OEMs make it hard for AMD.

[Atari2600]

Filters don't work properly for the AMD products. I wouldn't read much into it, it's probably a bug.

Sorry nope.

Benefit of the doubt stopped applying over 10 years ago.

 

[Atari2600]

C'mon man, you know you're not supposed to use 4 letter words here.

AT Moderator ElFenix

I count 2 four letter words in that sentence. 3 if you give a by ball to an apostrophe

 

[coercitiv]

Benefit of the doubt stopped applying over 10 years ago.

I wasn't appealing to benefit of the doubt, but common corporate sense: look at the filter menu, it was such a rushed up job they left the options in alphabetical order which means all AMD options are on top!



Meanwhile, as @Khato already mentioned, both the "Core i9" and "8th Gen.." options are just as useless as the AMD ones. It's probably already been spotted by their QC teams and a support ticket was issued with priority ZERO, meaning it will get fixed in a week or two, or more.

 

[B-Riz]

You overestimate how much companies care. Hell, even Smeltdown didn't seem to have much of an effect on Intel's client sales; only really the shortage. And it's going to be tough to compel them to switch on just more cores when most of the workloads is not much more than Office and Chrome.

Acer seemed pretty effing happy and caring with what AMD is offering with Zen2 and Navi, per the keynote.

And they are one of the largest mfg's of PC stuff in the world.

 

[Atari2600]

Ah, talk is cheap.

How many AMD based laptops are out there with top quality chassis?

 

[B-Riz]

Ah, talk is cheap.

How many AMD based laptops are out there with top quality chassis?

I think the HP Spectre? is really nice, but, I want a 7nm Zen2 laptop chip, lol.

 

[DarthKyrie]

Acer seemed pretty effing happy and caring with what AMD is offering with Zen2 and Navi, per the keynote.

And they are one of the largest mfg's of PC stuff in the world.

We aren't implying sexual acts here either.

AT Moderator ElFenix

 

[DrMrLordX]

If Dr. Su was a he the Acer guy would have been on his knees.

Oh dear.

On a more serious note, I wonder if Acer will get into the motherboard business? We need more X570 boards, stat! Preferably one for around $300, good VRMs and a massive passive heatsink on the chipset . . .

 

[chrisjames61]

Lol, can we resurrect Gateway with the cow print boxes, but with fair prices and a good website?

I remember actual brick and mortar Gateway stores in my area around 1996 or so. I think you couldn't actually buy anything in them. Just test machines and place orders. I was a Mac guy then.

 

[DarthKyrie]

We aren't implying sexual acts here either.

AT Moderator ElFenix

I would like to publically apologize for this inappropriate comment.

 

[aigomorla]

Its mostly because when your office / work place already has intel based processors deployed on the field, its a nightmare to cross platforms on that single platform line.

Hence why AMD has it hard, because there isnt many companies which have a solid AMD infrastructure.

True given that both machines will run linux and windows near identically, its still on a logistic end as well as support end.
Having to give tech support a extra script when they ask if this an AMD based processor or an Intel based processor, and having the computer illiterate person answer "i dont know" makes it extra backlog in the chain of lines.

Until AMD has probably a solid 10 yrs of deployment, or chains of company that decides they are done with intel and starts flipping all the EOL machines to AMD, its going to be very difficult for AMD to gain any foothold in any OEM market place.

 

[BigDaveX]

Its mostly because when your office / work place already has intel based processors deployed on the field, its a nightmare to cross platforms on that single platform line.

Hence why AMD has it hard, because there isnt many companies which have a solid AMD infrastructure.

True given that both machines will run linux and windows near identically, its still on a logistic end as well as support end.
Having to give tech support a extra script when they ask if this an AMD based processor or an Intel based processor, and having the computer illiterate person answer "i dont know" makes it extra backlog in the chain of lines.

Until AMD has probably a solid 10 yrs of deployment, or chains of company that decides they are done with intel and starts flipping all the EOL machines to AMD, its going to be very difficult for AMD to gain any foothold in any OEM market place.

I think this is something that people often fail to understand when they make predictions of AMD swiping huge chunks of marketshare from Intel in the near future. Yes, enthusiasts will likely be flocking to Zen 2 en masse... but large corporate buyers, the ones who will buy more computers to stock up a single office than most enthusiasts will ever buy in their lifetime, will buy either whatever is cheapest, or whatever fits into their current set-up better. And in both cases, that's still likely to be Intel.

Heck, for an example, just check Dell's current server line-up; there may be the odd Epyc in there, but about half of their servers are still based on Broadwell!

 

[DrMrLordX]

Heck, for an example, just check Dell's current server line-up; there may be the odd Epyc in there, but about half of their servers are still based on Broadwell!

You are probably right for office machines. Server room administrators are smarter than that. Rome will clear many of the barriers to entry in the server market (in fact, it's likely clearing them right now). You may still see soulless little Intel machines in the corporate offices for awhile, though. Eventually, drab AMD machines will overtake them if matters do not shift in Intel's favor.

 

[beginner99]

but large corporate buyers, the ones who will buy more computers to stock up a single office than most enthusiasts will ever buy in their lifetime, will buy either whatever is cheapest, or whatever fits into their current set-up better. And in both cases, that's still likely to be Intel.

True not to mention that AMD is lacking in the laptop sector anyway. In terms of power use intel for sure is ahead there and the 7nm APU is probably still 1 year away. Albeit RR2 seems to have greatly improved the power issue.