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Miramonti

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I hate the Lakers, but I have a feeling Randle dropping to 7th and ending up on the Lakers will be one of those things people talk about for 15 years, like Kobe going 13th or Kawhi Leonard going 15th. Guys with that kind of ceiling usually don't drop that far, and teams are lucky to get them.

Once he settles in, I think he's going to have a fantastic season. He's a very mature kid with a mature game and an incredible amount of natural talent. I don't know what tournament gm's were watching, but he was a stud.

I'm stunned the Heat got Napier. Wtf. It's hard to root for a player while hating the team. :p But he's going to bring some storm to their game and I'll look forward to watching him play.
 

AznAnarchy99

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Once he settles in, I think he's going to have a fantastic season. He's a very mature kid with a mature game and an incredible amount of natural talent. I don't know what tournament gm's were watching, but he was a stud.

I'm stunned the Heat got Napier. Wtf. It's hard to root for a player while hating the team. :p But he's going to bring some storm to their game and I'll look forward to watching him play.

They basically traded 3 picks for him.
 

QueBert

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So where will LBJ going to sign with?
where will Carmelo, kevin love going to?

My Celtics will get all 3 + Rondo will be back and killing it @ 100%. Basically we'll be a dynasty again and will win 5 rings in a row.
 
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Miramonti

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My Celtics will get all 3 + Rondo will be back and killing it @ 100%. Basically we'll be a dynasty again and will win 5 rings in a row.

I think you'd have a better chance of Larry Bird walking in that door and suiting up.
 

Miramonti

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They basically traded 3 picks for him.

Not bad at all. A 26th for a 24th, and 2 second round picks that would most likely have zero chance of making the team and the team won't have to sign, for a potential impact player that's proven he competes at a very high level (and that lebron is very in favor of.) Great move.
 

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Evidently Jason Kidd will now be coaching the Bucks and it sounds like there was no small amount of drama involved behind the scenes at Brooklyn in doing so.
 

manly

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Evidently Jason Kidd will now be coaching the Bucks and it sounds like there was no small amount of drama involved behind the scenes at Brooklyn in doing so.
I'm not a fan of the Nets organization, but this feels like a lateral move at best (albeit with some pay bump, no doubt). I've never seen Jabari Parker play ball, but unless he's a bona fide star, the Bucks could be rebuilding for years to come.

Kidd was a phenomenal point guard, but the general consensus is that he's a pretty poor human being. He wouldn't be in a position to make this power play if the Nets hadn't overreached by giving him a head coaching job a year ago.
 

smackababy

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Sources saying Lebron wants max contract. I guess there is no hope for him coming to Chicago. =( Well, I hope I can still see him play at least once a year.
 

manly

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Sources saying Lebron wants max contract. I guess there is no hope for him coming to Chicago. =( Well, I hope I can still see him play at least once a year.
LeBron is one of the rare players who is underpaid at the max level, but this is a bit surprising considering Bosh and Wade also opted out. From a purely business standpoint, it's highly logical that LeBron would not only insist on a max deal, but also nudge the other 2 to leave millions on the table for free agents. But the recent speculation is that LeBron is so wealthy outside of basketball that he's more than willing to again take a haircut to make sure Riley gets useful role players for this team. At the end of the day though, guys gotta "feed their families" lol. ;)

Maybe it's symbolic, and LeBron wants to make sure Micky Arison is on the hook for luxury taxes after FA signings. Because we've already seen that if the Heat can cut their tax bill to the detriment of the team, Arison will wield his surgical scalpel.
 

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After the steaming turds that Bosh and Wade left in the finals, what is their market value right now? They'll sell jerseys...but they won't buy rings if they continue playing like they did.
 

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Once he settles in, I think he's going to have a fantastic season. He's a very mature kid with a mature game and an incredible amount of natural talent. I don't know what tournament gm's were watching, but he was a stud.

