**Official 2020-21 "Brady Ain't Done Yet!!" NFL Week 3 Thread**

[JujuFish]

whooooaaaaa its retro rob

i gave the browns a %25 chance of beating the WFT, but they pleasantly surprised me

no baker interceptions for the first time in forever

The Browns successfully ended their 90-game streak of not having a record above .500. The Giants now have the longest active streak at 55 weeks.

 

[brianmanahan]

The Browns successfully ended their 90-game streak of not having a record above .500. The Giants now have the longest active streak at 55 weeks.

 

[Retro Rob]

lol Cow-Bitches.

Lions won finally. Patricia bought himself an extra week. The Bill looking good as well.

 

[Retro Rob]

Not a huge fan of Russell Wilson, but he's clearly the best QB in the NFL right now. And I LOVE how Terico is doing play by play tonigh.

He's better than Al Michaels IMO. Professional dude. Love his calls.

 

[Retro Rob]

MNF should be great. Got zoom party planned with some friends of mine. Can't wait. Beer and football, on a cool, Autumn night!

 

[bbhaag]

^^Agreed, should be a good matchup!
On a side note I can't believe the Bears pulled another win out of their ass but I'll take it! haha I think we play the Colts next week lets see if Foles can keep it going.

 

[Retro Rob]

Mahomes looks like he will own Jackson in the same way Brady owned Manning.

 

[Grey_Beard]

Mahomes looks like he will own Jackson in the same way Brady owned Manning.

He definitely has talent, but I wonder how much of that is the wizardry of Andy Reed. That team is stacked, but during a 16 game season, there are opportunities to not be focused. Given the expanded playoffs, those errors might not be as egregious.

 

[Grey_Beard]

Whoa. Not sure how this will evolve.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1310948733341892609

 

[Captante]

On a side note I can't believe the Bears pulled another win out of their ass but I'll take it! haha I think we play the Colts next week lets see if Foles can keep it going

If I were the head-coach Foles would be the starter. Trubisky is simply too erratic.

Mahomes looks like he will own Jackson in the same way Brady owned Manning

Right now I think its a close call between Wilson and Mahomes for best QB in the league. Wilson is a better pure passer/run second QB with a proven record (too bad the Seahawks D is awful) but Mahomes is a wildcard in that nobody knows how good he'll ultimately be at this point. Last night was borderline-absurd how easy he made it look at times.

And Jackson was over-rated by nearly everyone including myself. Putting a run-first QB with a "meh" passing arm and poor judgement on the level of NFL elite like Mahomes is a mistake. He's a tremendous overall athlete but in my 45+ years of watching the NFL I've yet to see a run-first QB win on a consistent basis. Ever.

 

[Grey_Beard]

The NFL defensive minds, coordinators on down to the water boy, have a deft for scheming these types of players out. The defenses are big, strong, fundamentally sound and are extremely fast and get faster year after year. The most successful offensive schemes are the ones that use the mind and arm of QB. These attributes are harder to scheme. Then there is the increased risk of injury.

 

[purbeast0]

whooooaaaaa its retro rob

i gave the browns a %25 chance of beating the WFT, but they pleasantly surprised me

no baker interceptions for the first time in forever

Teams/players tend to set/break records against the WFT. It's been that way for decades.

 

[purbeast0]

And Jackson was over-rated by nearly everyone including myself. Putting a run-first QB with a "meh" passing arm and poor judgement on the level of NFL elite like Mahomes is a mistake. He's a tremendous overall athlete but in my 45+ years of watching the NFL I've yet to see a run-first QB win on a consistent basis. Ever.

Calling Jackson overrated 3 games into his second year as a starter after they obliterated their opponents in week 1 and 2 then losing to the undefeated defending Super Bowl champs who very well look like they could repeat and arguably may have the best QB in the history of the game on their team is not fair.

I'd also argue he has very good judgement. He protects his body very well.

Wanna know how I know about running QB's that don't do that? Look at my avatar.

