O'Donnell In 1999: 'I Dabbled Into Witchcraft' (VIDEO)

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zsdersw

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I don't understand what you mean. Conservatives make up a majority of the American population (65% or something in a recent poll IIRC).

You're gonna have to cite the specific poll if you want me to believe that.

What I mean is that the majority in this country is in the center. If it were graphed it would be a bell curve. The only way either party, specifically and either ideology, in general can achieve a governing majority of any permanence is with the inclusion of moderates.
 

SP33Demon

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And O'Donnell still denies paying her rent with campaign money and says she has a lawyer ready if it goes to court.

"I am positive we have been ethical," she said before walking off. "I personally have not misused campaign funds."

The campaign has hired a lawyer -- an expert in campaign finance -- to answer those charges "if it goes anywhere," O'Donnell said.

On the allegation that she used about $20,000 in funds for non-campaign purposes she said, "No truth to it....no truth to it."

Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington filed complaints with the Delaware U.S. Attorney's Office and the Federal Election Commission against O'Donnell, charging that more than $20,000 of O'Donnell's spending in 2009 and 2010 was illegal because O'Donnell was no longer a candidate.

Sure hope she saved those receipts/paystubs from last year for this case + the IRS's investigations for tax evasion.
 

manimal

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Instead you voted for Obumer right? Castle has voted for Tarp, Stimulus, Obamacare, ect.. Why is he a republican??? And what are his "great ideas"?

It's funny that people are going crazy of O"Donnell about intelligence, but look at who used to hold that seat, Biden may be the biggest idiot in politics.


Castle voted with his conscience on multiple occasions and with his constituency more often than not. His stance on reforming campaign finance would have gotten some traction on both sides of the Aisle.
I may have voted for Obama because I wanted health care, I wanted to get out of the wars and I wanted to reform our positions on torture and individual rights.

I am fiscal conservative and the bush years have disenfranchised many people like me. Remember when the republican party had a place for people like me?

Now moderates are terrified at what the grand ol party used to be.
 

werepossum

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This problem is further exacerbated by the fact that this woman took a seat away from a moderate with great ideas and a track record worthy of a cabinet post....

Mike Castle would have gotten my vote for president over Bush, Mcain, Dole, or any other republican in the last 20 years...

Matter of interpretation, I suppose. Personally I see little difference in voting between Castle and, say, Biden. So if O'Donnell loses I don't personally lose anything, as Coons' voting will differ only minutely from Castle's record. Honestly I'd prefer a Democrat whose is at least honest about what he or she does.

Castle may well get a job from Obama, as there is normally quite a number of defectors this far in and assuming the Pubbies make big gains, this will probably accelerate. Obama can use people like Castle, David Gergen, etc. to look bipartisan if nothing else.
 

Perknose

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Castle voted with his conscience on multiple occasions and with his constituency more often than not. His stance on reforming campaign finance would have gotten some traction on both sides of the Aisle.
I may have voted for Obama because I wanted health care, I wanted to get out of the wars and I wanted to reform our positions on torture and individual rights.

I am fiscal conservative and the bush years have disenfranchised many people like me. Remember when the republican party had a place for people like me?

Now moderates are terrified at what the grand ol party used to be.

Well put all around. :thumbsup:
 

QuantumPion

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Castle voted with his conscience on multiple occasions and with his constituency more often than not. His stance on reforming campaign finance would have gotten some traction on both sides of the Aisle.
I may have voted for Obama because I wanted health care, I wanted to get out of the wars and I wanted to reform our positions on torture and individual rights.

I am fiscal conservative and the bush years have disenfranchised many people like me. Remember when the republican party had a place for people like me?

Now moderates are terrified at what the grand ol party used to be.

I call shens...you are a fiscal conservative that was mad at Bush for his spending so you voted for Obama? And you are afraid where the TEA party (taxed enough already) fiscal-conservative wing is dragging the GOP?
 

jonks

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The funny thing about all this is that when O'Donnell likely gets struck down at the voting booth she'll simply become even more powerful, like Palin and Obi-wan.


You're gonna have to cite the specific poll if you want me to believe that.

He's off by a bit.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/120857/conservatives-single-largest-ideological-group.aspx

Doesn't matter anyway, the republicans are 99% white, and given the country's demographic shift, the pubs are going fade away into obscurity in the next couple decades.
 
