Official Flu thread: 12-25-03 State of Georgia scammed in 100,000 dose Flu Vaccine fraud

dmcowen674

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The purpose of this thread is to help track the spread across the Country and it's affects on the Population.

This strain called A-Fujian-H3N2 has hit early and hard and is different from the Flu shot that was administered since September which is called A-Panama-H3N2. Donna and I did get that shot.

It's Morbid to do a death count especially since this strain is mainly affecting the young immune system of children.

Approaching 7,000 cases in Colorado concentrated in Denver suburbs.

Nearing 400 cases in North Dakota already when they had a total of two reported cases last year.

Texas was the first state this season where the flu was considered widespread, the CDC's most severe ranking. Nine other states ? Washington, Idaho, Nevada, Utah, Colorado, New Mexico, Arkansas, Tennessee and Pennsylvania ? have since been classified as having widespread flu outbreaks.

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12-19-2003 CDC Activates Emergency Operations Center To Deal with FLU

At least 36 states have been labeled by the agency as having widespread flu activity, the nation's highest outbreak level for influenza, and no state has been untouched by the virus.



12-11-2003 24 States hit hard, Ohio closes Schools

ATLANTA - Federal officials said Thursday that the flu has hit hard in 24 states, nearly doubling the number since last week and including almost the entire Western half of the country.

As far east as Ohio, several schools closed for the rest of the week because so many students are absent with the flu.
At Madison Junior High School in Mansfield, 250 of 900 students were out sick Wednesday, principal Timothy Rupert said. "We've never closed down for flu," said Rupert, who has worked at the school about 60 miles north of Columbus for 23 years.

Anecdotally, this flu season seems to be worse for children, and the CDC said it plans to closely watch flu complications among them. Flu and its complications are the sixth leading cause of death nationally among children age 4 and younger, according to the CDC.


Originally posted by: dmcowen674
12-8-2003 Atlanta area runs out of Vaccine for general public, remaining shots for most at risk

As a result, Metro area health departments had to turn away people who made a rush to get the last remnants available.

12-8-2003 For those looking to still get a Flu shot and you are healthy, the experts are suggesting you take the Flu Mist Vaccine.

Please leave the supply of the shots for those very young and elderly as the Nasal Spray is not recommended for them.

I would've gladly taken a spray shot instead.

However BBD explained the Flu Mist/Age situation much better than I so here is his explanation:

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc

FluMist is likely fine for people younger than 5 and older than 50, but like the vast majority of prescription medications . . . FluMist was not tested in those populations by the manufacturer. There's no substantive difference between a 50 month old child and a 60 month old child. Rationing is not a solution. If you are susceptible (which is essentially everyone) you should be vaccinated ASAP by whatever means are available. Children under 5 and adults over 50 that have not been vaccinated clearly lack informed parents or competent healthcare.

I repeat. FluMist is not recommended for these populations but then again . . . MOST medications are not recommended for these populations b/c they lack FDA-approved indications.



12-5-2003 David Bowie, Hit by Flu, Postpones U.S. Shows

David Bowie's first full North American tour in eight years has got off to a bumpy start, with the British rocker forced to postpone the two opening shows after being confined to bed by influenza, his publicist said on Friday.


They've run out of the Flu Vacine. I don't see such a big deal in that since it was the WRONG strain Vacine anyway.

12-5-2003Flu Shot Makers Run Out of Vaccine

The companies, Chrion and Aventis Pasteur, together made about 80 million doses of the injected vaccine, which ordinarily would be enough to take care of U.S. demand.

"Because of the recent outbreak, we've seen an unprecedented surge of vaccine orders late in the season," said Len Lavenda, an Aventis spokesman. "As a result, we have now shipped all our available supplies."

The companies said they cannot make more vaccine this year, because the process takes four months. By that time, the flu season would be over.


12-5-2003 First Cases of Flu Confirmed in Boston

The state Department of Public Health said Thursday that a 36-year-old woman and a 77-year-old man in the western part of the state have contracted influenza. Officials said both are recuperating at home.

 

sandorski

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I heard a figure of 70k deaths expected in the US. Higher than usual(some 30k), but I wasn't paying too much attention so my numbers could be wrong.
 

Zebo

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Wonder why the NIH and other medical orgs don't get at least as much funding as the "war of terror" which only killed 4000?
 

Ryan

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We're having an outbreak of the Fijian Flu here in the panhandle of FL. My parents already had flu shot, yet they got the Fijian strain last week, then passed it onto me :( Nothing like being miserable ;)
 

dmcowen674

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They've run out of the Flu Vacine. I don't see such a big deal in that since it was the WRONG strain Vacine anyway.

