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~~~Official Harry Potter and The Deathly Hallows Thread~~~

PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD SPOILER FREE for the time being...after most people have read it and want to discuss it, spoiler warnings are required.


Anyway I cannot wait for the 7th book to come out. While I am older than your average fan (27) the book reads like a good movie and I cannot wait for the plot lines to be tied up. I will get the book the next day, no midnight runs for me, probably at Wal-Mart or B&N's if I can get a discount.

Who plans to get it overnight?


Anyway here are some things that have been discussed and are getting my thoughts excited about it:

What is known about the plot

Rowling completed the book while staying at the Balmoral Hotel in Edinburgh in January 2007, and left a signed statement on a marble bust of Hermes in her room which read: "JK Rowling finished writing Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows in this room (652) on 11 January 2007".[36] She has stated that the final volume relates very closely to the previous book in the series, Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince, so much so that the two books are "almost as though they are two halves of the same novel."[37] Prior to completing the manuscript, Rowling stated that she could not change the ending of the book, even if she wanted to. "These books have been plotted for such a long time, and for six books now, that they're all leading a certain direction. So, I really can't."[13]

Unresolved plot elements from previous books

* Harry will return to the home of his Muggle relatives, the Dursleys (whose cooperation has been requested by Albus Dumbledore), during the school holiday. The magical protection Dumbledore arranged, which requires Harry to have a home with them, is set to expire on his upcoming birthday, when he comes of age.HBP Ch.4

* Harry plans to visit the remains of his parents' home in Godric's Hollow. Ron Weasley and Hermione Granger plan on accompanying him on this trip,HBP Ch.30 but it is unclear how he will get there as Wormtail was the secret keeper of the house. Although, being a resident of the house at the time of the secrecy, this might not be a problem.

* Bill Weasley and Fleur Delacour plan on getting married in August. Several of the main characters have been invited.HBP Ch.30

* Bill Weasley has been bitten by a werewolf (Fenrir Greyback); however, Fenrir was not fully transformed (he was not bitten on the day of a full moon), and we have yet to see the full effect of the bite. So far it has been said that Bill has developed a taste for raw meat.

* It is unclear what will happen to Hogwarts after the attack on the school at the end of Half-Blood Prince, but Harry has said he will leave school to continue his battle against Voldemort. If the school reopens, replacements will be required for Severus Snape (Defence Against the Dark Arts instructor and head of Slytherin house) and possibly Minerva McGonagall (Transfiguration instructor, head of Gryffindor house and deputy Headmistress) in the event that she becomes Headmistress.HBP Ch.29 HBP Ch.30

* Wormtail owes Harry a life debt that has not yet been repaid.

* Harry must destroy all of Voldemort's remaining Horcruxes before Voldemort can be defeated. Dumbledore believed there were a total of six, and that two so far have been destroyed (the Gaunt ring and Riddle's diary). Dumbledore speculated that the remaining Horcruxes were Salazar Slytherin's locket, which had once been a possession of Merope Gaunt (Voldemort's mother); Helga Hufflepuff's cup, presumably stolen by Tom Riddle from Hepzibah Smith; Nagini the snake HBP Ch.23; and one undetermined item once belonging to Godric Gryffindor or Rowena Ravenclaw.

* There is no explanation at the end of Half-Blood Prince as to the true identity of the mysterious "R.A.B.", who claimed to have stolen one of Voldemort's Horcruxes, a locket, with the intent to destroy it, while replacing it with a fake locket, later recovered by Harry and Dumbledore.HBP Ch.28 Rowling said Regulus Black was "a fine guess" for R.A.B.'s identity in an interview.[38]

* Snape's loyalties remain unclear. Although he apparently kills Dumbledore in the Half-Blood Prince, it is not known whether this furthered a plan of Voldemort's or Dumbledore's. Snape owes a life debt to Harry's father, James, and has saved Harry's life twice.[39] The question of whether Snape is good or evil has also been presented as a major marketing element for the book, with competing posters proclaiming him as either a hero or a villain, and a complete book The Great Snape Debate ISBN 0979233119 arguing both sides of the issue in a double-sided format.

