He is debating against a seasoned con-artist! Doesn't the fact that Bush is not smooth with words say something positive to you? It does for me, it says he has some integrity, and isn't trying to feed us a line of bullcrap like a certain Democrat rival.
Of course Bush sounds dumb...
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Yea, there's gotta be some reason that he sounds dumb and isn't otherwise I'd be dumb to vote for him and that's just not possible, is it?
The reason people are trying to make Bush sound dumb is that he has the better plan for America then Gore. They can't attack him on the issues so they attach his way of speaking.
Look at Moonbeam, the archtypical liberal, nothing about the issues, just a poor try at slander.
It's the big lie theory, keep repeating something enough times and soon the guilable will start to believe it. I am not that guilable.
Look at Moonbeam, the archtypical liberal, nothing about the issues, just a poor try at slander.
It's the big lie theory, keep repeating something enough times and soon the guilable will start to believe it. I am not that guilable.
I agree that Gore is most definitely the more polished liar of the two, and in fact, I really do consider him the more intelligent of the two. Intelligence alone clearly is not a good thing -- Hillary is a prime example, she's very intelligent, but one of the worst so called 'leaders' the country will ever see.
Intelligence matched with sincerity, honesty, common sence and comapassion makes a leader. Gore has one of these, Bush has 2.
Intelligence matched with sincerity, honesty, common sence and comapassion makes a leader. Gore has one of these, Bush has 2.
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I am not trying to start a flame war (too late?), but which 2 of these qualities does Bush manifest?
Certainly intelligence, common sense, and honesty are not his strong suits (Remember his total lack of candor about his cocaine use? I wish I could categorically refuse to take responsibility for everything I do before I turn 40 on the basis that I am young and foolish), and anyone who has read his infamous Talk magazine interview or even paid a modicum of attention to some of the questionable cases for which Texas has executed people under his regime should be skeptical of his compassion or sincerity as well.
I don't really dislike Bush per se but I can't see giving him too much credit for any of these qualities as compared to the average Joe.
Certainly intelligence, common sense, and honesty are not his strong suits (Remember his total lack of candor about his cocaine use? I wish I could categorically refuse to take responsibility for everything I do before I turn 40 on the basis that I am young and foolish), and anyone who has read his infamous Talk magazine interview or even paid a modicum of attention to some of the questionable cases for which Texas has executed people under his regime should be skeptical of his compassion or sincerity as well.
I don't really dislike Bush per se but I can't see giving him too much credit for any of these qualities as compared to the average Joe.
I'd have to give him sincerity and compassion (and possibly a little dose of common sense, though sometimes he seems to lose that in the glare of camera lights).
Like him or not, I do believe he intends to do well and isn't as manipulative as other (previous and current) candidates.... so I'll give him sincerity.
Executing criminals is his duty under the law in the state of Texas. Even if he wanted to, he alone could not stay an execution in Texas -- all the governor there does is provide a 'recommendation' to a board of appeals, which they can ignore if they so choose. Besides, those criminals deserve it based on what they've done, the gov just has to make sure he really does believe they have received due process and that they are actually guilty of that which they've been accused of. I like the fact that Bush has the balls to go through with it even at the possible cost of going against current polical 'winds'.
Sure, he's a politician just like every other one, but he does appear to be at least somewhat compassionate, not just when it benefits him politically to publically show 'compassion'.
The problem with Bush is that he's just not that bright...
Like him or not, I do believe he intends to do well and isn't as manipulative as other (previous and current) candidates.... so I'll give him sincerity.
Executing criminals is his duty under the law in the state of Texas. Even if he wanted to, he alone could not stay an execution in Texas -- all the governor there does is provide a 'recommendation' to a board of appeals, which they can ignore if they so choose. Besides, those criminals deserve it based on what they've done, the gov just has to make sure he really does believe they have received due process and that they are actually guilty of that which they've been accused of. I like the fact that Bush has the balls to go through with it even at the possible cost of going against current polical 'winds'.
