Offensive printing on a Starbucks cup

[BillyBatson]

if i was religious i would prob be offended because if you believe in god then someone saying he might not exist is offensive since you "know" he does.

however i believe that a higher being god or otherwise does not exist and so the cup does not offend me. However in defense of the cup if it DID claim god was real then i would still not be offended. It is someone else's belief not mine and it is written on a cup no one is forcing it down my throat (pardon the pun =p )

 

[waggy]

both are idiots. the lady for being offended by something like that and starbucks for putting it on.

 

[Aharami]

was included on the cup as part of an effort by the company to collect different viewpoints and spur discussion.

so instead of taking it positively, and having a discussion about it, she chose to get her panties in a bunch and throw a hissy fit? :roll: so typical of the religious zealots.

 

[Amused]

I posted this in another thread and I'll post it here:

Every individual and business has the right to self censor.

Every individual and business has the right to protest and boycott to urge someone to self censor.

I see nothing wrong here. What we have are a group of individuals asking a business to self censor.

Everyone has the right to protest and boycott for any reason, no matter how innane. It is up to the business if they choose to cave, or not.

 

[FoBoT]

i don't drink coffee, i don't buy stuff from StarBucks, too expensive

 

[sdifox]

Originally posted by: SlitheryDee
A coffee cup should not be the medium for a person's opinion. People of differing opinions may also drink coffee, and thus be exposed to opinions that don't fit their world-view. Corporations like the coffee company in question are required to refrain from offending people and to avoid presenting any opinion whatsoever besides the logical "our product is good". This is to be expected, as it protects the opinions that are obviously more justified and it preserves objectivity and free will. The woman was quite justified in her rejection of said corporation.

Actually, the corporation has as much right to offend as you. You can choose to not buy their product if you find it offensive. That is how freedom of speech works.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: sdifox

Originally posted by: SlitheryDee
A coffee cup should not be the medium for a person's opinion. People of differing opinions may also drink coffee, and thus be exposed to opinions that don't fit their world-view. Corporations like the coffee company in question are required to refrain from offending people and to avoid presenting any opinion whatsoever besides the logical "our product is good". This is to be expected, as it protects the opinions that are obviously more justified and it preserves objectivity and free will. The woman was quite justified in her rejection of said corporation.

Actually, the corporation has as much right to offend as you. You can choose to not buy their product if you find it offensive. That is how freedom of speech works.

yeap everything is working as it should. the company has the right to print it. the lady has the right to be offended. she also has the right to protest it.

while i think what starbucks did was idiotic they can do it.

 

[Aharami]

Originally posted by: w3stfa11
A similar thing happened at Baylor University.
Story here

Coffee cups with a gay author's quote about growing up homosexual have been pulled from Baylor University's Starbucks coffee shop.

Looks like all this controversy is exactly what Starbucks wants.

from the article:

"My only regret about being gay is that I repressed it for so long. I surrendered my youth to the people I feared when I could have been out there loving someone. Don't make that mistake yourself. Life's too damn short."

Concerned Women for America, a national Christian women's organization, says Starbucks, which is based in Seattle, is promoting a homosexual agenda with the cup.

how the hell does that promote homosexual agenda? I see it as being true to yourself...no matter what you are.

 

[OutHouse]

yeaaaaa more christian bashing.

if starbuck would have some real balls they would have printed

"Allah may be a figment of our imaginations"

but they cant do that can they.....

:disgust:

 

[yllus]

God God may be a figment of our imaginations? Is that supposed to cancel out or something?

Christian god = Muslim god

 

[JS80]

Imagine the shvtstorm if there was a quote from the Bible.

However, I am offended by their prices.

 

[Sunner]

After all, we are strong enough to cause most of the catastrophes we need to endure.

That's pretty clever

 

[ch33zw1z]

Not offensive, the truth hurts for some people!

edit: not one living soul FORCES her to purchase coffee at Starbucks, brew your own.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: SlitheryDee
A coffee cup should not be the medium for a person's opinion. People of differing opinions may also drink coffee, and thus be exposed to opinions that don't fit their world-view. Corporations like the coffee company in question are required to refrain from offending people and to avoid presenting any opinion whatsoever besides the logical "our product is good". This is to be expected, as it protects the opinions that are obviously more justified and it preserves objectivity and free will. The woman was quite justified in her rejection of said corporation.