 

[KMFJD]

Not sure if you consider Cam Newton a run first QB (he has over 5,000 yards rushing) but he's 70-56-1 for his career. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[Grey_Beard]

Not sure if you consider Cam Newton a run first QB (he has over 5,000 yards rushing) but he's 70-56-1 for his career. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

But he is consistently stopped at the goal line late in the game and has not really challenged for a championship. I know Rodgers and Brees are in that conference too. He does have a very good win-loss record, though. His stats are not that great overall. Lifetime QB rating 86.1 and 59.8% completion percentage.

https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/24788/

 

[Captante]

Not sure if you consider Cam Newton a run first QB (he has over 5,000 yards rushing) but he's 70-56-1 for his career. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

He has been for the most part although I really had thought he was going to be the exception to the rule back in his Auburn days. What concerns me (as a Pat's-hater) is that he'll HAVE to shut up and listen to Belichick which could mean more passing from the pocket and more winning.

 

[zinfamous]

But he is consistently stopped at the goal line late in the game and has not really challenged for a championship. I know Rodgers and Brees are in that conference too. He does have a very good win-loss record, though. His stats are not that great overall. Lifetime QB rating 86.1 and 59.8% completion percentage.

https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/24788/

making the Superbowl and essentially losing because an incredibly good Denver defense could effectively overcome a dead duck-throwing Peyton Manning qualifies him for not really challenging for a championship? I think that's a little unfair...

 

[Captante]

Calling Jackson overrated 3 games into his second year as a starter after they obliterated their opponents in week 1 and 2 then losing to the undefeated defending Super Bowl champs who very well look like they could repeat and arguably may have the best QB in the history of the game on their team is not fair.

I'd also argue he has very good judgement. He protects his body very well.

Wanna know how I know about running QB's that don't do that? Look at my avatar.

Unless Mahomes gets hurt I'll go out on a limb and say they'll win the AFC easily.

And although I have a lot of faith in the Ravens D I'm not sold on Jackson's passing ability or the Ravens ground-game for that matter. I personally thought Jackson was a better all-around QB then he has turned out to be... he may yet prove me wrong.

I do admit that KC does appear to have the Ravens number but until I see this current crop of Ravens actually win the big one I'll have doubts.

 

[KMFJD]

But he is consistently stopped at the goal line late in the game and has not really challenged for a championship. I know Rodgers and Brees are in that conference too. He does have a very good win-loss record, though. His stats are not that great overall. Lifetime QB rating 86.1 and 59.8% completion percentage.

https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/24788/

2015 he led the Panthers to a 15-1 record and went to the superb owl , with Ted Gin Jr and Devin Funchese as his starting wr's (Greg Olsen led the team in catches at 77 and has been his only good receiver other than a few years with Smith jr)

 

[zinfamous]

Unless Mahomes gets hurt I'll go out on a limb and say they'll win the AFC easily.

And although I have a lot of faith in the Ravens D I'm not sold on Jackson's passing ability or the Ravens ground-game for that matter. I personally thought Jackson was a better all-around QB then he has turned out to be... he may yet prove me wrong.

I do admit that KC does appear to have the Ravens number but until I see this current crop of guys actually win the big one I'll have doubts.

I'm the opposite with Jackson. I thought he would be utter garbage in the NFL because from the games I watched in college, he looked like a terrible decision maker or, at least, completely simple and predictable--out-athlete everyone on the field towards success.

I am convinced that he is legit.

I think DeShaun Watson, though, would make the Ravens essentially unbeatable. That guy....I think only Wilson is better than him with on the field brains, and Mahomes and Wilson overall, but Watson is getting killed behind a crap-tier O-line in Huston.

 

[Grey_Beard]

making the Superbowl and essentially losing because an incredibly good Denver defense could effectively overcome a dead duck-throwing Peyton Manning qualifies him for not really challenging for a championship? I think that's a little unfair...

Understood, as championships are a more team oriented thing.

His playoff performances are not overwhelming either. 2017 was his best year, only rating over 100, as the other years are sub-90. Even the year they went to the SB, his playoff stats were not much better than his regular season ones. His rushing also dropped considerably in the playoffs. Of his nine full seasons, four were playoff runs. A less than 50% playoff rate is not really challenging for championships.

