Of Medicare, Medigap and M. Advantage......my experience. Yours?

Meghan54

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So, I'm finally going on Medicare on Oct. 1. Hooray?

Anyway, since Medicare is essentially an 80/20 ins. plan, at least for Part B, and Part A begins to peter out after 60 days confinement to a hospital, Medigap insurance is available to cover those costs. The 'Gap plans are standardized for all ins. co's, meaning every ins. co. that offers Medigap ins. has to offer the same exact coverage for each plan, which are denoted A-N. Plan F, which pays for everything so the person has no out of pocket expenses, is disappearing at the end of the year (2019.) Also, it is the most expensive plan offered.

So, ins. co. is almost irrelevant in chosing Medigap plans, other than sussing out the financial stability and strength of said ins. co's. Personally, I went with a Plan N from Mutual of Omaha at $95/mo. It pays for everything except my %185 deductible for Part B and no coverage for excess charges from MD's, etc. (Part B Medicare specifically covers outpatient medical services while Part A covers hospitalization.)

Couple of questions.....should I be looking into a Plan G? The difference between Plans N and G is:

Plan G covers any excess charges levied by physicians, etc., above what Medicare allows. This excess charge is limited to 15% above what Medicare allows for whatever. Shouldn't be an issue, but in case one has to have a CABG or cancer treatment and it's done by a physician who doesn't accept Medicare assignment, one could be on the hook for some $$$, but hopefully not a hella lot.


Plan N, by contrast, doesn't cover any excess charges and requires the patient to co-pay $20 for an MD's office visit and $50 co-pay for an ER visit, unless such visit results in hospitalization--then it's waived.

Neither pays the $185 deductible for Part B.


Both are the same in relation to Part A.

So, should I stick with my Plan N or look into a Plan G? I have a week and a half to change without penalty...still within my 30 day look-see time period. The premiums would go up $26/mo.


I could also move to a Plan F, but the premiums are horrendous....almost $200/mo. Guess there may be something to worry about with excess charges after all if the insurance from those three mentioned plans are vastly different (Plan N--$95/mo, Plan G--$120/mo, Plan F--$200/mo.)

So, what would you do? Money is not infinite.


And as an aside, who in their right mind takes Medicare Advantage plans? While they don't cost anything or much at all, they do nothing for covering the not covered expenses one is left with from Original Medicare. All I can see them doing is forcing you into a particular ins. co's network and be unable to use your ins. outside the network without suffering from huge out-of-network charges. Orig. Medicare, along with Medigap ins., have no network restrictions whatsoever.


So......whatcha do?
 

nakedfrog

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Me? Having had no idea what it cost previously, I can see why people are interested in Medicare for all.
 

Sgt. York

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Medicare advantage {part c} covers a lot that medicare part a doesn't cover. Part a basically just covers hospitalization.
 

JEDIYoda

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It can be very confusing!! Fortunately for me what Medicare A - Hospital and B - Medical doe not cover my secondary covers and if my secondary doesn`t cover it I have still no out of pocket expenses!! With that said -- I earned every penny of my benefits!!
 

BoomerD

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I have Humana Medicare Advantage. $10 co-pays for most dr. Visits, $50 for specialists. ALL my meds are sent to me by mail at $0charge. (that by itself more than pays the $0monthly premium) :p
Is it perfect? Hell no...but it's much better ( for me) than just parts A&B.
 
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JEDIYoda

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I would be remiss in not saying if you just have Medicare A&B you will need to have something else for your secondary!! To pay the difference or a portion of the difference!!
 

Meghan54

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I have Humana Medicare Advantage. $10 co-pays for most dr. Visits, $50 for specialists. ALL my meds are sent to me by mail at $0charge. (that by itself more than pays the $0monthly premium) :p
Is it perfect? Hell no...but it's much better ( for me) than just parts A&B.

You do realize that you essentially have just Parts A & B with: vision (I have a separate vision plan for $5/mo), dental (almost worthless ins., like most dental plans...1 yr. wait for anything other than simple X-rays and cleaning and exam and then a $1000 cap lifetime for "serious" dental problems). What you've gained are co-pays for doctors, which Original Part B doesn't have, a network you must use or pay full boat (because your Medicare isn't available to use anywhere Medicare is taken, only in your network---I found that single restriction too restricting since I do travel hither and yon on occasion.)

It is nice you got a $0 policy which includes your pharm, vision, and prob. dental, however useful the latter truly is. But what, outside the vision, dental ins. does the MA plan you have cover? Anything outside normal Medicare? Does it pay Part A deduction, Part B deduction, continue paying a hospital after Medicare runs out for you in the current year?

But what if you end up with a stroke, spend a month in Neuro ICU after having surgery to clip your aneurysm, then spend 4 months in a skilled nsg. care home, doing tons of OT and PT rehab? With M. Advantage plans overall, you've got a huge bill facing you.

How? True, Medicare pays for the first 60 days in the hospital, after a $1365 deductible. But after 60 days, you pay $341/day from day 61-day 90. Then, if you're really unlucky and still stuck in a hospital (which happens quite frequently as we age, sadly), after day 91, it's $682/day for 60 days (your lifetime reserve from Medicare.) Then, after day that, you're completely on your own.