I'm stunned the Heat got Napier. Wtf. It's hard to root for a player while hating the team. :p But he's going to bring some storm to their game and I'll look forward to watching him play.

Damn, I feel the same way. Love Shabazz.. roxbury kid. I went to church there as a kid. I can't root for him at Miami though. Lots of beantown fans are probably feeling the same way.
 

smackababy

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LeBron is one of the rare players who is underpaid at the max level, but this is a bit surprising considering Bosh and Wade also opted out. From a purely business standpoint, it's highly logical that LeBron would not only insist on a max deal, but also nudge the other 2 to leave millions on the table for free agents. But the recent speculation is that LeBron is so wealthy outside of basketball that he's more than willing to again take a haircut to make sure Riley gets useful role players for this team. At the end of the day though, guys gotta "feed their families" lol. ;)

Maybe it's symbolic, and LeBron wants to make sure Micky Arison is on the hook for luxury taxes after FA signings. Because we've already seen that if the Heat can cut their tax bill to the detriment of the team, Arison will wield his surgical scalpel.

Don't get me wrong, I think Lebron deserves a max contract. I just don't think it is in his best interest to take a few extra million a year (22.5m will be max, I believe). If he can instead take like 17m, force Bosh and Wade into both taking around 12m (they aren't worth the 19 they are getting, for sure), that would be a lot of room to get them some good role players. Allen is only so good, and how many seasons does he have left? Battier is done.

It just doesn't make sense for Lebron to demand a max contract unless he is pretty much just decided he is going to have to do it on his own every year.
 

manly

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After the steaming turds that Bosh and Wade left in the finals, what is their market value right now? They'll sell jerseys...but they won't buy rings if they continue playing like they did.
Chris Bosh is a stretch 4 or 5. I've hated him as a Heat player, but GMs will overvalue what he can do. So his market value could be 4 years in the $80M range (max is $96M).

D-Wade is a lot trickier, no team will pay him more than the Heat will (out of mutual loyalty). I think the Heat will offer him 4 years for about $57M. On the open market, he wouldn't get a 4 year deal and I don't see him fetching more than about $12M per year avg. One thing we've learned from the NBA over the years is that there are always bad GMs tripping over themselves to make deals that are immediately questioned lol.
 

manly

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Don't get me wrong, I think Lebron deserves a max contract. I just don't think it is in his best interest to take a few extra million a year (22.5m will be max, I believe). If he can instead take like 17m, force Bosh and Wade into both taking around 12m (they aren't worth the 19 they are getting, for sure), that would be a lot of room to get them some good role players. Allen is only so good, and how many seasons does he have left? Battier is done.

It just doesn't make sense for Lebron to demand a max contract unless he is pretty much just decided he is going to have to do it on his own every year.
LeBron already knows he can't do it alone, he can go back to the Cavs if he wants to relive that experience lol. While I agree a max contract (5 years, $129M) will hamper Riley's ability to sign FAs, I don't know that it would eliminate it. Useful players will play for relative peanuts to run with LeBron, the hard part is finding those guys at the right time (after their primes). As you've noted, the more important part of the equation is how low will Bosh and Wade go (or if Bosh simply leaves, that would free up a lot of money).
 

smackababy

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Wade really made the mistake of opting out IMO. He is going to get low balled, as he should. Nobody else is going to give him that much money or a long contract.
 

Miramonti

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Jason Kidd is looking like a whiny diva with no integrity. As a player who had never coached before, he was entrusted to coach the nets by owner Prokhorov and management, but ungrateful, he then threw a hissy fit when he recently didn't get player control powers on top of that. So what does he do?...starts pushing for a coaching job elsewhere that already is filled, and ultimately gets the coach (and probably his entire staff) fired by replacing him.

Apparently, another [unnamed] coach has a lot to say about it.