* It has not been explained why, when Dumbledore heard that Voldemort had used Harry's blood to resurrect himself, Harry sees a "gleam of triumph" in Dumbledore's eyes. GF Ch.36

Hints from Rowling

* Rowling drafted the last chapter of the book several years ago to give herself an ending to work towards. The chapter contains details of what happens to the surviving characters:

? This is the thing that I was very dubious about showing you... this is the final chapter of book seven. This is really where I wrap everything up, it's the epilogue. And I basically say what happens to everyone after they leave school - those who survive - because there are deaths - more deaths coming. It was a way of saying to myself, 'Well, you will get it, you will get to book seven one day. And then you'll need this!' So I'd just like to remind all the children I know who come around my house and start sneaking into cupboards that it's not there anymore - I don't keep it at home anymore for very, very, very obvious reasons. So there it is.[40] ?

* Rowling has stated that there will be no Quidditch matches in Deathly Hallows.[41]

* J. K. Rowling said in 2001 that Harry might get another pet at some point.[42] Although Buckbeak may have filled this role (Harry obtained possession of the Hippogriff after the death of Sirius Black, albeit under Hagrid's care), she also hinted that Fawkes, Dumbledore's phoenix, might have another role.[43]

* We will learn something very important about Lily:

Now, the important thing about Harry's mother - the really, really significant thing - you're going to find out in two parts. You'll find out a lot more about her in book five, or you'll find out something very significant about her in book five, and you'll find out something incredibly important about her in book seven." ? J. K. Rowling[44]

* Rowling has long said that the fact that Harry has "his mother's eyes" is "very important."[45]

* Severus Snape has been an important and enigmatic character throughout the books, as his true loyalty has always remained unclear. It is to be anticipated that as a surviving major character, his loyalty will be settled in the final confrontation of the book.[46][47]

Questioner: There?s an important kind of redemptive pattern to Snape.
Rowling: He, um, there?s so much I wish I could say to you, and I can't because it would ruin. I promise you, whoever asked that question, can I just say to you that I'm slightly stunned that you've said that and you'll find out why I'm so stunned if you read Book Seven. That's all I?m going to say.[44]

* She has stated we will learn more about Peter Pettigrew and Dumbledore and their respective families.[41]

* At the Edinburgh book festival, Rowling mentioned that something more would be revealed about Petunia Dursley. Nothing of note occurred in book 6, so this remains to be discovered.[48]

"..there is a little bit more to Aunt Petunia than meets the eye...She is not a squib, although that is a very good guess. Oh, I am giving a lot away here. I am being shockingly indiscreet."

Rowling repeated this comment at the Radio City charity reading in August 2006.[49] She clarified by stating that Aunt Petunia will not perform magic.[50]

* Rowling has said that some non-magical character will perform magic late in life under desperate circumstances.[51] However, Petunia will not be the one to perform magic (see above).

* Also at Edinburgh, Rita Skeeter was mentioned: "She is loathsome . . . but I can't help admiring her toughness. . . . There is more to come on Rita."[48]

* On Dolores Umbridge, "It's too much fun to torture her not to have another little bit more before I finish."[41]

* Rowling has said that Ginny Weasley is quite powerful, that we have seen a taste of that in the past, and we will see it again.[41]

* Viktor Krum is set for a reappearance.[52]

* Kreacher, the former Black Family house elf which passed to Harry's ownership with the death of Sirius Black, may make an appearance. Rowling told the filmmakers of Order of the Phoenix to include the character in the movie, because he is "very important."[53]

* Sirius Black's flying motorbike and the two-way mirror he gave Harry will return.[52] In fact, Rowling has mentioned in one of her FAQs that the two way mirror "will help more than you think." Rowling refused to comment whether Sirius himself might in some way reappear, but she has also said that there was a reason why he had to die.[54]

* Arthur Weasley's flying car, which was last seen in the Hogwarts forest,[HP2] will reappear.[55]

* Rowling refused to comment when asked whether the locked door in the Department of Mysteries in the Ministry of Magic would feature in the final book.[56]

* Dumbledore was said to have a "gleam of triumph" in his eyes when told that Voldemort had restored his body using Harry's blood, at the end of Goblet of Fire (Ch. 36). Rowling has confirmed that this is "still enormously significant".[56]

* Rowling revealed in a 1999 interview that one of Harry's classmates will become a Hogwarts teacher, though not Harry himself and 'not who you think'. When asked, Rowling also ruled out Ron. This implies that Hogwarts will re-open at some point.[44]

* In an interview after the completion of the Prisoner of Azkaban film, she commented that director Alfonso Cuarón had "put things in the film that, without knowing it, foreshadow things that are going to happen in the final two books. So I really got goosebumps when I saw a couple of those things, and I thought people are going to look back on the film and think those were put in deliberately as clues."[57]

