OFFICIAL 2011 NHL Draft/Free Agency Thread

[Blackjack200]

LOL, so says you. Once again you probably don't know who Brayden Schenn even is. He is going to be a ridiculous stud. Philly gets younger and potentially more talented with this trade.

2 fantastic trades by philly. They are going to be a force next year and for many years to come

Schenn should be a good player, but he is still unproven. I think Philly gave up too quick, they got good assets, but Carter and Richards are damn good players.

 

[AMDZen]

Schenn should be a good player, but he is still unproven. I think Philly gave up too quick, they got good assets, but Carter and Richards are damn good players.

The more I think about it, the Richards trade definitely isn't as good. But I think the Jeff Carter trade was brilliant. Voracek is going to be a beast.

And the Richards trade may still be a good one, its just going to be a year or two before we know for sure.

 

[murphy55d]

Voracek will be every bit as good in a few years. Watch. Plus they gave up a huge pick with there first round pick which could have been Dougie Hamilton, Ryan Strome or even Sean Couturier if he falls just a little.

If I was a CBJ fan I'd be pissed. But then again, I understand that you have to have patience to rebuild a team. It doesn't happen overnight.

However, now that I think about it - CBJ doesn't really have the front office to properly rebuild a team because they've been rebuilding for many years now and making tons of horrible decisions. It could be they realize they aren't the best at drafting talent as they have so many misses, and in that case it is the right decision.

Yeah, in a few years. Just like Rostislav Klesla was going to be a stud defenceman in a few years. Columbus has been waiting "a few years" for a few years. At some point you have to bite the bullet, trade away a young guy and get someone there NOW who can score goals without having to wait "a few years". Columbus just added a guaranteed 30+ goal scorer who is only 26 years old for a guy with potential and some draft picks. You gotta go for it, man. As a Wings fan I dislike this, but Columbus made a good move.

 

[Blackjack200]

Here's who I want with my teams 2 first round picks

2	Colorado Avalanche	[B]Gabriel Landeskog[/B]
11	Colorado Avalanche	[B]Duncan Siemens[/B]

Please do that. I want Larsson on the board for NJ.

So do you want Ryan Nugent-Hopkins or Adam Larsson? Or do you know or do you care? LOL

EDM will take RNH, it's almost a given. Larsson is good but he is not the next Lidstrom. At least not yet. He was badly outscored this year by Ottawa's prospect (can't remember his name).

 

[Wordplay]

I think the question now becomes who is leaving the LA? With Doughty being a RFA he can command at least $5M if not more while LA has $10M in cap space. LA has only 10 forwards signed for next year and 5 defensmen signed for next year.

 

[AMDZen]

Really? I bet you anything you want, I know hockey and study hockey year round. I am hockey junky. And add the fact in 10 years of fantasy, I have won 4 championships. I know all those players well. Voracek has a lot of skill that in 3 years has not translated on the ice. They have skated him in Columbus on multiple lines, even with Nash many times and he just disappears. He is the exact same as Mason Raymond from the Canucks.

LOL, please. I ain't no expert, but I know my hockey players .

I'm sitting here reading the forums and nearly all of the really knowledgeable people who know the young players and the prospects think Philly made out on the Carter trade. The Richards trade is a little more 50-50 on opinions.

I know people who know the game very well but don't know the prospects and the young players like Schenn. Plus with that 8th overall they are pretty much guaranteed a stud in this years draft

 

[AMDZen]

Please do that. I want Larsson on the board for NJ.



EDM will take RNH, it's almost a given. Larsson is good but he is not the next Lidstrom. At least not yet. He was badly outscored this year by Ottawa's prospect (can't remember his name).

I agree that EDM will take RNH. I just want them to take Larsson because I don't want him. I think he is overrated, and I think the Avs need a winger like Landeskog more after trading for Erik Johnson.

 

[Dominato3r]

Damn you Philly, why trade to the West? I guess it takes LA out of the Brad Richards sweepstakes.

Smyth-Kopitar-Brown
Penner-Richards-Williams
Clifford-Stoll-Richardson
Parse-Lewis-UFA

Mitchell-Doughty
Greene-Johnson
Scuderi-Drewiske

Quick
Bernier

They've got the Forwards, Defense, and Goalie.

 

[AMDZen]

Yea LAK is going to be good. Should be interesting.

Also it sounds like the Richards deal may have another piece somewhere. Some rumors flying about maybe a pick somewhere in that trade, so it might not be complete as its listed.

 

[Blackjack200]

I agree that EDM will take RNH. I just want them to take Larsson because I don't want him. I think he is overrated, and I think the Avs need a winger like Landeskog more after trading for Erik Johnson.

I don't know if he's overrated, but he's definately not a sure thing. (Few defensemen are though, look at Bogosian) I still want the Devils to take him though, he skates very well, knows the game, can handle the puck. Really the only question now is if his game will translate. I think Victor Hedman's did.

Honestly I would be okay with Landeskog or Courturier too. Maybe Huberdeau, but I'm less sure on him.

 

[AMDZen]

I don't know if he's overrated, but he's definately not a sure thing. (Few defensemen are though, look at Bogosian) I still want the Devils to take him though, he skates very well, knows the game, can handle the puck. Really the only question now is if his game will translate. I think Victor Hedman's did.

Honestly I would be okay with Landeskog or Courturier too. Maybe Huberdeau, but I'm less sure on him.

