Official ATOT Fantasy Baseball w/Prize Pool Thread

[pkypkypky]

The season has begun....Keep things civil throughout the season and good luck!

DON'T try anything fishy during the season. If ppl think you're cheating, we will vote to freeze your team! :frown:


Trade Information
-72hr waiting period for trades
-PM/post/email me if you want to veto a trade
-4 or more vetos and trade will be cancelled.

 

[TheAudit]

The draft was a lot of fun.

 

[shilala]

boy, talk about gettin slapped in the ass and thrown out.

 

[PlatinumGold]

I think i did ok. pretty balanced draft overall for me.


J. Posada
T. Helton
J. Reyes
C. Jones
O. Cabrera
B. Abreu
S. Green
T. Hunter
K. Matsui
J. Burnitz

M. Prior
R. Harden
B. Zito
S. Takatsu
L. Hawkins

B. Arroyo
D. Wells
W. Willams

 

[pkypkypky]

i need pitching

 

[Ryuson99]

Who you think got the best picks?

 

[shilala]

I did, clearly.

 

[imported_dracula]

dude, there is a really REALLY easy way to block someone from waiver cycling. There is a two day wait period on all waiver transactions:

so if i add all of the starting pitchers from waivers for the next 2 days, and then immediately drop them, you will have to wait for them to clear waivers(by the time they clear waivers, you would have missed the chance to add them for their start and then immediately dump them.)

That is just part of the stragety of unlimited waiver transactions.

edit: i would prefer paypal as opposed to gift cards for the prize payout.

 

[pkypkypky]

who's talking about the waivers? If you're referring to the trades, I just don't want contenders proposing trades to last place teams that don't care so late in the season. That's why I want to change the trade deadline date.

btw, that draft really killed me. Didn't enjoy being last & having 2 picks in a row....I made like 2 panic moves last night.

 

[imported_dracula]

the subject of waiver diving came up during the draft. You set the limit of the number of moves to "no max" so that pretty much opened up pandora's box for massive waiver diving: look at sheelah's roster, he didnt really draft any pitchers because he is planning on just pulling 5 or 6 starting pitchers off of waivers every day to rack up Ks and wins.

Of course there is a really easy way to block this(like i outlined 2 posts ago).

The obvious way to prevent the massive waiver diving would be weekly updates(as opposed to daily updates as it is set in this league) or to limit the number of moves by each team (pick a number like 40) but again, that is something that should have been decided BEFORE the draft. To change the waiver settings after the draft would just be silly

 

[pkypkypky]

Then we'll have to minimize the number of FA/Waiver pickups per week after the season starts. I'm hoping we're all going to play fair and I won't have to make rules like this throughout the season. And if someone has to interpret the word "fair" to you, then you should probably not have signed up in the first place.

 

[pkypkypky]

There's a max player aquisitions for season number I can edit also. Another one for trades.

 

[ThaPerculator]

Good luck all...

Yeah we need to fix the waiver diving part... I figured we weren't gonna have cheap people, but if that happens then we can adjust the rules. As long as we get it settled within the first couple of weeks, it should not be an issue.

I say we vote on:
1. Waivers
2. Trade Deadline
3. Prize Payout - (paypal? gc's?)

as soon as possible.

 

[pkypkypky]

good call perc. FYI, if there's any issue that arises during the season like this, I will happily change the rules for the better of the league.



I'd like to hear all members tell me if they have any objections to these changes

1. Waivers/FA transactions - Maximum Player Acquisitions will be set to 30. This is slightly over 1 transaction per week. There is also a max trades number. I will cap it 15 just because I don't want anything unlimited anymore. I don't see any reason this would cause problems, so please alert me if there is.

2. Trade Deadline - For reasons stated above, will be changed to July 31st. This is even closer to the playoffs than we think because our playoffs start ~Sept 6th.

3. Prize Payout - (paypal? gc's?) - you can tell me what you want, but I'll leave this open for discussion. I'm not going to deny ppl what they want, so don't be too concerned.


Please tell me if there are any other loopholes to close.

 

[ThaPerculator]

Anybody see Dmitri Young in today's game? (Detroit) 4 for 4, 3 hr's, 4 runs, walk... Not bad at all for a switch DH in Comerica Park... I bet he'll be plastered all over Sportscenter tonight. I swear if Detroit can have solid pitching they are gonna be a damn good team this year.

The last couple of years Dmitri has looked pretty good (minus injuries) but he sometimes gets kind of inconsistent. I debated drafting him but I figured he didn't look like his usual self in the pre-season... man was I wrong.

Bonderman/Percival looked good as hell though, so I'm glad I picked them up.

 

[TheAudit]

Originally posted by: dracula
the subject of waiver diving came up during the draft. You set the limit of the number of moves to "no max" so that pretty much opened up pandora's box for massive waiver diving: look at sheelah's roster, he didnt really draft any pitchers because he is planning on just pulling 5 or 6 starting pitchers off of waivers every day to rack up Ks and wins.