* There are indications that at least two of the main characters will die. In a June 2006 interview about the previously-written ending, Rowling stated that:

"One character got a reprieve, but I have to say two die that I didn't intend to die...A price has to be paid. We are dealing with pure evil...They go for the main characters...well, I do".[10]

* When further questioned in June 2006 about authors who kill off their main characters, Rowling said "I can completely understand, however, the mentality of an author who thinks, well, I'm going to kill them off because that means there can be no non-author-written sequels".[10]

* Rowling clarified that "Dumbledore is definitely dead", when asked by Sir Salman Rushdie and others at Radio City Music Hall in New York City. Rowling answered the same question three times, each time with increasing conviction.[58] However, on the set of the Order of the Phoenix film, she remarked; "Dumbledore's giving me a lot of trouble". When asked "But isn't he dead?" by Daniel Radcliffe, she explained; "Well, yeah, but it's more complex ...."[59]

* When asked what questions she should have been asked, she admitted that "the final book contains a couple of pieces of information that I don't think you could guess at", and declined to explain further.[49] On 13 September, 2006 she updated her website saying that when she was asked that question, her mind went blank. Since she couldn't make amends, she created a NAQ section of her website, in tribute to the girl who asked the question. In her NAQ section, she states:

"Why did Dumbledore have James' invisibility cloak at the time of James' death, given that Dumbledore could make himself invisible without a cloak?"

On 29 September 2006, she revealed that Severus Snape was not under the cloak the night of the Potters' death in the Rumours Section of her website.

* Asked which five of her characters she would like to invite to dinner, she chose Harry, Hermione and Ron, but then hesitated before choosing her last characters, saying "See... I know who's actually dead," unsure whether she was permitted to invite those who are 'dead'.[49]

* Lord Voldemort was voted best villain at the Big Bad Read poll. Responding to the news Rowling commented:

"I hope those of you who voted for him in the big bad read enjoy reading about him in book seven, where he finally gets the leg room for which he has been aching all those years in exile."[60]

* During a July 2007 interview broadcast on BBC One, Rowling announced that "scar" was no longer the last word in the book. Although long reported and confirmed by Rowling to be the final word of book 7, Rowling went on record as saying that "Scar is quite near the end, but it's not the last word." She refused to say what was the last word. [61]

Locked at Op's request. He asked people No Spoilers, but several of you cannot seem to help yourselves.

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I still think we have not learned some type of old magic thing that there was a reason for dumbledore allowing snape to kill him.

That and the eyes thing and using harry's blood are also important.

My bet is Ron bites the dust...but maybe not.
 
Have it pre-ordered and it should be at my door on Saturday. I'm taking the day off work, as well as the following 3 to avoid spoilers. No Internet until I finish, as well.
 
have it pre-ordered also. but i have to be at a wedding on that day so i won't be able to read it for a week or so. I don't know how i feel about spoilers.
 
Originally posted by: AmpedSilence
have it pre-ordered also. but i have to be at a wedding on that day so i won't be able to read it for a week or so. I don't know how i feel about spoilers.

Why not cancel it and pick it up sometime while you're out? I assume it's a week because you'll be out of time, or are you busy the entire week?
 
Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
I still think we have not learned some type of old magic thing that there was a reason for dumbledore allowing snape to kill him.

That and the eyes thing and using harry's blood are also important.

My bet is Ron bites the dust...but maybe not.

I though Harry Potter dies? That's what they said on CNN or something because some people started an online petition to "save" him or whatever.
 
Originally posted by: dainthomas
Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
I still think we have not learned some type of old magic thing that there was a reason for dumbledore allowing snape to kill him.

That and the eyes thing and using harry's blood are also important.

My bet is Ron bites the dust...but maybe not.

I though Harry Potter dies? That's what they said on CNN or something because some people started an online petition to "save" him or whatever.

There's no way a spoiler like that would have been released.
 
I'm not going to read through all of that list, because there are definitely some spoilers in there that I don't want to hear. My vote's for Harry to die though, for several reasons:

1) The whole Ron/Hermione relationship has been hinted at for ages, and it's obvious that they're perfect for one another, and I think it would be a horrible thing to break that up by killing one of them.

2) The Ginny/Harry relationship is relatively new so I don't think breaking them up with the death of Harry would affect readers as much as disrupting the Ron/Hermione relationship.