Sure, he's a politician just like every other one, but he does appear to be at least somewhat compassionate, not just when it benefits him politically to publically show 'compassion'.
The problem with Bush is that he's just not that bright...
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Since the Democrats value appearance over substance, the man-tanned, Ronald Regan look-alike wanna-be is much more to their taste.
Don't you just love how Gore keeps stating that Bush "favors the richest 1% of Americans with his tax cuts", and fails to mention that the richest 1% pay 1/3rd of the taxes in the nation?
Enginer9... good point! (if it is indeed true).
I've voted republican for a while, but I can't vote Bush. McCain: A big Hell-Yes! But Bush is not what he appears to be. He has muddled his way through life relying on people to open doors for him because he is a 'Bush'. That is wrong, plain and simple. He is *not* qualified to lead a group of brownies to a shopping mall, let along the most powerful nation on the earth. Oh, and don't say 'well what about texas'... I live here, and he seems to have more detractors than supporters. But the same can be said about Gore and Tenessee. The real problem is that we are a nation of some 270 million, and all we could come up for candidates were these 2 bozos!
So let me get this straight. The fact that Bush sounds dumb is a virtue? Hmmm, I wonder how many employers would think so?
This one is quite a stretch. Before someone accuses me of not citing real issues, see my other posts. I am simply responding to the stated admission that Bush does sound dumb and that it should be considered something favorable. That's a crock.
This one is quite a stretch. Before someone accuses me of not citing real issues, see my other posts. I am simply responding to the stated admission that Bush does sound dumb and that it should be considered something favorable. That's a crock.
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They always seem to forget that fact. With out the rich to take risks, pay taxes and create jobs, where would they be? Government doesnt produce anything. They take from those who do on the pretense of making life better and then waste most of it. The same things as the stock market, you take the risk but they want part of your profits through capital gains. The Japaneese have the highest rate of savings in the world and guess what? No capital gains tax. I know they have a lot of other problems so no flames here, please.
Most of the Democrats are the richest people in the US. Take Gebhart for example. The big difference I see is that most of the Dems money is inheritied and the Reps is earned. Know there are exceptions, please. It is easy to be in polics when you have always had money and never had to worry about the day to day problems of most of us, How about a candidate who was poor once?
OK, Rant mode off as a lot of people say. Lets hear it.
They always seem to forget that fact. With out the rich to take risks, pay taxes and create jobs, where would they be? Government doesnt produce anything. They take from those who do on the pretense of making life better and then waste most of it. The same things as the stock market, you take the risk but they want part of your profits through capital gains. The Japaneese have the highest rate of savings in the world and guess what? No capital gains tax. I know they have a lot of other problems so no flames here, please.
Most of the Democrats are the richest people in the US. Take Gebhart for example. The big difference I see is that most of the Dems money is inheritied and the Reps is earned. Know there are exceptions, please. It is easy to be in polics when you have always had money and never had to worry about the day to day problems of most of us, How about a candidate who was poor once?
OK, Rant mode off as a lot of people say. Lets hear it.
DaBoneHead
The polls suggest Texas is a lock for shrub. Do you suggest otherwise?
I don't think your a bone head at all. Seems you do quite well with your noggin.
The polls suggest Texas is a lock for shrub. Do you suggest otherwise?
I don't think your a bone head at all. Seems you do quite well with your noggin.
Let me clarify, Bush sounds dumb IN COMPARISON to the seasoned liar & slick talker Gore. Actually, Bush sounds like a normal guy to me. That is what is reassuring.
<< I agree that Gore is most definitely the more polished liar of the two, >>
So you agree that Bush is a Liar too, just as not as good a liar as Gore. In fact, maybe he's a better liar because he isn't exposeds as easily as Gore is when he lies
Red, politicians are (unfortunatly) inherent liars, but Gore has just done so much blatant lying, whereas I don't really know of any particular situations where Bush flat out lied.