Of course there is a really easy way to block this(like i outlined 2 posts ago).

The obvious way to prevent the massive waiver diving would be weekly updates(as opposed to daily updates as it is set in this league) or to limit the number of moves by each team (pick a number like 40) but again, that is something that should have been decided BEFORE the draft. To change the waiver settings after the draft would just be silly

I agree with dracula.
Any wavier rules should have been set BEFORE the league started.

Are the rules going to change from week to week in this league?

 

[pkypkypky]

Well, after a certain they can't be changed I believe. I'm basing all changes on concerns league members are expressing in this forum and on the yahoo board. I hope I wouldn't have to change anything, but wouldn't you rather do this now? I know what you mean TheAudit, but tell me how you feel about the waiver/trade rules.


Let's get this over with this week and enjoy the rest of the season without any distractions.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: pkypkypky
good call perc. FYI, if there's any issue that arises during the season like this, I will happily change the rules for the better of the league.



I'd like to hear all members tell me if they have any objections to these changes

1. Waivers/FA transactions - Maximum Player Acquisitions will be set to 30. This is slightly over 1 transaction per week. There is also a max trades number. I will cap it 15 just because I don't want anything unlimited anymore. I don't see any reason this would cause problems, so please alert me if there is.

2. Trade Deadline - For reasons stated above, will be changed to July 31st. This is even closer to the playoffs than we think because our playoffs start ~Sept 6th.

3. Prize Payout - (paypal? gc's?) - you can tell me what you want, but I'll leave this open for discussion. I'm not going to deny ppl what they want, so don't be too concerned.


Please tell me if there are any other loopholes to close.

i disagree with changing the league after a certain number of games has been played. we should set a deadline.

 

[TheAudit]

Originally posted by: pkypkypky
Well, after a certain they can't be changed I believe. I'm basing all changes on concerns league members are expressing in this forum and on the yahoo board. I hope I wouldn't have to change anything, but wouldn't you rather do this now? I know what you mean TheAudit, but tell me how you feel about the waiver/trade rules.


Let's get this over with this week and enjoy the rest of the season without any distractions.

Leave the rules as they are. Those were the rules that were set BEFORE the draft.
You hope that you would not have to change anything but you want to change them?

Who in this league believes so little in their drafted team that they think that someone who is. "waiver diving", is going to beat them? What great pitchers are they going to pick up and drop from the waiver line for win's and k's? If someone finds a hot player they are going to hold onto that player otherwise another team would just scoop him up.

Leave the rules as they are.

 

[pkypkypky]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

i disagree with changing the league after a certain number of games has been played. we should set a deadline.

I don't understand what you mean? You want a deadline for any changes to be made into our season?

 

[pkypkypky]

noted TheAudit, that's why we're having discussions about this. Yes, I hope not to change anything at all just like I hope no one try to cheat or collude with other members. I do agree, I'm not sure how effective the waiver idea would be. I'd like a new draft date though.

Keep the throwing your thoughts out there.

 

[TheAudit]

Originally posted by: pkypkypky
noted TheAudit, that's why we're having discussions about this. Yes, I hope not to change anything at all just like I hope no one try to cheat or collude with other members. I do agree, I'm not sure how effective the waiver idea would be. I'd like a new draft date though.

Keep the throwing your thoughts out there.

A new draft date? I'm assuming you meant trade deadline date.
By the way, Brian Roberts was a good free agent pickup.

How do you collude on waiver transactions?

 

[pkypkypky]

I meant between trades and having the deadline set at july 31st.

yea, I don't really know Uribe...that was a panic move when i needed to fill 2nd.

 

[imported_dracula]

i vote that you dont change anything. The season has started. If you start changing things after the draft, that is extremely gay.

As for the trading and waivers:

i think the trade deadline is silly: in the major leagues, the real deadline is august 31st, the deadline is listed as july 31st, but trades can still be made in the majors up to aug 31st so long as the traded players clear waivers.

also, i dont really like limiting waiver/FA moves to 30, just keep it "no max". If someone gets ravaged with injuries, they should not have to worry about the number of waiver moves.

If you are worried about waiver diving you ought to have set the rosters to "weekly updates" instead of daily.

Using or sometimes abusing waivers is just part of the stragety(there is a really easy way to block the other player from waiver diving to load up on pitchers, as i showed earlier.). If you thought it was cheap, then you shouldnt have started the season with "no max" on the number of moves a team can make.

So to sum up, i vote you keep everything the same.

Tho i am a little puzzled why the season starts on week 2, instead of week 1, but that really isnt a big deal.

 

[pkypkypky]

I guess we'll be keeping the waivers as-is.

dracula, I don't understand what you said the waivers initially.

The trade deadline worries me because our season ends earlier than than real MLB does to make room for the playoffs. I don't see any reason to have trades around August 14th when the season ends early September if you're trying to propose it to team already out of it. That's why I would want to move it to July 31st. You can't compare it to their August date because it's just not the same thing.

What do you guys think?