12-5-2003Flu Shot Makers Run Out of Vaccine

The companies, Chrion and Aventis Pasteur, together made about 80 million doses of the injected vaccine, which ordinarily would be enough to take care of U.S. demand.

"Because of the recent outbreak, we've seen an unprecedented surge of vaccine orders late in the season," said Len Lavenda, an Aventis spokesman. "As a result, we have now shipped all our available supplies."

The companies said they cannot make more vaccine this year, because the process takes four months. By that time, the flu season would be over.

 

tnitsuj

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Dave, do you sit around all day thinking of things to worry about/exagerate?
 

alchemize

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Originally posted by: tnitsuj
Dave, do you sit around all day thinking of things to worry about/exagerate?
For a rare instance, I actually agree with Dave on this one. This strain is very nasty against children. I'm very nervous about this because I have a child with a heart condition who has never had influenza before. He's very high risk, and there is no vaccine for this strain. The vaccine available may provide some level of immune resistance, but if the real deal comes home there is nothing I can do about it but pray. That and I will wash my hands a lot and be real careful around the house (since I'd probably be the one bringing it home).

Picking the correct strain is a gamble anyhow. If Dave wants to get riled up about something, he out to do some research on vaccines in general, who is making money, how effective they are (or aren't), all the potential side effects of them, etc.


 

Bowfinger

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I agree with Dave and Alchemize. It is nasty. and it's likely going to get worse. My five year old niece just went home this morning after being in Intensive Care for three days. They're in Kansas City. The doctors said they thought it was the same strain that hit Colorado.
 

alchemize

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Originally posted by: Bowfinger
I agree with Dave and Alchemize. It is nasty. and it's likely going to get worse. My five year old niece just went home this morning after being in Intensive Care for three days. They're in Kansas City. The doctors said they thought it was the same strain that hit Colorado.

Yup, if my son gets it, I'll be spending my Christmas in PICU :(
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: Bowfinger
I agree with Dave and Alchemize. It is nasty. and it's likely going to get worse. My five year old niece just went home this morning after being in Intensive Care for three days. They're in Kansas City. The doctors said they thought it was the same strain that hit Colorado.

Glad she was able to recover from it, what a fight she had to make.

 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: tnitsuj
Dave, do you sit around all day thinking of things to worry about/exagerate?
For a rare instance, I actually agree with Dave on this one. This strain is very nasty against children. I'm very nervous about this because I have a child with a heart condition who has never had influenza before. He's very high risk, and there is no vaccine for this strain. The vaccine available may provide some level of immune resistance, but if the real deal comes home there is nothing I can do about it but pray. That and I will wash my hands a lot and be real careful around the house (since I'd probably be the one bringing it home).

Picking the correct strain is a gamble anyhow. If Dave wants to get riled up about something, he out to do some research on vaccines in general, who is making money, how effective they are (or aren't), all the potential side effects of them, etc.

There is only two main Companies mentioned above making the Vaccine for the American Continent so there is obviously not a whole lot of competition. I've always been fascinated by Viruses ever since I saw War of The Worlds as a child when the Aliens died because they had never been exposed before.

I hope your little one makes it through the season Ok.
 

chrisms

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Watching the news yesterday I heard a doctor predicting a world flu pandemic in the next 10 years, similar to the one in the early 1900s. Doesn't seem that far-fetched, but only hearing about this during such a bad season makes me a bit skeptical.
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: tnitsuj
Dave, do you sit around all day thinking of things to worry about/exagerate?
For a rare instance, I actually agree with Dave on this one. This strain is very nasty against children. I'm very nervous about this because I have a child with a heart condition who has never had influenza before. He's very high risk, and there is no vaccine for this strain. The vaccine available may provide some level of immune resistance, but if the real deal comes home there is nothing I can do about it but pray. That and I will wash my hands a lot and be real careful around the house (since I'd probably be the one bringing it home).

Picking the correct strain is a gamble anyhow. If Dave wants to get riled up about something, he out to do some research on vaccines in general, who is making money, how effective they are (or aren't), all the potential side effects of them, etc.

There is only two main Companies mentioned above making the Vaccine for the American Continent so there is obviously not a whole lot of competition. I've always been fascinated by Viruses ever since I saw War of The Worlds as a child when the Aliens died because they had never been exposed before.

I hope your little one makes it through the season Ok.

