Yeah that is kinda what I said in one of my points a few posts up, you just said it better.I think a lot of people found the GTX580 (and Radeon 69xx cards) to be rather unexciting if you already had a GTX4xx (or Radeon 58xx). So I doubt the sales numbers were huge in the beginning of the last generation of cards.
The line is at 10, and I am taking the under :awe:What's the over/under on how many more posts there will be in this thread until RS shows up?
In that case RS just smashed the line four posts after my post. Nice after-bet. Lol.The line is at 10, and I am taking the under :awe:
And to top it all off, I agree with Russian Sensations entire post.
AMD, are you guys awake in there? Hello?
Good thing nvidia has supply problems, I guess. Good thing for AMD, that is. Sucks for us.
2970 was much worse than their current situation.I am not seeing actual #s though.
Regardless not sure why that's impressive. GTX570 was $350, HD6970 was $370 and GTX580 was $500. It was much more difficult to justify spending extra for GTX580 back then. This time HD7970 cost $550 and then NV came out with a cheaper, faster, quieter card, more power efficient card than the competition, and priced it at $500. From that point of view, GTX680 outselling GTX580 isn't unexpected.
I want to see what would have happened if the old AMD management was at the helm.
AMD shipped 16 million DX11 cards in 9 months
In 1 year's time that number increased to 25 million units.
AMD delivered a more expensive and slower product line this round with no concrete advantages. Even their HD video decoding was broken. I wouldn't be surprised if current GTX670/680 sales are good. Imo, it's less to do with 670/680 being a revolutionary GPU over the 580 and more to do with the high pricing / conservative clocks on HD7950/7970. HD7950 is still $400.....(is that a joke? I guess it's not.)
Honestly, AMD has it in their power to make GTX670/680 less impressive:
1) Launch 1.1ghz factory pre-overclocked 7970 cards for $500
2) Drop reference design 7970 to $400
3) Drop HD7950 price to $350
GTX670/680's success is all but assured at this point unless AMD does something to make 7900 series more attractive for new buyers who haven't upgraded yet. Under AMD's new management team, the GPU division no longer has the price/performance or top performance in the > $300 price level. I don't ever recall ATI graphics in that position.
If they can pull the equivalent of the 29xx --> 38xx --> 48xx out of their hat now, assuming 79xx == 29xx (scarily similar had nvidia been able to deliver on time and in mass quantities) then AMD is going to be just fine.2970 was much worse than their current situation.
i think that i look to the bright side too much...If they can pull the equivalent of the 29xx --> 38xx --> 48xx out of their hat now, assuming 79xx == 29xx (scarily similar had nvidia been able to deliver on time and in mass quantities) then AMD is going to be just fine.
At least the 79xx parts are much more compelling than the 29xx was in its time, you are very right about that.
Here's to hoping they keep trading blows in that fashion.
The same is true for Gtx680 as well.I just upgraded from 580 to 680 and it was nothing groundbreaking.I think a lot of people found the GTX580 (and Radeon 69xx cards) to be rather unexciting if you already had a GTX4xx (or Radeon 58xx). So I doubt the sales numbers were huge in the beginning of the last generation of cards.
Jaydip your point is a good one. I "upgraded" from a Radeon 6970 powering 3 1920 x1080 monitors to a GTX 680 and noticed a significant difference in power and smoothness.
Why would that be surprising? The move to 28nm from 40nm is substantial and significant -- coupled with new architectures -- usually stir up lots of excitement considering how rare they are.. I feel like there was a lot more excitement around AMD and Nvidia's first 28nm than than their last 40nm parts.
Yup and the feeling is due to my Asus DC II 580.680 is faster sure but the reference cooler is still no match for the DC II cooler.I would suggest people to get a non reference 680 if they are upgrading from a non reference 580.It was costlier than 580 but it is cheaper than 7970 here,so compared to 7970 its definitely a better value.Honestly I expected a bit more.Also it seems Kepler doesn't scale that well compared to Fermi.Felt like a more evolutionary and incremental upgrade? Based on the performance value didn't match the substantial and significant node and arch change?
I believe the buzz is due to improved power efficiency.680 is faster than 580 while using a lot less power.Regarding new features unfortunately its a bit underwhelming this round specially for AMD.They put a good architecture to the table but it seems their driver team is on vacation to make a good use of it.But I feel like there is a lot more buzz around this generation than when the GTX580 and Radeon 69xx cards launched. The GTX580 was really just a corrected GTX480. The Radeon 6970 offered 10-15% more performance than the 5870. I think a lot of people held off as they felt that we had already pushed 40nm as far as was worth going. I feel like there was a lot more excitement around AMD and Nvidia's first 28nm than than their last 40nm parts.