“I think the one thing you know not to do as a coach is to talk about another job while it is still occupied,” one veteran NBA coach told Sporting News. “You just don’t do that. This is a tough business, there are only 30 jobs and no matter what you think of a guy, every one of us puts his heart and soul into what we do every day. And so you learn to respect your colleagues. But nothing is more disrespectful than gunning for someone’s job while he is still in it.”

Kidd appears to have done this three times in a matter of days. First, Kidd attempted to usurp the general manager’s role with the Nets from Billy King, having seen Stan Van Gundy get the same broad powers in Detroit and Doc Rivers granted that title with the Clippers. But Brooklyn team ownership, led by Mikhail Prokhorov, had no interest in giving Kidd that level of power.

New Bucks owners Marc Lasry and Wes Edens then came into play for Kidd, receiving permission from the team to speak to him last week — Lasry was a former minority owner with the Nets, and knows Kidd personally.

That’s when Kidd attempted to sell the Bucks on an arrangement by which he would both run and coach the team. Problem is, the Bucks have two people doing those jobs already — coach Larry Drew and general manager John Hammond.

King. Drew. Hammond. That’s three employees Kidd attempted to oust. Kidd eventually came away with the job as Bucks coach, with Milwaukee sending 2015 and 2019 second-round picks to the Nets, Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo! Sports first reported. Drew was never informed of the negotiations with Kidd.
Jason Kidd (AP Photo)

What’s worse, it appears that one of Kidd’s motivations was resentment over the bigger financial packages awarded to Steve Kerr in Golden State and Derek Fisher in New York, each of whom reportedly got five-year, $25 million deals. Both of those coaches, like Kidd, are former players who have never been on a coaching staff before — not only as a head coach, but not even as an assistant.

...“That’s the worst part,” the head coach said. “What’s the bible say? ‘Don’t covet your neighbor’s possessions?’ As a coach, you always look at it as, ‘If this coach does well financially, it raises all of us up.’ You just have to believe if you do your job, you win games, you make progress, eventually, what some other coach is being paid is going to come back to you.

"Don’t you think every coach in the league looked at Steve Kerr’s deal and said, ‘Wow, so he has no experience?’ But you don’t begrudge anyone in the business. You can’t conduct yourself that way. He will pay a price.”

...“I don’t think anyone is going to just forget what he just did to Larry Drew,” the coach said. “You expect the unexpected in this line of work, but that is a lot of back-stabbing.”

I thought it was a dbag move bail after one season after owner and management took a big risk hiring him to coach the nets. Not only that, they backed him when the season started out very rough. This puts it in an even greater light, how low he went after not getting what he suddenly wanted after just one somewhat successful season.

Btw, just a stab in the dark, but that sounds a lot like Larry Brown. He was always careful when responding to where he might be 'rumored' to coach next, and he's the type of person that would step up and comment on something happening in the coaching ranks like this.
 
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darkewaffle

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I was kind of wondering if maybe Kidd didn't want the dual-role at all but simply took that stance in BKN to torpedo his own contract purposefully after already reaching an agreement of some sort with MIL behind closed doors.
 

smackababy

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If Kidd does want that power, I don't blame him. Really, it can't be a good situation to be in where you are a new coach and a team says "we expect you to win, and you get no say over what tools are available for you." Sure, it sucks he left, but his job is likely at stake.
 

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Don't get me wrong, I think Lebron deserves a max contract. I just don't think it is in his best interest to take a few extra million a year (22.5m will be max, I believe). If he can instead take like 17m, force Bosh and Wade into both taking around 12m (they aren't worth the 19 they are getting, for sure), that would be a lot of room to get them some good role players. Allen is only so good, and how many seasons does he have left? Battier is done.

It just doesn't make sense for Lebron to demand a max contract unless he is pretty much just decided he is going to have to do it on his own every year.

I was under the impression that LeBron was basically broadcasting that he would only take a max contract offer from other teams, i.e. he won't go anywhere else that easily. I think it would be likely that he'll take less to play with the Heat as long as the right moves are made.