Change the title dave, it is not correct. 83 million doses have been shipped this year, but it is not too late to get a shot if you want one. The flu shot is still widely available.


No more than 80 million flu shots have been given in previous years.
 

BaliBabyDoc

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The vaccine available may provide some level of immune resistance, but if the real deal comes home there is nothing I can do about it but pray.
Actually, the current shot is HIGHLY effective against this year's strain (straight from the mouth of a virologist I talked to early last month). But it's a numbers issue. If the typical vaccine is 95% effective and this year's vaccine is only 90% effective . . . that produces ALOT of extra morbidity and mortality.

Change the title dave, it is not correct. 83 million doses have been shipped this year, but it is not too late to get a shot if you want one. The flu shot is still widely available. No more than 80 million flu shots have been given in previous years.
It depends on where a person lives. If there's been a run on your local/state facilities . . . it may be too late to get a flu shot b/c they cannot get more from the producers. Now you can still get FluMist (nasal spray) from MedImmune but it costs something like 3-4x more. Vaccine allocation is not uniform AND flu outbreaks are not uniform which is prescription for disaster if (as is often the case) your infections pile up in places where fewer people were vaccinated (or have access).

Of course those damn Canadians and their national healthcare system . . . don't have a care in the world.

 

charrison

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Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
The vaccine available may provide some level of immune resistance, but if the real deal comes home there is nothing I can do about it but pray.
Actually, the current shot is HIGHLY effective against this year's strain (straight from the mouth of a virologist I talked to early last month). But it's a numbers issue. If the typical vaccine is 95% effective and this year's vaccine is only 90% effective . . . that produces ALOT of extra morbidity and mortality.

Change the title dave, it is not correct. 83 million doses have been shipped this year, but it is not too late to get a shot if you want one. The flu shot is still widely available. No more than 80 million flu shots have been given in previous years.
It depends on where a person lives. If there's been a run on your local/state facilities . . . it may be too late to get a flu shot b/c they cannot get more from the producers. Now you can still get FluMist (nasal spray) from MedImmune but it costs something like 3-4x more. Vaccine allocation is not uniform AND flu outbreaks are not uniform which is prescription for disaster if (as is often the case) your infections pile up in places where fewer people were vaccinated (or have access).

Of course those damn Canadians and their national healthcare system . . . don't have a care in the world.

Did canada order enough?
 

alchemize

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Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
The vaccine available may provide some level of immune resistance, but if the real deal comes home there is nothing I can do about it but pray.
Actually, the current shot is HIGHLY effective against this year's strain (straight from the mouth of a virologist I talked to early last month). But it's a numbers issue. If the typical vaccine is 95% effective and this year's vaccine is only 90% effective . . . that produces ALOT of extra morbidity and mortality.

Change the title dave, it is not correct. 83 million doses have been shipped this year, but it is not too late to get a shot if you want one. The flu shot is still widely available. No more than 80 million flu shots have been given in previous years.
It depends on where a person lives. If there's been a run on your local/state facilities . . . it may be too late to get a flu shot b/c they cannot get more from the producers. Now you can still get FluMist (nasal spray) from MedImmune but it costs something like 3-4x more. Vaccine allocation is not uniform AND flu outbreaks are not uniform which is prescription for disaster if (as is often the case) your infections pile up in places where fewer people were vaccinated (or have access).

Of course those damn Canadians and their national healthcare system . . . don't have a care in the world.

I was quoting what I read from the CDC...I hope your virologist is correct :) CDC was vague...

Will this year's flu vaccine protect me from the flu?
Influenza viruses are changing all the time, and vaccine effectiveness depends, in part, on the match between vaccine strains and circulating viruses. Although the A (H3N2) strain in this year?s flu vaccine is somewhat different from the main circulating strain causing illness in the United States so far, laboratory studies indicate that the vaccine should still provide some cross-protection against the circulating A (H3N2) strain.
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
The vaccine available may provide some level of immune resistance, but if the real deal comes home there is nothing I can do about it but pray.
Actually, the current shot is HIGHLY effective against this year's strain (straight from the mouth of a virologist I talked to early last month). But it's a numbers issue. If the typical vaccine is 95% effective and this year's vaccine is only 90% effective . . . that produces ALOT of extra morbidity and mortality.