My sarcasm detector just exploded.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: SlitheryDee
A coffee cup should not be the medium for a person's opinion. People of differing opinions may also drink coffee, and thus be exposed to opinions that don't fit their world-view.

Which is precisely why those opinions should be on the cups. Ideas need to be challenged in order to be maintained, faith especially. Ideas, when un-challenged, grow stagnant and we lose our understanding of the reasons we chose those ideas to begin with.

Originally posted by: SlitheryDee
Corporations like the coffee company in question are required to refrain from offending people and to avoid presenting any opinion whatsoever besides the logical "our product is good". This is to be expected, as it protects the opinions that are obviously more justified and it preserves objectivity and free will. The woman was quite justified in her rejection of said corporation.

*sarcasm detector explodes from overload*

ZV

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: Dunbar
I agree there's no constitutional guarantee that you won't be offended in your daily life. However, IMO a customer has a reasonable expectation not to be offended by a company they patronize. I can definitely see where a Christian would be offended by Starbuck's attempt to be pervokative. I also think we are mostly making the same point(s)

I bolded the important word there. A reasonable person would not be offended by a coffee cup.

Oh, and "provocative".

ZV

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: Journer
its a private company....they should be able to put 'all coffee drinking women are nappy ho'z" and not have any legal repercussions...its their damn cup...not hers...if she wants to bitch and complain about it she should go get coffee elsewhere

I own stock in Starbucks. It's not a private company.

ZV

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: Journer
its a private company....they should be able to put 'all coffee drinking women are nappy ho'z" and not have any legal repercussions...its their damn cup...not hers...if she wants to bitch and complain about it she should go get coffee elsewhere

I own stock in Starbucks. It's not a private company.

ZV

It is private in that it is not government. The shareholders and board have the right to run it as they please.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: sixone

Originally posted by: yllus
It seems like a bit of a sly jab at those who believe in God (specifically the "figment of our imaginations" part).

"A sly jab" is exactly what it is.

I disagree. In fact, aside from the "may be a figment of our imaginations" part it slots in fairly nicely with my own theology.

"God helps those who help themselves." It's not a denial of God's existence, but rather a reminder that ultimately we are the ones who must carry out the work. As Ghandi said, "You must be the change you want to see in the world", or the supposedly Russian proverb, "Pray to God, but row for shore."

ZV

 

[otispunkmeyer]

what a tool.

im sure starbucks wont lose any sleep, while she crys her self to sleep over her offensive crapucino cup.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: Journer
its a private company....they should be able to put 'all coffee drinking women are nappy ho'z" and not have any legal repercussions...its their damn cup...not hers...if she wants to bitch and complain about it she should go get coffee elsewhere

I own stock in Starbucks. It's not a private company.

ZV

It is private in that it is not government. The shareholders and board have the right to run it as they please.

Point. I'm thinking of it in Financial terms (a publicly-traded corporation) rather than Legal terms.

ZV

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: w3stfa11
A similar thing happened at Baylor University.
Story here

Coffee cups with a gay author's quote about growing up homosexual have been pulled from Baylor University's Starbucks coffee shop.

Looks like all this controversy is exactly what Starbucks wants.

aye, no such thing as bad publicity is there. especially this.... it ticks off a few uptight time wasters, but everyone else couldnt care less. starbucks gets in the news....for nothing = profit

 

[yowolabi]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: A Casual Fitz
What, so should I be offended every time I see something mentioning that God exists?? Give me a fvckin' break.

Only if you think atheism is a religion, and your lack of belief a faith. Otherwise, what would you have to be offended about?

I would theoretically be offended because they published something that disagrees with my world view. That is essentially what she is offended about. Whether it's called a "faith" or a "religion" has nothing to do with whether something offends you.

Unless you're trying to submit that all offense stems only from religion and faith.....

 

[sdifox]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: Journer
its a private company....they should be able to put 'all coffee drinking women are nappy ho'z" and not have any legal repercussions...its their damn cup...not hers...if she wants to bitch and complain about it she should go get coffee elsewhere

I own stock in Starbucks. It's not a private company.

ZV

You are a private citizen, and companies as entities have the same rights as a person, thus making it a private company. Owning stock just means you have faith in that private entity to invest in it. Nothing stops you to issue your own shares on YOU either.

 

[EKKC]

this is awful. this is stupid. this is beyond words.

she can ban starbucks and nobody would give a crap. whoever is reporting this as news should be fired too.

dammit how come there are so many stupid people on this earth