of all the idiots...cont.

[convex]

i'm way way way too lazy to search, but just wanted to let you guys know that the police officer that shot the guy with the rake is being charged with manslaughter. The good man needs to be locked up for the full 15...

http://www.cnn.com/2000/US/09/27/officer.arriagned/index.html

 

[Czar]

<< Detroit police have shot to death 47 people in the past six years, with three of the shootings occurring the the last three months. In each case, police said they took action because they felt threatened, but Mayor Dennis Archer on Monday asked for a federal investigation of the department. >>



Hurrey for justice. This is a start at least.

 

[Viper GTS]

Hooray for justice?

Give me a 4 foot gravel rake, &amp; then we'll see if you &quot;feel threatened.&quot; Better yet, let's see how much damage I can do to your skull with just one good hit. Like body piercing? How about 5 3&quot; holes in your head?

The media plays the whole deaf thing a little too much for my tastes. You don't have to be able to hear to know that:

1) Threatening a cop with a rake isn't a good idea.
2) When a cop has a gun pointed at you, he means business.

It will be an injustice if the cop is punished in any way, shape, or form.

This is just another example of people not willing to accept the consequences of their actions.

[EDIT]And another thing... The cop doesn't look that white to me. The NAACP should mind their own fvcking business &amp; go fight slavery somewhere. There's plenty of it going on in this world, we don't need their help in the US anymore.[/EDIT]

Viper GTS

 

[Czar]

Like I say if a cop goes to see some 4 year old kids and those kids would come at him with those little plastic shovels and the cop would shoot every one of them you would STILL defend the cop.

 

[Viper GTS]

Umm...

Yeah, Czar. Not only would I support him, I'd hand him clips so he can further the carnage.

Get real, and don't be an idiot.

A grown man with a 4 foot wooden handled rake is not a child with a plastic toy. The man is a threat to the officer's life, the child is not.

In fact, if it will make you feel better, I will wear earplugs AND active noise cancelling headphones while we do our little test.

Viper GTS

 

[Czar]

Viper

 

[3615buck]

Did the cop really have to kill him ?
If he really felt threatened and really had to shoot (which I doubt), couldn't he simply shoot him in the arm or in the leg ?

 

[Stallion]

The problem with shoting them in the arm or leg is then they would sue you for that too. Haven't you ever heard that if someone breaks into your house you need to shot to kill because if you just wound them then they will in turn sue you for injuring them. Don't forget that after you shot the burgler to then place jewelry and some money in their hand.

 

[Viper GTS]

Police officers are specifically trained to use their gun as deadly force. They don't &quot;simply shoot (for) the arm or in the leg.&quot; They shoot for body mass, which is the torso. Easier to hit, &amp; more stopping power.

Viper GTS

 

[403Forbidden]

gotta put a leash on rouge cops

 

[StageLeft]

One of the cops in detroit I read on CNN yesterday, in the last 7 years has been involved in 9 shootings - 3 fatal and 6 injuries!! He shouldn't be on the streets anymore...

 

[Psychoholic]

Uhhh Skoorb before you start quoting those stats on a cop maybe you should at least find out the circumstances surrounding the incidents before you judge him. He could have been justified in those shootings, don't just automatically accept everything the media tells you.

 

[desy]

The charge is probably political.
He was a rookie who made a mistake, they are still people.
It will go through the court system and will probably be aquitted.
Just like Marty McSorley is going to court for assalt in a hockey game. I feel he will get off but some bored prosecuter wants to make a name for himself is dragging it through.
The legal defense is their is implied consent to violence in a hockey game, he claims he was trying to strike Don on the shoulder which is hockeyesque for &quot;lets fight&quot; and missed, if he supplies reasonable doubt he is off.
Same for this poor rookie cop, there will be enough reasonable doubt for him to get off.

 

[Czar]

<< He was a rookie who made a mistake, they are still people. >>



True but in his line of work you are not allowed to make mistakes like that, if you make one you are fired and charged, this is how it should be.

Rookie &quot;Oh my god, its my first day at work and I killed this old lady&quot;
Oldie &quot;Ah nevermind, you get at least one more go before they charge you&quot;

 

[DAM]

bad circumstances for the cop, i hope everything turns out ok for him and he doesnt get too big or a punishment, preferable none.







dam(look at my rake go)

 

[Psychoholic]

I hardly see shooting someone who is threatning by swinging a gravel rake as a mistake. I see it as necessary force.

