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thatsright

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Has the IS7-G been discontinued??

I can't find this board for sale anywhere? And why would they stop selling it, it seems like a superb board?
 

maverik007

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IS7-G is the same board as IS7-E with intel graohics on board.

Why would you want this? The grahics are sub-standard, better off with IS7-E and Radeon 9200SE/Nvidia FX5200 graphics as your budget solution.

The 865 chipset will be phased out over the next couple of months and the IS7-G is not the bestseeling board Abit have in this series - look for IS7-E you will have a better chance of procuring this unit.

Mav
 

BespinReactorShaft

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Hi all,

Some disturbing fact I found on the abit forum:

"Although the IS7 motherboard is Prescott compatible, it cannot safely run for long periods of time at full CPU load without addition cooling."

http://forum.abit-usa.com/showthread.php?s=588af61f08d0d3ff0ed244c96651f40a&threadid=55785

WTF ?

This morning my IS7 + P43.0E system rebooted on me (after a single, high pitched beep => overheat warning?) with Seti@home running (hence 100% CPU load). Kept happening till I stopped using Seti altogether. For now I still get intermittent high pitched beeps but no impending reboot ....yet.

As this sounds like a random stability problem, I guess it made sense that the rig ran for a few days (with Seti full load) without such reboots.

As for my solution, here are my opinions regarding some proposed tips:
a) a higher wattage (kinda dodgy since I'm already using a 400W power supply)
b) better cooling (also sorta dodgy since I already have two case fans; BTW I'm not overclocking anything at all; I know now the Prescott is the main source of the higher temps compared to Northwood systems -- CPU ~ 65degC, PWM ~58degC at full load but is extra cooling REALLY needed to prevent random crashes at full CPU load??)
c) a cleaner/more stable power supply (likely the way to go; my 400W PSU is an unbranded thing that came packaged with my casing, and I've read somewhere that at full load, the CPU is much more sensitive and may crash easily due to power fluctuations; I'm now leaning towards replacing it with e.g. Antec True Power).

Back to the Prescott issue again, is there something inherently wrong with using a Prescott with a i865PE mobo like the Abit IS7? There are rumours about the IS7 not being designed with the "right power circuitry" to handle the higher power needs of Prescott, and therefore the higher temperatures. But with a clean, stable 400W power supply box, would this matter at all? Granted, my current fan speeds are ~3300 RPM for CPU, ~5800 RPM for NB... as I've turned off Abit's "Smart Fan Enable" option.

Further advice/comments on this is much appreciated.

ming2020

p.s. current rig: http://www.anandtech.com/mysystemrig.aspx?rigid=28252
 

thatsright

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Originally posted by: maverik007
IS7-G is the same board as IS7-E with intel graohics on board.

Why would you want this? The grahics are sub-standard, better off with IS7-E and Radeon 9200SE/Nvidia FX5200 graphics as your budget solution.

The 865 chipset will be phased out over the next couple of months and the IS7-G is not the bestseeling board Abit have in this series - look for IS7-E you will have a better chance of procuring this unit.

Mav

Dumb Me! I thought the -G stood for 'Gigabit Ethernet,' not -Graphics. It doesn't matter though, I have a IC7 anyway......:thumbsup:
 

computer

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The IS7-G has no graphics. It's the "better board". It has more controller options and the G LAN as you pointed out. IS7-E has no RAID for firewire. IS7-M has the graphics. I'm just going from memory, I don't remember for sure which uses a G LAN, maybe all of them.
 

computer

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ming2020, I built an IS7 PC for a customer and it had heating problems. If you read this thread, you'll see heating is problem on these mobo's, and, incorrect reporting of the temp's as well. I can't help on the Prescott issue, but I read reviews on power supplies at Tom's Hardware, Anandtech, and others, and the best buy by far is the Fortron-Source FSP400-60PFN. Look at the power supply showdown at those sites and you'll see. It's not only about the cheapest, but it's the best 400 watt and under supply at any price. It's what I use, I paid $59 for mine. Note it has 430 watts, one of the few that's wattage is UNDERrated. I'm running twenty three (23) fans on mine (some are over 1A and 11 watts each), two HD's, DigiDoc, BodyGuard 525, 5.25" HD cooling devices, 2 opticals, etc, etc. I added up the wattage for all my items and they are 390 watts. I'd say that's pretty good for a "400 watt" supply, and it also still runs cooler than any other PS.
 

BespinReactorShaft

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Clint, thanks for the tip on the PSU there. Could you also advise on whether the Antec 420W is about as good based on experience? This brand is among the easier to find among my neighbourhood vendors, but I'll be on the lookout for that Fortron FSP. What kind of mobo, CPU temps are you getting with those 23 fans running?