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PJABBER

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TL;DR, but without watching the video replay, does this mean that she just locked up the traditionally Democrat leaning Druidic, Wiccan, Dianic and natural pantheist voters?

She is just short of $2 million in Internet donations! Is she passing around the collection basket, or what?

Looks like my question is now answered by the flow of news events.

I guess the witches will now reliably continue to vote straight line Democratic.

O'Donnell lost a great chance to cut into the Democratic Party base. She might have just blown the election here!

Oh well, she has banked $2,137,130.20 in Internet campaign contributions since she was nominated last week. That is roughly double what her opponent, self-proclaimed Marxist (I never knew that, Chris!) Coons has banked, so it will be a competitive race.

FWIW, her campaign WWW site -

http://christine2010.com

is back on line and if you click through you can find her rebuttal to all of the FUD that the Dems have thrown her way. Looks like most of the accusations are non-issues if her documentation stands up.

Not that the Dems should worry, now that they have the witch vote locked up. And it is not even Halloween yet.

Witches Blast O'Donnell

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Ben Crair, The Daily Beast – Mon Sep 20, 11:52 pm ET

NEW YORK – Picnics on top of altars? Wiccans say they don't have them -- and they don't like O'Donnell spreading bunk. Ben Crair reports on the comments that may cost her the pagan vote.

("Witchcraft" video of Bill Maher's "Politically Incorrect" show with Delaware Tea Party sensation Christine O’Donnell describing a date she once had with a witch dominated the airwaves Monday.)

“I mean, there’s a little blood and stuff like that,” she told Bill Maher in a late ’90s clip from Politically Incorrect. “We went to a movie and then had a midnight picnic on a satanic altar.”

The footage delighted Democrats looking to embarrass the GOP Senate nominee, frightened Republicans, and alienated another constituency: witches, who say O’Donnell’s 1999 discussion of the subject is bunk—and bad publicity for the coven.

“We don’t have picnics on top of altars,” said Selena Fox, Wiccan high priestess for the Circle Sanctuary in Wisconsin. “We are not Satanist. And we have good character, not ‘questionable’ character.” (At a non-Satanic picnic in Delaware on Sunday, O’Donnell brushed aside questions about her comments by asking, “How many of you didn’t hang out with questionable folks in high school?”)

“A couple of my local politician friends say she’s losing the Wiccan vote,” said Dominguez. “Well, I said she never had the pagan vote for the most part to begin with.”​

In 2008, 1.2 percent of American adults, nearly 3 million people, declared themselves followers of “New Religious Movements,” the category that includes Wicca and other pagan belief systems. Wicca is a naturalistic religion whose followers generally worship a pantheistic Godhead and practice magic. Its creed, according to Fox, is “harm none, do what you will.” And yet the faith has always been dogged by an association with Satanism, a confusion, Fox said, that goes back to the Middle Ages.

“The old nature religions of Europe were persecuted for hundreds of years,” she said, “and part of a tactic for suppressing the pagan practices of old was to label them Satanic or demonic.”

For some, old habits die hard: Senator Jesse Helms tried to rob Wiccan churches of their tax-exempt status in 1985, while Rep. Bob Barr wanted to outlaw Wiccan services on military bases in 1999. According to Ivo Dominguez Jr., the owner of what he calls a “metaphysical general store” in Dover, Delaware, O’Donnell’s dabbling with witchcraft is really just another window into her Christian beliefs. “Basically, you have to be a Christian to believe in Satanism because you have to believe in the Devil,” he said. “So I think probably it was a bunch of teens that decided to do a pastiche of too many bad movies... It has nothing to do with witchcraft and paganism.”

Not all of Delaware’s politicians are as out of touch with the faith as O’Donnell. “There are probably more pagans in Delaware than Unitarians,” Dominguez said. Each year, the Delmarva Pagan Pride Festival draws several hundred Wiccans and other pagans to Dover from Delaware, Maryland, and Virginia. “In past years, we have had politicians or parties show up at Pagan Pride Day with politicians wearing buttons and handing out stickers.”

“Our current governor came to a meet-and-greet that he knew ahead of time was going to be mostly Wiccan or pagan,” said Dominguez. Questions for Gov. Jack Markell, who was then a candidate in the Democratic primary, were mostly about the environment. “There were no questions about will you appoint an openly pagan blah blah blah,” said Dominguez. “At this moment of history, that’s not where our community is.”