Making such a statement is also justified (he's clearly the best player in the league) and is a sort of alpha dominance move that should put Bosh and Wade in their place when it comes to working out whether or not they'll be sticking together. Clearly Bosh and Wade couldn't demand a similar deal, well, maybe Bosh, but on the same team as LeBron or another superstar, no way... but Wade is done, he looked completely exposed at the end of a season where he didn't even play a good chunk of it, so either he's just too injured or he just doesn't have it (maybe a combo of both).


Wade really made the mistake of opting out IMO. He is going to get low balled, as he should. Nobody else is going to give him that much money or a long contract.

Mistake for who? Himself as an already well-established millionaire? Or the rest of the league who might now have less of a chance because he wasn't greedy...

Duncan and Ginobili took pay cuts in the past two years, one after the other, when they didn't need to. Would you say those decisions were mistakes?
 

smackababy

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Mistake for who? Himself as an already well-established millionaire? Or the rest of the league who might now have less of a chance because he wasn't greedy...

Duncan and Ginobili took pay cuts in the past two years, one after the other, when they didn't need to. Would you say those decisions were mistakes?

Mistake for Wade. He isn't going to get that money. The rest of the league won't give him a 4 year contract and Miami is really in no position to offer him a large deal. He shot himself in the foot.

And, as far as Manu and Duncan, them taking pay cuts to keep the team was different. They were both still incredibly productive and knew they were staying in the organization. They wanted championships and knew SA was the place to get them. Both were also going to be hard to replace. How hard will it be to replace Wade in Miami? Hell, you only need someone who can show up for 2/3rd of the season games and kind of just be on the floor in the playoffs.
 

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Mistake for Wade. He isn't going to get that money. The rest of the league won't give him a 4 year contract and Miami is really in no position to offer him a large deal. He shot himself in the foot.

Maybe he is more of a team player than we think, particularly at this point in his career. Opting out of his contract was the only way that Miami can restructure their cap limits and bring in more talent. With all three of them opting out in Miami it seems pretty clear to me that they talked about things and Wade & Bosh are going to take a pay cut to bring the team back with more cap space for a legitimate bench.
 
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Mistake for Wade. He isn't going to get that money. The rest of the league won't give him a 4 year contract and Miami is really in no position to offer him a large deal. He shot himself in the foot.

Wade has already made $120 million just in basketball contracts in his life, and well over that when you consider all his endorsement deals. It's not like he's in danger of going broke. As long as he invests his money wisely, he could spend the rest of his career playing for free and still live like a king and die a rich man. He's probably more concerned with his legacy at this point; nobody talks about how much money Magic or Bird made in their careers, they talk about how many championships they won. And legacy is one thing that can't be bought.
 

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lefraud and co putting riley on the clock. ungrateful, but not surprising. need more stars:D
 

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lefraud and co putting riley on the clock. ungrateful, but not surprising. need more stars LOL.

Ok, I loathe the Heat about as much as a lot of people and rooted against them the last 4 years...but come on. The three of them did not opt out of contracts because they are "ungrateful". Ungrateful would be Wade and Bosh staying in their contracts, milking another 20+ million and that team continuing to have a thin, lifeless bench. And then still bitching about having no help.

Opting out is the only way they can help the organization get more creative in contracts and free agents. You can't negotiate pay cuts any other way.
 

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Ok, I loathe the Heat about as much as a lot of people and rooted against them the last 4 years...but come on. The three of them did not opt out of contracts because they are "ungrateful". Ungrateful would be Wade and Bosh staying in their contracts, milking another 20+ million and that team continuing to have a thin, lifeless bench. And then still bitching about having no help.

Opting out is the only way they can help the organization get more creative in contracts and free agents. You can't negotiate pay cuts any other way.

https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/483780097950756864

James/Bosh/Wade plan to give Pat Riley a window to enact his plan on upgrading supporting cast, sources tell Yahoo.
:D
 
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