"Offensive" passage in a Confederate book displayed in Republican congressman Drew Ferguson's office

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HomerJS

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A good example of AA. In case no one noticed Trump hires almost exclusively white males to work in the West Wing. AA would make efforts to recruit people with diverse backgrounds.
 

HomerJS

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I’m going to need to see data to back up your stat please. You can’t be throwing numbers like that around on here all willy nilly. Ask your cohorts they don’t take kindly to that.
You missed the IMO. Here's your chance to prove me wrong. I put up this challenge years ago that has not been met to date.

From the elections of 08 and 12. Find any elected Democrat or Democratic group who disparaged John McCain or Mitt Romney solely on the basis of them being white. This vs the racist vitriol hurled towards Barack Obama
 

Vic

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I’m going to need to see data to back up your stat please. You can’t be throwing numbers like that around on here all willy nilly. Ask your cohorts they don’t take kindly to that.
It's a figure of speech, Brah.
 

UglyCasanova

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I didn’t miss the imo just as y’all didn’t miss me saying I pulled the 90% number out my ass and was my opinion but argued it to frickin death anyways as a “gotcha”. You said 80 - 90% (in your opinion) so back it up. Otherwise all of the the posters that gave me hell for an obviously made up stat will be here any sec now to do the same to you. Right...? Any minute now
 

HomerJS

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I didn’t miss the imo just as y’all didn’t miss me saying I pulled the 90% number out my ass and was my opinion but argued it to frickin death anyways as a “gotcha”. You said 80 - 90% (in your opinion) so back it up. Otherwise all of the the posters that gave me hell for an obviously made up stat will be here any sec now to do the same to you. Right...? Any minute now
Read the rest of post. I use this as an example to back up my opinion
 

pmv

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And he wouldn’t be for judging people based on the color of their skin which happens daily on this forum and in general. Nor would he be ok with the justification people use of “it’s not racism since there’s no collective power”, he’d tell you to quit judging people based on skin color period.

It's kind-of gross how people who know little about MLK and had nothing to do with either the man or his agenda, try and appropriate him long after his death. Most of them only know that one quote and extrapolate everything from that.

Who chose you to be his posthumous spokesperson and interpreter?

Same thing happens with Nelson Mandela. It's sneaky. Turning them into bland, innocuous saints once they are safely dead.
 

UglyCasanova

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Read the rest of post. I use this as an example to back up my opinion


This?

From the elections of 08 and 12. Find any elected Democrat or Democratic group who disparaged John McCain or Mitt Romney solely on the basis of them being white. This vs the racist vitriol hurled towards Barack Obama​
That doesn’t back up your case of 80-90%. Everyone else on here that gave me grief will be here any minute to back me up that you can’t say a stat (even one that obviously is an expression meaning a lot and doesn’t represent an actual study) without hard evidence. I said mine was a figure of speech too but that wasn’t good enough, need the data man. They’ll be along any minute now to agree with me. Any minute now
 

UglyCasanova

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It's kind-of gross how people who know little about MLK and had nothing to do with either the man or his agenda, try and appropriate him long after his death. Most of them only know that one quote and extrapolate everything from that.

Who chose you to be his posthumous spokesperson and interpreter?

Same thing happens with Nelson Mandela. It's sneaky. Turning them into bland, innocuous saints once they are safely dead.


You’re right. MLK would want you to judge people based on skin color. That’s what he was working for. To have skin color be a determining factor in people’s lives. Yep :rolleyes:
 

cytg111

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This?

From the elections of 08 and 12. Find any elected Democrat or Democratic group who disparaged John McCain or Mitt Romney solely on the basis of them being white. This vs the racist vitriol hurled towards Barack Obama​
That doesn’t back up your case of 80-90%. Everyone else on here that gave me grief will be here any minute to back me up that you can’t say a stat (even one that obviously is an expression meaning a lot and doesn’t represent an actual study) without hard evidence. I said mine was a figure of speech too but that wasn’t good enough, need the data man. They’ll be along any minute now to agree with me. Any minute now
Charlotsville, Unite The Right, 100pct racists. I counted them. IMO.
 

feralkid

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Also history is history. I honestly don't care if someone reads a sentence from a book and gets butt-hurt. Now If he had this book opened with this quote highlighted with a racist comment that was sitting next to his Klan robe, then I might be more alarmed.