<< I agree that Gore is most definitely the more polished liar of the two, >>
So you agree that Bush is a Liar too, just as not as good a liar as Gore. In fact, maybe he's a better liar because he isn't exposeds as easily as Gore is when he lies
Red, politicians are (unfortunatly) inherent liars, but Gore has just done so much blatant lying, whereas I don't really know of any particular situations where Bush flat out lied.
thebestmax
<< Government doesnt produce anything. >>
You must live in the boonies or something to make a statement like that.
Do you ever drive down the street or walk down the sidewalk? Guess who takes care of that?
Yup the "evil government (Department of Transportation + your state transportation agency.)
Do you even have a job? Guess who determines minimum wages, benefits, working conditions etc?
Yup the "evil" government (Department of Labor).
Do you even have any formal education? There's the "evil" government again
(Department of Education)
Guess who jails all the big time drug dealers and mobsters? Yup the "evil" government
again (Department of Justice)
Whine, whine, whine...Need I go on?
<< Government doesnt produce anything. >>
You must live in the boonies or something to make a statement like that.
Do you ever drive down the street or walk down the sidewalk? Guess who takes care of that?
Yup the "evil government (Department of Transportation + your state transportation agency.)
Do you even have a job? Guess who determines minimum wages, benefits, working conditions etc?
Yup the "evil" government (Department of Labor).
Do you even have any formal education? There's the "evil" government again
(Department of Education)
Guess who jails all the big time drug dealers and mobsters? Yup the "evil" government
again (Department of Justice)
Whine, whine, whine...Need I go on?
<< Do you ever drive down the street or walk down the sidewalk? Guess who takes care of that?
Yup the "evil government (Department of Transportation + your state transportation agency.) >>
403Forbidden,
Is this same government that pays several million dollars of our money for each frickin' mile of highway built? The same government that pays high wages to a bunch of fat-ass contruction workers so they can rest against their shovels 7 out of 8 hours each day?
Government can and does good things. That does not excuse their abusive spending habits. Who's been at the reigns to allow this to happen? Democrats. Replubicans. Think about it.
<< He sounds dumb compared to any Office holder whose job it is to know certain facts >>
So, Red, if you had to go to war who would you want at your side, Albert or Shrub? Who would ya trust with your life? (and taking your own life prematurely is not the correct answer here).
Yup the "evil government (Department of Transportation + your state transportation agency.) >>
403Forbidden,
Is this same government that pays several million dollars of our money for each frickin' mile of highway built? The same government that pays high wages to a bunch of fat-ass contruction workers so they can rest against their shovels 7 out of 8 hours each day?
Government can and does good things. That does not excuse their abusive spending habits. Who's been at the reigns to allow this to happen? Democrats. Replubicans. Think about it.
<< He sounds dumb compared to any Office holder whose job it is to know certain facts >>
So, Red, if you had to go to war who would you want at your side, Albert or Shrub? Who would ya trust with your life? (and taking your own life prematurely is not the correct answer here).
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403,
I think we have gone over this topic before but since you cant remember anything past your last toke or snort or whatever, here we go again.
<< Government doesnt produce anything. >>
You must live in the boonies or something to make a statement like that.
Do you ever drive down the street or walk down the sidewalk? Guess who takes care of that?
WHO PAYS FOR ALL THIS AND OVERPAYS FOR POOR WORKMANSHIP???
Yup the "evil government (Department of Transportation + your state transportation agency.)
Do you even have a job? Guess who determines minimum wages, benefits, working conditions etc?
YEP, I PAID MORE IN TAXES LAST YEAR THAN YOU WILL PROBABLY EVER EARN BUT THAT WAS EARNED WORKING OVER 60 HOURS A WEEK NOT SITTING ON MY ASS WAITING FOR A HANDOUT. Im against minimum wage, by the way and benefits are earned, not an entitlement.
Yup the "evil" government (Department of Labor).
Do you even have any formal education? There's the "evil" government again
(Department of Education)
PRIVATE JESUIT SCHOOL PAID FOR BY MY MONEY AND GI BILL. I served my country and earned my education, did you?