 

[desy]

I agree that police work is probably not for him, but I still stand by he should be found innocent. Lets see doctors make mistakes all the time, kill people, pay their insurance and continue on. I'm not going to judge his actions without sitting in the courtroom and hearing ALL the evidence. Thats one of the problems with NA society today is we all fell we are guaranteed total safety and recourse when things go wrong. With over 6 billion people on the planet sh1t happens and not everyone is going to get justice or safety assured.
People used to worry about simply surviving 100 yrs ago.
Sorry, I believe we should strive for ideals but I still live in reality.

 

[Rogue]

Anyone here ever try feeling threatened, being under extreme stress, probably lacking in the sleep department and trying to shoot someone in the leg or arm with a handgun while listening for radio traffic and trying to make a safe shot without the bullet straying into an innocent's house and killing someone unintentionally? When you pull your weapon, you are trained that you are pulling it for a reason, to shoot center mass and eliminate a threat to yourself or the general populous. I am willing to bet that most of you who are against this cop have probably never even shot a handgun, or any gun for that matter, because you're a bunch of bleeding heart, &quot;everyone is good no matter what they've done&quot; type people. BTW, I am trained and work in law enforcement. As a cop, you are a target, always. Even the good people hate you until they need you.

 

[thebestMAX]

Go STALLION &amp; VIPER

People used to respect and listen to Police Officers. Now they ignore what an officer says and diddely bop along on their merry way. What part of &quot;Drop what you have in your hands&quot; didnt the poor criminal understand? Not this particular case maybe but a lot of others.

Yeah mistakes are made, no one is perfect but you can kill someone with a pencil as well as a rake.

Fear for your own life is what makes deadly force acceptable.

 

[zippy]

<< Hooray for justice?

Give me a 4 foot gravel rake, &amp; then we'll see if you &quot;feel threatened.&quot; Better yet, let's see how much damage I can do to your skull with just one good hit. Like body piercing? How about 5 3&quot; holes in your head?

The media plays the whole deaf thing a little too much for my tastes. You don't have to be able to hear to know that:

1) Threatening a cop with a rake isn't a good idea.
2) When a cop has a gun pointed at you, he means business.

It will be an injustice if the cop is punished in any way, shape, or form.

This is just another example of people not willing to accept the consequences of their actions.

[EDIT]And another thing... The cop doesn't look that white to me. The NAACP should mind their own fvcking business &amp; go fight slavery somewhere. There's plenty of it going on in this world, we don't need their help in the US anymore.[/EDIT]

Viper GTS >>



Ditto, 'cept I'd have zippy at the end, not &quot;Viper GTS&quot;.

 

[Optimus]

Threads like this one make me miss Yawmark on these boards... anyone else remember his sig? Best one yet I thought.

 

[DaBoneHead]

I'm not gonna argue the lethality of garden implements but...

why can't they shoot a leg or something...


In tampa last year, a woman was shot and killed because she had a knife, and she was hysterical. I don't know if she ran at a cop, was running in circles, or what, but if I was the cop, I'd have a hard time living with myself because I didn't do a better job of trying to restrain her, or if you had to shoot, dont shoot to the center of the chest.

Cops usually carry pepper spray too. But more importantly, why make every shot be a kill shot? I think (actually, I know) cops are a bit trigger happy. But that is a different rant...

But that is just my opinion...

 

[Psychoholic]

<< why can't they shoot a leg or something... >>


That was already addressed previously in this thread. The torso/upper body is the easiest to hit and it's what they are trained to shoot at. Sometimes you only get one chance, why risk it on something you may miss??

 

[desy]

Yep the morgue is full of police officers second guessing themselves.
In a career that dangerous reaction time is critical and he who hesitates is lost.
I did notice one thing in the article is the incredibly small amount of training given to their officers on the use of deadly force. 16 hrs? I spent that much getting my firearms safety which didn't include 'when its Ok to kill somebody' training.

 

[searcher]

If bad cops are not punished we will simply end up with more bad cops.
You people scare me.

Michael