As for me, well, I guess I somehow winded up with two of the hottest babes in the business: the scorching IS7 and the sizzling Prescott. And I live right smack on the equator.
:p

With my rudimentary case cooling fans, I guess 4000-5000+ RPMs is something I'd have to live with. There's still a place for another fan on the side of the case. I wonder if there's any really effective fan solutions that would lower the mobo and CPU temps by several degrees (fat chance probably unless it involves liquid nitrogen, but at least something to lessen the RPM of the other fans)?

As an aside, my rig does sit below my room's air conditioner. Now if only I could come up with a way to get this refrigerated air direct into my casing.... LOL
 

computer

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I use a P4C800-E Deluxe, and I later recently added an AT PS to the case so I wouldn't "tax" the Fortron too much since I will be adding more things in the future (larger monitor, 3rd & 4th HD's, etc). You can see details here. I haven't added any text to the pages yet, but you should be able to figure it out by the thumbnail captions. Clicking "Figure 1" on the bottom left of page 3 will show the fan & sensor details and locations. Actually, it's 22 fans. The 23rd is the video card fan which is powered by the video card, although in the end it's still powered by the PS. (There's only 5 pages total now, so it stops at 5.html). Note one of my fans is 8000rpm+, and I have an 80mm that's 5700rpm (Tornado) and a 92mm that's 4200rpm of which all sound like a jet engine.

Temps are all VERY cool. The highest temp I get is on the newly added AT supply which is about 83-88°F. All the others are in the 70's except for the HD's which are 79-80° for the Maxtor and 88-100° for the WD740. The sensor for the WD740 is on the bottom on its spindle. I don't have a temp reading on the Fortron, but its case is cool to the touch.

I've never used the Antec so I can't speak on it. But they it may have been part of the list tested at Tom's or Anand. I'll see if I can find the PS review links if you couldn't find them.

On a case for a customer where I use an IS7, I added a 120mm/4.7" fan on the left side door of the case. I took pix of the steps of it, but I "lost" the images since they are encrypted from another XP install! I just used a "Spiral cut roto tool" to cut out the hole, after of course getting the EXACT dimensions of the fan's "blade diameter". Then I put a 120mm filter and grill on it.

I have detailed post somewhere on these message boards about fan sizes Vs. air pressure. I can't find it now. It's on the P4C800 thread, but I don't know which page. In short, a SMALLER fan with HIGH rpm is better than a larger fan with slower rpm because the smaller fan has a MUCH higher static air pressure. This is simple physics. It's the air pressure on a chip or heatsink that gives it the cooling, not the CFM. CFM is good for general case fans in the front and rear, but when cooling specific devices; that's where you want the high static air pressure. An example would be the HSF unit on my CPU. My HSF unit came with a 70mm fan. While trying to short its sensor so it would create more air pressure/higher RPM/more CFM, the sensor broke off. So, I tried a 70-80mm adapter and some 80mm hi-speed high CFM fans. Then I tried a 70-60mm adapter and tried the 8k rpm Delta 60mm fan I have on it now, and the 60mm fan has MUCH cooler CPU temps. This is because the air coming from it is in more of a "concentrated" area. Even though it has lower CFM than the 80mm fans I tried, it has more air pressure and cooling potential since it's smaller with higher pressure and higher RPM.

You'll notice that yellow adapter on my HSF unit, and the CPU fan in a very unusual position with respect to that Thermaltake ducting mod. (I haven't added comments & details on it yet). Instead of having the fan where it is usually placed on the duct mod "elbow" (on the top), I have the fan in the usual place on the HSF unit, then I placed the ducting mod on top of the HSF fan unit. This was so the front case fans and rear case fans would not "suck air" away from the fan on top the the ducting mod, on top of the HSF unit, because the CPU fan would have been right "under" the path of high speed air flow. And as you know, higher speed air = lower air pressure. As it is now, the ducting mod "scoops" air from the front case fans compared to in the conventional positions (fan on top of ducting mod) which created a low pressure area moving across the top of the HSF unit fan therefore starving the HSF unit fan for air. Also, again showing how air pressure works; that ducting mod that Thermaltake CLAIMS "will result it lower CPU temps" is bogus. When the fan was in the typical location on it, that INCREASED my CPU temps due to the simple fact that it reduced air pressure on the heatsink (HS)!!! The way it is now, the fan is directly on the HS giving it more air pressure and lower temps. They even claim that their ducting mod reduces temps by eliminating the "dead spot" of zero or no air flow under a fan's hub by the mod placing the fan at an angle to the HS. Not true. Not using the ducting mod would have resulted in the same potential problem of low air pressure/high speed air passing just over the top of the fan on the CPU starving it for air. So, I used the ducting mod as an air scoop.
 

Cybercraig

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I just used Easy Flash to pop in 2.0 All my temp issues went away! I like this board so far compared to the last MSI Neo-FIS2R. The voltages are much more stable. I'll start benchmarking as soon as I get bored.