Guess who jails all the big time drug dealers and mobsters? Yup the "evil" government
again (Department of Justice)
AND DOES IT WITH TAXPAYER MONEY AND WHAT THE DOJ DID TO MICROSOFT AND OTHER TAXPAYING COMPANIES IS UNTHINKABLE.
Whine, whine, whine...Need I go on?
MOD-
BAN ME FOR A PERSONAL ATTACK IF YOU MUST BUT I THINK HE DID IT FIRST!
I think we have gone over this topic before but since you cant remember anything past your last toke or snort or whatever, here we go again.
<< Government doesnt produce anything. >>
You must live in the boonies or something to make a statement like that.
Do you ever drive down the street or walk down the sidewalk? Guess who takes care of that?
WHO PAYS FOR ALL THIS AND OVERPAYS FOR POOR WORKMANSHIP???
Yup the "evil government (Department of Transportation + your state transportation agency.)
Do you even have a job? Guess who determines minimum wages, benefits, working conditions etc?
YEP, I PAID MORE IN TAXES LAST YEAR THAN YOU WILL PROBABLY EVER EARN BUT THAT WAS EARNED WORKING OVER 60 HOURS A WEEK NOT SITTING ON MY ASS WAITING FOR A HANDOUT. Im against minimum wage, by the way and benefits are earned, not an entitlement.
Yup the "evil" government (Department of Labor).
Do you even have any formal education? There's the "evil" government again
(Department of Education)
PRIVATE JESUIT SCHOOL PAID FOR BY MY MONEY AND GI BILL. I served my country and earned my education, did you?
Guess who jails all the big time drug dealers and mobsters? Yup the "evil" government
again (Department of Justice)
AND DOES IT WITH TAXPAYER MONEY AND WHAT THE DOJ DID TO MICROSOFT AND OTHER TAXPAYING COMPANIES IS UNTHINKABLE.
Whine, whine, whine...Need I go on?
MOD-
BAN ME FOR A PERSONAL ATTACK IF YOU MUST BUT I THINK HE DID IT FIRST!
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I get tired of people saying "so and so is dumb" and "so and so is a liar". The fact remains that these 2 are the guys that are running for president. Instead of saying the other guy is stupid or the other guy is a liar, why not say positive things about your candidate? Granted, I've said my fair share of bad things about Gore, but I've tempered them with other statements. For instance, Gore has a tendency to exaggerate. He's not really lying. While he was quoted as saying he invented the internet, he really meant something else. I guess in his zest for making a point, he tacks on a little extra to emphasize the point. No one can be so stupid as to make some of the lies(exaggerations) that he's made.
As for Bush having things done for him because of who he is, who's to say that Gore or Clinton or whoever hasn't had the same doors opened for them because of their last name?
<< How in the hell do we expect the American Voters to make an intelligent selection for Presisdent when there aren't any? >>
People have been apathetic about politics and exercising their right to vote for years. This is our just desserts.
By the way, the President has advisors for a reason. I doubt that the most erudite of presidents ever knew the names of every single leader of every single country that he may have to face. The President doesn't run the USA the way someone would run a small business. He doesn't make every single decision.
When you get right down to it, posting anything about either candidate here in the forum is almost a sure way to start a flame war, because no one is ever going to be convinced that they're wrong. The only thing that will happen is that someone is going to type the wrong thing and someone else gets mad.
That's my take on the situation.
As for Bush having things done for him because of who he is, who's to say that Gore or Clinton or whoever hasn't had the same doors opened for them because of their last name?
<< How in the hell do we expect the American Voters to make an intelligent selection for Presisdent when there aren't any? >>
People have been apathetic about politics and exercising their right to vote for years. This is our just desserts.
By the way, the President has advisors for a reason. I doubt that the most erudite of presidents ever knew the names of every single leader of every single country that he may have to face. The President doesn't run the USA the way someone would run a small business. He doesn't make every single decision.
When you get right down to it, posting anything about either candidate here in the forum is almost a sure way to start a flame war, because no one is ever going to be convinced that they're wrong. The only thing that will happen is that someone is going to type the wrong thing and someone else gets mad.