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Look at that in comparison to Rodgers. 10 of 12 in the playoffs with one year missed because of injury.

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[Captante]

2015 he led the Panthers to a 15-1 record and went to the superb owl , with Ted Gin Jr and Devin Funchese as his starting wr's (Greg Olsen led the team in catches at 77 and has been his only good receiver other than a few years with Smith jr)

That game illustrates my earlier point perfectly .... If Newton had played more disciplined in that game he might have been able to overcome the brutal Denver pass-rush without the turnovers.

That's why the 2020 Pats scare me ... pretty sure both Tampa AND NE got better after Brady leaving.

 

[darkswordsman17]

He definitely has talent, but I wonder how much of that is the wizardry of Andy Reed. That team is stacked, but during a 16 game season, there are opportunities to not be focused. Given the expanded playoffs, those errors might not be as egregious.

The same Andy Reid that constantly got in his own way and found ways to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory? The same one that didn't win a Super Bowl for however many years til Mahomes came along? Holy fucking shit some of you are just fucked in the head. Before Mahomes people questioned if Reid had what it took to win a Super Bowl.

Also, Alex Smith would like a word.

Since I'll need to spell it out. Its both. Reid is a very smart offensive mind. Without him, Mahomes probably wouldn't have had his 50/5000 year, and he probably wouldn't already have a ring. Without Mahomes, Reid would still be a couldn't win a Super Bowl coach, seeking his next QB project. Who fucking cares. Without Terrell Davis, Elway ends up with zero rings. Without Brady I bet Belichick is closer to Reid pre-Mahomes than Shula (mean Walsh). Without Belichick, I bet Brady is Philip Rivers.

Unless Mahomes gets hurt I'll go out on a limb and say they'll win the AFC easily.

And although I have a lot of faith in the Ravens D I'm not sold on Jackson's passing ability or the Ravens ground-game for that matter. I personally thought Jackson was a better all-around QB then he has turned out to be... he may yet prove me wrong.

I do admit that KC does appear to have the Ravens number but until I see this current crop of guys actually win the big one I'll have doubts.

Uh...Mahomes already won the Super Bowl? I get it, its 2020 and that happened just before lockdown and if I remember right you're a Pats fan so obviously you're not keen to accept a changing of the guard, but...wow.

I mean, I get it, this is nerdville, but holy shit somehow peoples' takes on here have gotten worse and worse.

But he is consistently stopped at the goal line late in the game and has not really challenged for a championship. I know Rodgers and Brees are in that conference too. He does have a very good win-loss record, though. His stats are not that great overall. Lifetime QB rating 86.1 and 59.8% completion percentage.

https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/24788/

That play call was almost as bad as the Seahawks passing at the goal line. Why they didn't just sneak it I have no fucking clue. Cam could have easily stretched the ball over the goal line. Instead they do like a shitty delayed run. Just dumb.

 

[Grey_Beard]

2015 he led the Panthers to a 15-1 record and went to the superb owl , with Ted Gin Jr and Devin Funchese as his starting wr's (Greg Olsen led the team in catches at 77 and has been his only good receiver other than a few years with Smith jr)

No doubt he had a good year. He had his highest rating, still sub 100. His completion percentage was still less than 60%. One year is nice, but that is in no way a championship challenging career.

 

[Captante]

I think DeShaun Watson, though, would make the Ravens essentially unbeatable. That guy....I think only Wilson is better than him with on the field brains, and Mahomes and Wilson overall, but Watson is getting killed behind a crap-tier O-line in Houston.

I agree about Watson ... in fact I picked him to be the best out of the current crop of "young-guns" in the NFL in that poll-thread on here awhile back. Obviously Mahomes has taken that honor (as of today) but Watson is a solid number 2 IMO.

As for Jackson only time will tell ... however if Steve Deberg and Jim Plunkett have rings ... and they do ... he could certainly end up with one! (or more)