Change the title dave, it is not correct. 83 million doses have been shipped this year, but it is not too late to get a shot if you want one. The flu shot is still widely available. No more than 80 million flu shots have been given in previous years.
It depends on where a person lives. If there's been a run on your local/state facilities . . . it may be too late to get a flu shot b/c they cannot get more from the producers. Now you can still get FluMist (nasal spray) from MedImmune but it costs something like 3-4x more. Vaccine allocation is not uniform AND flu outbreaks are not uniform which is prescription for disaster if (as is often the case) your infections pile up in places where fewer people were vaccinated (or have access).

Of course those damn Canadians and their national healthcare system . . . don't have a care in the world.

Did canada order enough?

nope, their shortage began a month ago
 

BaliBabyDoc

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Did canada order enough?

There is no shortage of flu vaccine in Canada, a spokeswoman for the federal Public Works Department, which arranges supplies of flu vaccine for the federal government, provinces and territories, said Friday.

"So far, the vaccine manufacturers have been able to keep up with the demand," said Irene Aguzzi. "Current orders from federal, provincial and territorial users do not exceed what can be made available to us."


It's hard to beat some degree of central planning when you are dealing with something that EVERYBODY needs. And technically in their system everyone that SHOULD be vaccinated . . . should have received their shot many weeks ago.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: tnitsuj
Dave, do you sit around all day thinking of things to worry about/exagerate?
For a rare instance, I actually agree with Dave on this one. This strain is very nasty against children. I'm very nervous about this because I have a child with a heart condition who has never had influenza before. He's very high risk, and there is no vaccine for this strain. The vaccine available may provide some level of immune resistance, but if the real deal comes home there is nothing I can do about it but pray. That and I will wash my hands a lot and be real careful around the house (since I'd probably be the one bringing it home).

Picking the correct strain is a gamble anyhow. If Dave wants to get riled up about something, he out to do some research on vaccines in general, who is making money, how effective they are (or aren't), all the potential side effects of them, etc.

There is only two main Companies mentioned above making the Vaccine for the American Continent so there is obviously not a whole lot of competition. I've always been fascinated by Viruses ever since I saw War of The Worlds as a child when the Aliens died because they had never been exposed before.

I hope your little one makes it through the season Ok.

Change the title dave, it is not correct. 83 million doses have been shipped this year, but it is not too late to get a shot if you want one. The flu shot is still widely available.


No more than 80 million flu shots have been given in previous years.

The Title is correct. Our local news here in Atlanta said they are rounding up wherever there is still a supply to ship to areas that need it most with major outbreaks, that leaves a lot of areas high and dry.
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: tnitsuj
Dave, do you sit around all day thinking of things to worry about/exagerate?
For a rare instance, I actually agree with Dave on this one. This strain is very nasty against children. I'm very nervous about this because I have a child with a heart condition who has never had influenza before. He's very high risk, and there is no vaccine for this strain. The vaccine available may provide some level of immune resistance, but if the real deal comes home there is nothing I can do about it but pray. That and I will wash my hands a lot and be real careful around the house (since I'd probably be the one bringing it home).

Picking the correct strain is a gamble anyhow. If Dave wants to get riled up about something, he out to do some research on vaccines in general, who is making money, how effective they are (or aren't), all the potential side effects of them, etc.

There is only two main Companies mentioned above making the Vaccine for the American Continent so there is obviously not a whole lot of competition. I've always been fascinated by Viruses ever since I saw War of The Worlds as a child when the Aliens died because they had never been exposed before.

I hope your little one makes it through the season Ok.

Change the title dave, it is not correct. 83 million doses have been shipped this year, but it is not too late to get a shot if you want one. The flu shot is still widely available.


No more than 80 million flu shots have been given in previous years.

The Title is correct. Our local news here in Atlanta said they are rounding up wherever there is still a supply to ship to areas that need it most with major outbreaks, that leaves a lot of areas high and dry.

Maybe in atlanta(is everything that screwed up in GA?), but flu shots are still available here.
 
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if i had a buck for everytime some one told asked me

" if they can send a man to space why can't they cure the flu???" ...i be a millionaire....
clearing the world of the flu isnt as easy as it seems. its the common flu because its soo effective in what it does.
the flu changes each season and very often builds resistance to medication...its why flu shots are designed to be different each season. im no doctor..but our best bet is to take preventive measures. wash hands regularly and keeping the immune system up by sleeping, eating and workin out

the flu shot helps tho...too bad theyre out...i got mine
 

SuperTool

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So is the shot I got worthless? Or is it still good? It was about a month ago that I got it.
 

SuperTool

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Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: SuperTool
So is the shot I got worthless? Or is it still good? It was about a month ago that I got it.

It is still good.

But it's only good for that one strain? Is it going to protect against that fujian strain?