That's my take on the situation.
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No reply from 403 yet so I guess he is on his way home from his minimum wage job where he cheats his employer out of valuble time by just posting on the net all day.
No offense to all you others who post all day intended.
No offense to all you others who post all day intended.
<< The fact remains that these 2 are the guys that are running for president >>
Spoooon, um, actually there are at least a dozen candidates running. I realize the fact that the two-party mentality is still alive and strong in america today and that point was driven home to me during the first debate when Ralph Nader wasn't even allowed in the building to watch the debates even though he had a ticket.
<< I'd want Bush, I'm sure I'd be able to talk his dumb ass into taking point. >>
Bush might be able to bribe the enemy into looking the other way. Gore might be able to confuse the enemy into dropping his gun. Yet either way I fear you'd get killed, Red, or at least dishonorably discharged for beating the sh!t out of your buddy.
Spoooon, um, actually there are at least a dozen candidates running. I realize the fact that the two-party mentality is still alive and strong in america today and that point was driven home to me during the first debate when Ralph Nader wasn't even allowed in the building to watch the debates even though he had a ticket.
<< I'd want Bush, I'm sure I'd be able to talk his dumb ass into taking point. >>
Bush might be able to bribe the enemy into looking the other way. Gore might be able to confuse the enemy into dropping his gun. Yet either way I fear you'd get killed, Red, or at least dishonorably discharged for beating the sh!t out of your buddy.
thebestmax,
<< WHO PAYS FOR ALL THIS AND OVERPAYS FOR POOR WORKMANSHIP??? >>
Can you site instances of "overpaying for poor workmanship"? There might be
a handful at most, but I think the majority of transportation projects have
been very succesful. California has one of the most efficient transporation
systems. Yes, you will be mired in traffic if you drive rush hour in SF or LA.
But it is they have still done a good job.
Or maybe where you live, every single road is so shoddy that you get flat tires
everytime you drive? I'd like to hear what you suggest if every single public road you've driven/walked on is so "poor".
<< YEP, I PAID MORE IN TAXES LAST YEAR THAN YOU WILL PROBABLY EVER EARN BUT THAT WAS EARNED WORKING OVER 60 HOURS A WEEK NOT SITTING ON MY ASS WAITING FOR A HANDOUT. Im against minimum wage, by the way and benefits are earned, not an entitlement. >>
Ok you've already proved yourself illogical by being outright against
any sort of minimum wage. Take Economics 101 and learn something about
commerce. And your assertion about paying more tax than I earn
is laughable LOL.
<< PRIVATE JESUIT SCHOOL PAID FOR BY MY MONEY AND GI BILL. I served my country and earned my education, did you? >>
Oh..SO IT SEEMS YOU PROFITED OF THE BACKS OF TAXPAYERS AS WELL???!!!
Guess who funds the GI BILL...yup that's Government/taxpayer money. Hypocrite.
Did I serve my country? No. Did I "earn" my education? Yes.
<< AND DOES IT WITH TAXPAYER MONEY AND WHAT THE DOJ DID TO MICROSOFT AND OTHER TAXPAYING COMPANIES IS UNTHINKABLE >>
Another illogical statement. How do you expect the DOJ to prosecute criminals w/o
taxpayer money? So the DOJ prosecutes Microsoft and you think that is "bad."
So what is your solution then? Just wipe out the DOJ. Illogical...just like the
rest of your "arguments".
<< No reply from 403 yet so I guess he is on his way home from his minimum wage job
where he cheats his employer out of valuble time by just posting on the net all day. >>
Another lame attempt to avoid debate and instead concentrate on personally attacking me.
Beleive if you wish that I am some "minimum wage earner cheating my employer"..hahahahahha lol
you're just making yourself look really ignorant.
<< WHO PAYS FOR ALL THIS AND OVERPAYS FOR POOR WORKMANSHIP??? >>
Can you site instances of "overpaying for poor workmanship"? There might be
a handful at most, but I think the majority of transportation projects have
been very succesful. California has one of the most efficient transporation
systems. Yes, you will be mired in traffic if you drive rush hour in SF or LA.
