OEM or Retail cpu?

gummiely

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Is it better to get OEM or retail boxed cpu's? What are the tradeoffs?

Also, which technology is better? FD Trinitron or Diamondtron NF? I'm looking into 19" monitors, like Sony GPD-400, KDS-AV195TF, and IIYAMA VMPRO450/ A901HT. Suggestions? Opinions? Thanks..
 

Spook

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If you plan to overclock, and take the Heat-sync off, go for the OEM... Your going to void your warranty anyway...

Otherwise, I usually go with the retail for the 3 year warranty..
 

Terp

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I bought my new chip in the retail box because for the 3-year warranty; however, after giving it some thought, I am sure I will upgrade in about a year, as I did with my last 400MHZ chip....a year and a month to be exact...I think from now on, I go OEM...
 

Paco21

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Ive heard that Intel makes their best quality chips the retail boxed. With Katmai chips it made sense to buy retail for the warranty, higher quality fan and ease of installation. But with the socketed chips I think the heatsink/fan isnt attached to the chip anyway so none of that matters. Just be careful with the heatsink you buy, I think i heard that using a heatsink/fan on a fcpga that wasnt designed for that chip can cause the corners of the chip to fracture over time.
 

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better quality? OEM's are shipped to huge companies like Dell, IBM and compaq that make $10000-servers that need the highest level of quality......so it's definitely not worse quality, you just don't get a manual, and usually a shorter guarantee period.....
 

Paco21

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Im sure that companies like dell get retail quality chips, but the oem chips that you can get from your local pc shop tend to be the junkiest chips to come off intels lines, so I've heard from other posts.
 

Yoshi

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It depends on your needs. One is no better thant the other. If you just want to pop it in and go, buy a retail CPU for the heatsink and warranty. If you are going to overclock and experiment with coolers buy OEM and make things a little easier on yourself.
 

mcbiff

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The cooler thing doesn't matter anymore since the FC-PGA cpus come without it mounted. You can use ant cooler you want on a retail chip and still keep the warranty, this makes them a good deal I think. Plus there's the issue of the best chips going retail. All in all, I feel that's it's safer to just buy retail. The price difference isn't that big anyway.
 

sov05

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OEM chips don't overclock quite as well as the retail counterparts. The retail chips are def. higher quality, since they can overclock more.

They give these OEM chips to Dell and IBM knowing that they won't be overclocking much. Of course the chip will run at the default speed perfectly stable, regardless whether it is Retail or OEM. However, the Retail will run at higher overclocked speeds, than the OEM, in most cases.

For overclocking go Retail PIII.

For Athlons, I've found in matters much less.

But for PIII go retail box
 

Ulysses

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Prodigy:
I don't think it really matters, OEM or retail these days, but you've got it backwards. The OEM's only need chips that run at minimal spec because they're not making systems to be overclocked. Thus if Intel was to make any differentiation (and I doubt that they would or do), they'd give them the worst ones as long as they met spec. The old rule I'd heard was to avoid OEM for this reason, but I think that's an old wives tale today.

gummiely:
Check the databases here on reported overclocking results:

http://www.overclockers.com/

 

fr

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I have an OEM C533A and it's running at 936MHz at this moment.

OEM is usually cheaper by a few bucks. If you want a CPU and you want to be sure it hasn't been "pretested" (overclocking reject), go for a retail one. I used to think that retail ones were of higher quality, but it seems that there is no solid proof that there is any difference.
 

4824guy

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OEM is the cost effect way to go. YOu save some money, plus you usually get the 20-30 day warranty anyways. If you end up getting a bad CPU, you can still get a replacement for it.
 

JackMDS

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Retail CPU, comes in a sealed box. OEM CPU, comes to the retailer unpacked on a tray. Very easy to sort the o/c from the none o/c. You make the inference
 

Midnight Rambler

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Not all OEMs are alike. There are OEMs that come from legit, Intel-authorized dealers that receive them in the tray. And of course the ones that go to the big box builders. But there is also a huge gray market out there in OEMs, and these come from a variety of sources ... excess from the box builders, dealers selling excess, etc. There is a reason that some vendors only offer a 90 day on OEMs, or other vendors who sell a variety of OEMs, ie. with differing levels of warranty. I've seen the same CPU, but with either 15 day, 30 day, 90 day, or 1 year warranty, of course with different prices as well. Bottomline, know your vendor when you are dealing with OEM CPUs, otherwise buy a retail.
 

Vette73

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Intel or AMD is not going to make two different chips. They all come off the same line, some get a fancy box some don't, same way with video cards in white boxs and all the other parts. STOP SPREADING RUMORS, EGGHEADS. Now stop and get a life or talk about something that has real meaning.
 

Painman

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I've spent some time working in modern factories and most of them schedule production according to actual or projected demand... I'm sure Intel is no exception. Intel sells the majority of its high speed (800+) CPUs to resellers like Dell, Gateway, etc. as OEM parts. Accordingly, Intel (like most factories) probably makes production runs of CPUs of one particular speed at a time. Suppose Gateway wants 5,000 933 MHz CPUs. They'll fab a bunch of wafers, and if yield is good, most of them will pass and be shipped as 933s. The rest will go into a "reject" bin and will be retested when a production run of slower CPUs is needed. Therefore the binning process on the OEM side catches a large percentage of the highly clockable chips and leaves a lot of not-so-hot chips to be thrown in with production runs of lower speed OEM CPUs, many of which will be of the first-run-yield variety, but many of the throw-ins are going to be real duds overclocking wise.

The retail side is different though. The average consumer is content to pay between $200 and $300 for a retail CPU upgrade, which right now equates to a CPU between 600 and 750 MHz. Intel makes lots of profit on these mid-range retail CPUs, so you bet your buns that they schedule entire runs of CPUs to be sold at retail at these aforementioned speeds. Now, these orders for retail chips are being fulfilled from the same fab line as the crate of 933s that Intel shipped off to Gateway the week before, so in all likelihood the quality and yield on the wafers is the same... the difference is that they are only testing these chips for operation at 600 to 750 MHz. It doesn't matter that many of the chips could have been rated at 933 MHz instead; if they flooded the market with 933 MHz retail chips they'd have to drop the prices considerably across the entire product line and profits would plummet. So the chips get sold as 600Es, 650s, 700s and 750s at a respectable profit, and most of them are capable of running much faster, but that doesn't matter... it's economics at work, supply and demand. They are sold as what the end user is willing to pay for.

And that's why retail CPUs are a better overclocking bet than OEM ones... as it is written in the Book of Pain, retail chip production runs contain a lot more potentially overclockable first-run chips than OEM batches do. Of course I could be dead wrong, but this scenario makes the most sense to me, and I do actually have better luck overclocking retail chips vs. OEM ones.

-Pain
 

Maximus1

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Very well said, Pain....
Not sure if everything you said was total bullsh*t, but it certainly sounded convincing to me ;)
 

Scifione

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I have bought OEM AMD CPUs, and I am happy. Put the best HS and Fan you can on that OEM and OC that b|tch.
 

gummiely

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Thanks, everyone for the great feedback! Much appreciated. I think i'll go for an oem chip, and perhaps an asus p3v4x mobo, as many seem to like. I don't plan to o/c the chip to the point where it's liable to explode, so.. However, is it possible to return the oem chip if i do happen to burn it out? (if still w/in 30 days).

Also, what's a good mobo to go with an Athlon 650/700 T-bird? (for my friend)

Thanks again all!

-gummy