn.com/vip/specifications.aspx?modelid=10611&src=vip
 

mAdD INDIAN

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tigerbait

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My dad has a 02' S2000, and I don't like the digital speedo and tach. I think it would be a better with analog instruments. That may be part of the "updated instrumentation."
 

Cfour

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The horsepower of this car is not the problem. The problem is the torque it makes, and where the horsepower is available. I'm quite sure driving around at 8000+rpms all day long to get power would get quite old. If the S2k can get more torque and make its power around 5-7k rpms, it will be a very sweet ass car.
 

Ns1

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Originally posted by: Cfour
The horsepower of this car is not the problem. The problem is the torque it makes, and where the horsepower is available. I'm quite sure driving around at 8000+rpms all day long to get power would get quite old. If the S2k can get more torque and make its power around 5-7k rpms, it will be a very sweet ass car.

i can totally agree. i'd much rather have the s2k as a weekend driver because it's fun as shiz, but the speed of an s2k is directly proportional to how high you're willing to rev it. i mean unless your racing up hills you don't really need all that torque

i'd rather have the Z for a daily but the s2k for a weekend