But it is they have still done a good job.
Or maybe where you live, every single road is so shoddy that you get flat tires
everytime you drive? I'd like to hear what you suggest if every single public road you've driven/walked on is so "poor".
<< YEP, I PAID MORE IN TAXES LAST YEAR THAN YOU WILL PROBABLY EVER EARN BUT THAT WAS EARNED WORKING OVER 60 HOURS A WEEK NOT SITTING ON MY ASS WAITING FOR A HANDOUT. Im against minimum wage, by the way and benefits are earned, not an entitlement. >>
Ok you've already proved yourself illogical by being outright against
any sort of minimum wage. Take Economics 101 and learn something about
commerce. And your assertion about paying more tax than I earn
is laughable LOL.
<< PRIVATE JESUIT SCHOOL PAID FOR BY MY MONEY AND GI BILL. I served my country and earned my education, did you? >>
Oh..SO IT SEEMS YOU PROFITED OF THE BACKS OF TAXPAYERS AS WELL???!!!
Guess who funds the GI BILL...yup that's Government/taxpayer money. Hypocrite.
Did I serve my country? No. Did I "earn" my education? Yes.
<< AND DOES IT WITH TAXPAYER MONEY AND WHAT THE DOJ DID TO MICROSOFT AND OTHER TAXPAYING COMPANIES IS UNTHINKABLE >>
Another illogical statement. How do you expect the DOJ to prosecute criminals w/o
taxpayer money? So the DOJ prosecutes Microsoft and you think that is "bad."
So what is your solution then? Just wipe out the DOJ. Illogical...just like the
rest of your "arguments".
<< No reply from 403 yet so I guess he is on his way home from his minimum wage job
where he cheats his employer out of valuble time by just posting on the net all day. >>
Another lame attempt to avoid debate and instead concentrate on personally attacking me.
Beleive if you wish that I am some "minimum wage earner cheating my employer"..hahahahahha lol
you're just making yourself look really ignorant.
Republicans, if Gore stumbled over every other word you would be all over him too. I think he sounds dumb because he IS dumb.
I wouldn't want my president to be negotiating with the Chinese or Palestinians or Russians if he sounded dumb. Can you imagine how hard it would be to translate Bush's speach into Chinese or Russian? Eep. Part of being president is being confident and knowing everything that you truly believe in so as to be able to convey it to others. I don't want my president to sound and act weak around the leader of China, it just wouldn't bode well for relations. That is part of the reason why President Clinton is so good at what he does, he is confident and intelligent. While you may not respect his beliefs, you will listen when he talks because he is so charismatic, unless, of course, you are totally disrespectful, you will listen.
I simply wouldn't feel confident having someone who doesn't have an aura of confidence around him and at least SOUND like he knows what he's talking about, regardless of his beliefs.
When you are confident, the people around you feel more secure and are more likely to buy into what you are saying and will respect you more.
By the way, Bush really isn't the smartest fellow. He had a failed oil company and didn't get such wonderful grades in school.
I wouldn't want my president to be negotiating with the Chinese or Palestinians or Russians if he sounded dumb. Can you imagine how hard it would be to translate Bush's speach into Chinese or Russian? Eep. Part of being president is being confident and knowing everything that you truly believe in so as to be able to convey it to others. I don't want my president to sound and act weak around the leader of China, it just wouldn't bode well for relations. That is part of the reason why President Clinton is so good at what he does, he is confident and intelligent. While you may not respect his beliefs, you will listen when he talks because he is so charismatic, unless, of course, you are totally disrespectful, you will listen.
I simply wouldn't feel confident having someone who doesn't have an aura of confidence around him and at least SOUND like he knows what he's talking about, regardless of his beliefs.
When you are confident, the people around you feel more secure and are more likely to buy into what you are saying and will respect you more.
By the way, Bush really isn't the smartest fellow. He had a failed oil company and didn't get such wonderful grades in school.
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