3) Death would actually be a pretty good deal for Harry, as he would get to be reunited with Sirius, his parents, and Dumbledore, which would actually be a pretty good reward for him once he completes his task of saving the world.

I've already got my copy reserved at border's for the midnight release. My plan is to go see a late showing of the 5th movie with some friends that lets out a little after midnight that night and then just head over to border's and pick up our books and go straight home to read.

And no internet for 24 hours before the release, and nothing until I've finished the book. I swear to god if someone ruins this ending for me, I'm going to kill them. I've been waiting for this for 8 years!
 
Originally posted by: scrawnypaleguy
I'm not going to read through all of that list, because there are definitely some spoilers in there that I don't want to hear. My vote's for Harry to die though, for several reasons:

1) The whole Ron/Hermione relationship has been hinted at for ages, and it's obvious that they're perfect for one another, and I think it would be a horrible thing to break that up by killing one of them.

2) The Ginny/Harry relationship is relatively new so I don't think breaking them up with the death of Harry would affect readers as much as disrupting the Ron/Hermione relationship.

3) Death would actually be a pretty good deal for Harry, as he would get to be reunited with Sirius, his parents, and Dumbledore, which would actually be a pretty good reward for him once he completes his task of saving the world.

I've already got my copy reserved at border's for the midnight release. My plan is to go see a late showing of the 5th movie with some friends that lets out a little after midnight that night and then just head over to border's and pick up our books and go straight home to read.

And no internet for 24 hours before the release, and nothing until I've finished the book. I swear to god if someone ruins this ending for me, I'm going to kill them. I've been waiting for this for 8 years!

Hmm I am beginning to think Harry might die...but not in a way we might think. Maybe Ron kills them.
 
I bet Ron and Hermione die. As it was mentioned earlier, you can't kill one without the other. Some lesser students will also take the big nap, as well as some instructors. Oh, and Voldermort. He is going to die too.
 
Originally posted by: Alone
Originally posted by: AmpedSilence
have it pre-ordered also. but i have to be at a wedding on that day so i won't be able to read it for a week or so. I don't know how i feel about spoilers.

Why not cancel it and pick it up sometime while you're out? I assume it's a week because you'll be out of time, or are you busy the entire week?

I wanted the $5 coupon that amazon was giving for pre-ordering the book. Then i can use that coupon to buy Resident Evil 4 for the Wiiiiii!!
 
I can't wait!! I didn't realize the movie came out tonight, I thought it came out Friday. I have to edit my time off now.
 
Originally posted by: markgm
I can't wait!! I didn't realize the movie came out tonight, I thought it came out Friday. I have to edit my time off now.

I've only seen the 1st and 2nd (because they were on TV) and while entertaining I don't really feel the need to see them.
 
Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
Originally posted by: markgm
I can't wait!! I didn't realize the movie came out tonight, I thought it came out Friday. I have to edit my time off now.

I've only seen the 1st and 2nd (because they were on TV) and while entertaining I don't really feel the need to see them.

Oh yeah! I've only seen PART of the first one AND I've never read the books. 😛

Unforunately, I've replied to a Harry Potter thread. 🙁
 
Originally posted by: SVT Cobra

I've only seen the 1st and 2nd (because they were on TV) and while entertaining I don't really feel the need to see them.

You should see the third, it was actually pretty good. The fourth was skippable, though. Way too short, and not suspenseful at all, since they were smacking you over the head with the answer of "whodunnit" the entire movie. Still going to see the fifth movie this week though! 😛
 
Originally posted by: scrawnypaleguy
Originally posted by: SVT Cobra

I've only seen the 1st and 2nd (because they were on TV) and while entertaining I don't really feel the need to see them.

You should see the third, it was actually pretty good. The fourth was skippable, though. Way too short, and not suspenseful at all, since they were smacking you over the head with the answer of "whodunnit" the entire movie. Still going to see the fifth movie this week though! 😛

I guess I;ll watch them when they are on HBO.
 
I think Harry, Ron, and Hermione all live... I think maybe some other big characters die though, like a Weasley. I do think Snape is good and ends up dying to help Harry.
 
Haven't read any of these books. Don't plan to read this one. I just await with nearly restless anticipation the youtube videos of people shouting spoilers at people in line.
 
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Haven't read any of these books. Don't plan to read this one. I just await with nearly restless anticipation the youtube videos of people shouting spoilers at people in line.

That's funny, but I'd be pissed if it was me it happened to.
 
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