IS7
2.8C @ 3.3ghz 1:1 @ 1.55v
35C idle
Mushkin PC4000 Enhanced (2 X 512) @ 2.7v 2.5,4,4,8
Sapphire 9800Pro
Samsung 120bg 7200/ATA 100 @ IDE 1
Maxtor 40gb ATA 100 slave
Sony DRU-510A
Mitsumi 1.44
TT 420watt Pure Power
 

likely

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I was just about to buy this motherboard on newegg, however i read some reviews first and it seem a lot of people are having problems with the on-board audio. it seems it likes to produce static with a lot of popping and crackling sounds.

the reviews are quite old though, is this still a problem if i pick up a retail is7 from newegg now?
 

Cybercraig

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I have no sound issues at all. Much better audio than my 875P NeoFIS2R ever had. One thing to remember though, if you're not going to put a big O'C on this puppy, get some ram in the CAS 2 range so you can use the Accelerator modes. Once you go above a 235FSB it won't matter much. If you are going to stay around stock speeds go fast on RAM. This Mushkin P4000 Enhanced can run at 2.5 easily enough, but that's not enough for Turbo, Street-Racer, or F1 modes.
 

likely

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UGHHH i dont know man. there is a huge, i mean HUGE thread on the abit boards (650 messages) about the on board audio not working on this motherboard. to date it doesnt seem like its fixed. even people who bought it in april 04 are complaining. i will be using an on board audio for my next system so im looking at asus and chaintech now.
 

BespinReactorShaft

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My IS7 on-board audio is a Realtek AC97 5.1 chip. It's a Taiwanese brand. So far I have not encountered any noticeable problems*. I do not think I have updated the audio driver software (just installed the ones that came with the package).


* though it still sounds ever so slightly "different" from my days of using the SB Live; or it's just my imagination/prejudice against on-board audio.
 

Cybercraig

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I'm only using it with a Cambridge Soundworks 4 channel system. I haven't noticed anything peculiar yet.
My MSI board would make noises constantly when I used the mouse or the keyboard. I'll checkout the Abit forum though and see what's up.
 

computer

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Originally posted by: likely
UGHHH i dont know man. there is a huge, i mean HUGE thread on the abit boards (650 messages) about the on board audio not working on this motherboard. to date it doesnt seem like its fixed. even people who bought it in april 04 are complaining. i will be using an on board audio for my next system so im looking at asus and chaintech now.
Yeah I saw all those too, and I was very concerned and leery about getting an IS7 for a customer. But, the audio on it was fine, and this was maybe 4-6 months ago. I I got it from Monarch but stay away from those idiots.
 

Zap

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Originally posted by: Kudzu
Does IS7 work with Mobile Celerons?

My IS7 with the "19" BIOS did NOT work with an unmodified mobile Celeron 1.6. No POST. I haven't had the time to try it with the new "20" BIOS (19 was newest at the time).

Supposedly the mobile Celeron can be volt modded to work in 99% of P4 boards (not my number, someone elses claim). I have not tried to volt mod my chips... yet... I guess the major malfunction with the mobile Celerons and desktop boards is that the boards don't detect the voltage properly, resulting in no POST. The volt mod will tell the board a more valid voltage, thus letting it turn on. Some boards (like Asus) will run the chip regardless, and there will be some funky mismatching numbers between VCORE setting and what the hardware monitor reports.

As for overclocking, I'm getting really mixed results with my mobile chips (I've bought three total). Don't know what setting I'm missing, but I've even tried the supposed best boards for those chips (Asus P4P800/P4P8X). The chips will always POST at default speeds, but sometimes will not POST at even a mild overclock while same chip on another similar board will get a better overclock (to around 2.5GHz, still pretty mild supposedly).
 

Soulkeeper

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i just got an abit is-10 for a p4m 1.8 i had laying around
this board is pathetic
i knew i should spent the extra cash to get something that allowed overclocking
it reads the cpu as 1.2ghz

anyone know how i might be able to fix this ??
 

batmang

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ive been way out of the overclocking loop for a long time now since i first got my is7-e in april of 03'. im wondering what the best bios is for overclocking. im currently using version 16, do newer ones improve overclocking at all?

my current setup is listed in my signature. thanks in advance.
 

maryfield92

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Hi there,

I have a problem with my Abit IS7-E as described below:

It seems the PCI slots have stopped functioning correctly as I have installed 3 Creative sound cards (SoundBlaster Live, PCI 128 and Audigy 2) and each of them is providing no sound from speakers or headphones. The cards are recognised by Windows XP and the drivers install correctly. Running the creative diagnostic tests give no failures. If I then enable onboard sound in the Bios and install the Realtek AC97 drivers from the motherboard CD ROM (after removing the PCI sound card and drivers) I can get sound from the onboard chip. I have reformatted my system drive to see if it was a driver conflict but the problem persists. When I first had the board I was using a SoundBlaster live and it was fine. I then removed this card and drivers to try out the onboard sound. I was disappointed with this and decided to go back to the SBLive. It is then that the problem started. My last two previous boards I purchased where both ABIT (KT7A & KR7A 133R) and performed fine. Any Ideas???