But only slightly, amirite?
 

hal2kilo

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There are Confederate apologists who will insist that Lee was anti-slavery and only fought for love of Virginia. It's a really hard argument to support though. For example, they'll cite that he never owned slaves himself - ignoring that his wife did and that he took a personal interest in overseeing them. I think the best evidence is that he was *very* "white man's burden". Which was common enough for the era, not that that's a true defense.
Pretty much how it was put out in Virginia history as presented in elementary school, junior high school and high school. Hell, his birthday was a still a state holiday at that point. Surprised about Virginia history in elementary school? Virginia was very proud of it's history, being one of the 13 colonies and so much happened there (number of presidents, I could go on).
 

HomerJS

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This?

From the elections of 08 and 12. Find any elected Democrat or Democratic group who disparaged John McCain or Mitt Romney solely on the basis of them being white. This vs the racist vitriol hurled towards Barack Obama​
That doesn’t back up your case of 80-90%. Everyone else on here that gave me grief will be here any minute to back me up that you can’t say a stat (even one that obviously is an expression meaning a lot and doesn’t represent an actual study) without hard evidence. I said mine was a figure of speech too but that wasn’t good enough, need the data man. They’ll be along any minute now to agree with me. Any minute now
Actually it is evidence. Ratio is 100% to 0%. Unless you know otherwise. If it were even close to 50-50 there would have been at least one black Congressman making racist jokes about whitey Republicans.
 

SlowSpyder

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Nothing to see here but leftist-manufactured racism. There is nothing to this story in the details given to accuse anyone of being a bigot. You're letting your TDS show again.
 

cytg111

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Nothing to see here but leftist-manufactured racism. There is nothing to this story in the details given to accuse anyone of being a bigot. You're letting your TDS show again.

Oh Slow, is this what you mean by left? The left side of the picture? Cause then you'd be right.
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And this is what ima gonna do, everytime I see your false fact alt right retarded propaganda drivel, I am gonna spam this piece of fine jpeg fact in your face. So keep it coming.
 

pmv

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You’re right. MLK would want you to judge people based on skin color. That’s what he was working for. To have skin color be a determining factor in people’s lives. Yep :rolleyes:

You really are ignorant when it comes to the topic of race. Why do you talk about it so much, given you know so little?

Why do you talk about race so much when you have so little understanding of the issue?

PS who do you think said the following?

"Whenever the issue of compensatory treatment for the Negro is raised, some of our friends recoil in horror. The Negro should be granted equality, they agree; but he should ask nothing more. On the surface, this appears reasonable, but it is not realistic."

"Within common law we have ample precedents for special compensatory programs.... And you will remember that America adopted a policy of special treatment for her millions of veterans after the war."


MLK had a habit of carefully tailoring his words to his audience. White conserva-liberals liked the 'color blind' material, but he was clearly a zillion times smarter than that.
 
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Starbuck1975

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A good example of AA. In case no one noticed Trump hires almost exclusively white males to work in the West Wing. AA would make efforts to recruit people with diverse backgrounds.
White males can have diverse backgrounds.
 

cytg111

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White males can have diverse backgrounds.

What? You are ½ an inch from calling someone out as racist for pointing out that Trump hires almost exclusively white males? Or where are you going with this? You are about to step on someone elses franchise here, just saying!
 

pmv

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White males can have diverse backgrounds.


They can, but, come on, in a US context any real 'diversity' is going to have to include racial variation. If that is conspicuously missing then as well as being an issue in itself, it's also a big clue that it's likely not very diverse in other ways either.
 

Starbuck1975

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What? You are ½ an inch from calling someone out as racist for pointing out that Trump hires almost exclusively white males? Or where are you going with this? You are about to step on someone elses franchise here, just saying!
I am not calling him out as racist, just myopic
 

Starbuck1975

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They can, but, come on, in a US context any real 'diversity' is going to have to include racial variation. If that is conspicuously missing then as well as being an issue in itself, it's also a big clue that it's likely not very diverse in other ways either.
Why is racial variation the only “real” form of diversity? The term has become dogmatic to the point that its meaningless.
 

pmv

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Why is racial variation the only “real” form of diversity? The term has become dogmatic to the point that its meaningless.

I didn't say it was. Indeed, I specifically _don't_ think that is the case. Your reply here doesn't seem to relate to what I said.