About that skilled nursing care facility where you got sent for prolonged OT and PT.....Medicare pays all for the first 20 days, then you pay $170.50 thru day 100, then it's all on you. 20 days comes and goes real fast, esp. for cardiac rehab after a "BAD" MI or rehab after a serious stroke....can go on for months...and ain't something to be done at home unless you hate your family.

After working in the nursing profession for a few decades, to include in the military and civilian worlds, I have seen 100 days pass rather quickly after a "bad" heart attack that has some patients lingering in the hospital for 5-6 months or more.....or a "bad" stroke, or cancer, or a host of other maladies that can be bad enough to put you into a hospital yet not well enough to live at home. Skilled nursing care facilities are sometimes the answer, but they can be as expensive as being in the hospital, if not as safe, leaving you or family members with huge unpaid bills after you either go home or pass away.

Sorta the reasoning I got a Medigap ins. policy. The initial Medicare join time is the only time one can enroll in a Medigap plan without any health exams or qualifications. To get one afterwards can be damned near impossible and radically more expensive.
 

PowerEngineer

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i dont have any answers but wow, that sounds so freaking complicated

Very true! Anyone who is approaching 65 years of age needs to start very carefully weighing their options so that they are prepared to make good choices when their window for enrollment opens. Special attention needs to be paid to the choice of either traditional Medicare (i.e. Parts A, B, and D) or a Medicare Advantage plan (i.e. Part C). The latter usually provides more coverage (e.g. maybe vision, dental, prescriptions) but operates more like private insurance with more co-pays, deductibles, and networked providers.

FWIW, we decided to go the traditional Medicare route because we like the flexibility (and my wife hates dealing with networked providers). We added Plan F medi-gap (to cover things Part B doesn't). We also pay for a Part D prescription drug plan, and pay for vision and dental out of pocket. We have no regrets so far...
 

Micrornd

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Meghan54,
We are just looking into this. One of the things suggested to us was to look into a "long-term care" insurance policy.
That is on our list to do between now and April, when my wife retires and drops BCBS.
We are still sorting out the "gap" programs trying to find what's best for us.
In our area the hospital chains themselves have "gap" programs, you may want to look into those also if they are available in your area.
 

brianmanahan

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Meghan54,
We are just looking into this. One of the things suggested to us was to look into a "long-term care" insurance policy.
That is on our list to do between now and April, when my wife retires and drops BCBS.
We are still sorting out the "gap" programs trying to find what's best for us.
In our area the hospital chains themselves have "gap" programs, you may want to look into those also if they are available in your area.

i had read about LTC in some book/forum posts from ~10 years ago, so a couple years ago i quoted it for my parents.

it was definitely more expensive than i expected, about 600$ a month per person at that time. i think it had doubled or tripled in the few years since the book was written.

but i didn't really look around so maybe that company was just really high.
 

interchange

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My experience as a provider is that Medicare advantage plans are bad. Medicare is straightforward. It covers things and publishes the criteria for you to apply it with periodic audits which, unless you are committing fraud, are generally more like feedback to ensure you are documenting what you need to. Advantage plans will say they cover things but may provide huge hassles to providers to get something covered and push for you to leave a hospital before the doctors want, etc. They may heavily restrict where you could go if you need subacute rehab, whereas the "golden ticket" of Medicare is a very powerful tool when someone may be moving toward need for nursing home care. They may force you to use their providers whom you may not like, whereas Medicare is widely covered (but not universally). You are at more risk of being out of network for some parts of hospital or surgical care leaving you with big bills you couldn't have anticipated. If you like their providers, it's not a bad deal for people who are healthy, and it may give a lot of perks for preventive type care and incentives to keep yourself healthy. A more unified system of providers can aid communication. It's not all bad, but thing is health can change very quickly.

Medicare D plans are generally ok in my experience. There is the donut hole which can put people in bad spots if they live on a tighter budget. My impression is that formularies are somewhat more limited than a typical commercial comprehensive plan.

A Medicare supplement makes more sense to me, but is the most expensive. If you can afford it, I'd go that route. It isn't necessary, but it makes it a lot easier to get quality care when it is needed and to not end up with a big financial burden at the end.

Long term care insurance is also good, but I'd be very careful to make sure someone who knows better looks it over before signing up for a policy.
 

hardhat

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Long term care insurance used to be quite good (it has paid for my grandmother to stay in a nursing home from about 70-97), but the newer plans often have extremely limited lifetime payouts.
 

JEDIYoda

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Also if I might add...….
The hospitals that are in my area are a "non Profit" and they have what is called some sort of a foundation that solicits funds and also unbeknownst to some they also might be able to help with your bill!
I know of 2 instances personally where a man died with no insurance and had 8 kids! None of them grown!
Because I knew a few people I was able to get his wife an appointment with the director of the foundation!
Short version -- the foundation paid all his $70,000 in hospital bills! Of course they used that as an example of helping the needy, but dtill the bill was paid!
It never hurts to ask....eve...all they can do is say NO!! But they can also say YES!!