I wasn't sold on Hedman until watching him in the playoffs this year. Wow that dude has really come into his own. Larsson I just don't buy. I won't hate the pick if we make it as long as we get a winger in FA or with the 11th somehow, but we have to have a scoring winger that starts. And Landeskog is the only one NHL ready. Bogosian still has time and I think he will be fine, Defense men just take forever. Same thing with EJ, a lot of people thought the Avalanche gave up way too much but I think he is going to be a stud, just takes dmen longer.

 

[classy]

I'm sitting here reading the forums and nearly all of the really knowledgeable people who know the young players and the prospects think Philly made out on the Carter trade. The Richards trade is a little more 50-50 on opinions.

I know people who know the game very well but don't know the prospects and the young players like Schenn. Plus with that 8th overall they are pretty much guaranteed a stud in this years draft

There are two things I'll say. On the Philly side, the 8th pick is very attractive. As for the players, I have seen nothing in Jakub in 3 years that would suggest he is top flight talent like Carter. The picks will have to good for this to pan out. He is young, but so is Carter. Pure 40 goal scorers don't grow on trees. They are few in number.

 

[Wordplay]

Bryzgalov contract with PHI is done. 9 years, $51 million which is $5.6M cap hit

 

[AMDZen]

What happens if this is just a pre-cursor to something on July 1st. Holmgren is a great GM, not sure I would put it past him to sign Brad Richards.

Then you think of it as Richards for Richards.

Carter for a 1st, 3nd, Voracek, Simmonds and Schenn.

Sign Bryzgalov and bamm.

Philly has a dynasty for several years to come.

I think you're wrong on Voracek though. Give it a couple more years and you will see that dude start to destroy.

 

[classy]

I'm sitting here reading the forums and nearly all of the really knowledgeable people who know the young players and the prospects think Philly made out on the Carter trade. The Richards trade is a little more 50-50 on opinions.

I know people who know the game very well but don't know the prospects and the young players like Schenn. Plus with that 8th overall they are pretty much guaranteed a stud in this years draft

I don't know enough about Schenn. But Simmonds is really nothing to write home about.

 

[AMDZen]

Bryzgalov contract with PHI is done. 9 years, $51 million which is $5.6M cap hit

Wow. Wow.

 

[classy]

Bryzgalov contract with PHI is done. 9 years, $51 million which is $5.6M cap hit

Thats not to bad. But Bob will be gone.

 

[AMDZen]

I don't know enough about Schenn. But Simmonds is really nothing to write home about.

I completely disagree. In the playoffs he was a monster, and he plays the exact game that the flyers play. Dude is quick and menacing on the ice.

 

[Blackjack200]

Bryzgalov contract with PHI is done. 9 years, $51 million which is $5.6M cap hit

Okay, someone bring me up to speed here... you can't sign UFAs until July 1, right? Did the Flyers trade for his rights or something?

 

[AMDZen]

Okay, someone bring me up to speed here... you can't sign UFAs until July 1, right? Did the Flyers trade for his rights or something?

Yes, they traded PHX for the rights

 

[AMDZen]

Anyone in the scene probably knows that Eklund is usually a joke, but he has been right on both of these Philly trades and got them before anyone else pretty much.

He is also saying the following:

UPDATE: The Kings are also interested in Stastny (e4) Could include picks and Bernier going to Colorado.

TSN is reporting Robyn Regehr has been asked to waive his No Trade to go to Buffalo... The Sabres may be sending prospects...also heard Weber and Boyes name mentioned

 

[classy]

I completely disagree. In the playoffs he was a monster, and he plays the exact game that the flyers play. Dude is quick and menacing on the ice.

Dude no offense, Wayne Simmonds is not a monster. You must be a Flyers fan. You gotta be kidding me, right?

 

[AMDZen]

Dude no offense, Wayne Simmonds is not a monster. You must be a Flyers fan. You gotta be kidding me, right?

I am an Avalanche fan but I watched a ton of the LAKings this year, and yes - he is a monster. I actually don't even like the Flyers, or really any team in the east coast. I'm just pissed that the Avs are going to have to see Mike Richards 4 times now. They are going to get destroyed by him. They can't compete with the Pacific devision now, much less with Richards now banging our asses around.

 

[AMDZen]

I will add that after seeing the Bryzgalov numbers, I ultimately think the Flyers have made a mistake. I didn't realize he was going to command such an outrageous contract. Still think the Jeff Carter trade was a good one, but the Mike Richards trade - not so much.

We'll see though, Simmonds is still young and doubled his offensive production from his first year to his second - and who knows what Schenn can do - we'll have to wait and see.

 

[Wordplay]

I will add that after seeing the Bryzgalov numbers, I ultimately think the Flyers have made a mistake. I didn't realize he was going to command such an outrageous contract. Still think the Jeff Carter trade was a good one, but the Mike Richards trade - not so much.

We'll see though, Simmonds is still young and doubled his offensive production from his first year to his second - and who knows what Schenn can do - we'll have to wait and see.

How much do you think Philly will sign Simmonds and Voracek to? Simmonds went 23 points, 40 points, 30 points. Which is at least good for $2M if not a little bit more. Voracek 50 points and 46 points respectively which is about Versteeg like which he could ask for $3M. Gonna be interesting to see what they do since they still need at least 3 forwards depending if Schenn will play in the NHL with his $3M cap hit. Four forwards if Schenn goes to the minors.