Dominguez said that the surfacing of O’Donnell’s past comments is particularly unfortunate for Wiccans because it comes near “our least favorite media cycle,” the run-up to Halloween. “My biggest concern is that we will be receiving negative depictions on one side from the people that traditionally don’t like us, which are folks that believe the only thing that is a valid spiritual path is a narrowly defined kind of Christianity, and on the other side people that are progressive that we would normally see as our friends but who will be using the witch angle as a way of attacking a conservative candidate.”

No matter how Democrats treat the issue, it seems unlikely that Wiccans will turn out for O’Donnell at the polls. “Her inability to separate anything non-Christian from Satanic is going to be an issue not just with her potential pagan constituents but with any other non-Christians or Christians of a flavor that does not match hers,” said Michael Smith, the Wiccan IT analyst who hosted the meet-and-greet the governor visited.

“A couple of my local politician friends say she’s losing the Wiccan vote,” said Dominguez. “Well, I said she never had the pagan vote for the most part to begin with.”
 

CrackRabbit

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I call shens...you are a fiscal conservative that was mad at Bush for his spending so you voted for Obama? And you are afraid where the TEA party (taxed enough already) fiscal-conservative wing is dragging the GOP?

It's not the fiscal conservatives that scare me, so much.
It's the knuckle dragging social conservatives like O'Donnell and Angle that scare me.
 

QuantumPion

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It's not the fiscal conservatives that scare me, so much.
It's the knuckle dragging social conservatives like O'Donnell and Angle that scare me.

Granted, those types sound like morons. But honestly, how is a hard-core christian running on a platform of libertarian principles more threatening than a hard-core liberal running on a platform of "social justice" and authoritarianism? What's the worse thing that they could do, mandate that public schools teach creationism? Compared to the Democrats - mandate that all schools are owned and run by government public sector unions with blatant incompetency and corruption, lol.
 

CrackRabbit

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Granted, those types sound like morons. But honestly, how is a hard-core christian running on a platform of libertarian principles more threatening than a hard-core liberal running on a platform of "social justice" and authoritarianism? What's the worse thing that they could do, mandate that public schools teach creationism? Compared to the Democrats - mandate that all schools are owned and run by government public sector unions with blatant incompetency and corruption, lol.

The thing is that hard core christians and libertarianism are almost mutually exclusive.
Hard-core christians seem want a very controlling theocracy or authoritarian government in place where they can rule over everyone's lives via some sort of perceived "morality".

As to the rest of your post I have to say "LOL, Wut?".
 

QuantumPion

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The thing is that hard core christians and libertarianism are almost mutually exclusive.
Hard-core christians seem want a very controlling theocracy or authoritarian government in place where they can rule over everyone's lives via some sort of perceived "morality".

As to the rest of your post I have to say "LOL, Wut?".

We're talking about the United States here, not Saudi Arabia.
 

her209

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Granted, those types sound like morons. But honestly, how is a hard-core christian running on a platform of libertarian principles more threatening than a hard-core liberal running on a platform of "social justice" and authoritarianism? What's the worse thing that they could do, mandate that public schools teach creationism? Compared to the Democrats - mandate that all schools are owned and run by government public sector unions with blatant incompetency and corruption, lol.
I don't think any Democratic candidate has run on this platform here in "Commie"-fornia.
 

her209

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Yep, and it would only take a couple of years for those whack jobs to turn this great country in to that.
Just on the subject of schools:
- teach abstinence-only
- insert God into the founding of the country
- mandatory prayer time in the morning
- teaching Creationism/I.D. in Biology
- trying to de-legitimize evolution as "just a theory"
- etc.
 

QuantumPion

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Yep, and it would only take a couple of years for those whack jobs to turn this great country in to that.

Really, based on what? The notion that the hard-core american christians are like the taliban, trying to create a autocratic theocracy is absurd. You are really just regurgitating a liberal meme here. Inserting the word "under god" in the pledge of allegiance is not quite on the same level as religious police that kidnap and murder you if are a woman and talk to a man in public.

What is it you are afraid of the Pat-Robertson-types of accomplishing? The worst thing they have ever manage to do was prohibition, and fat chance of anything like that happening again. We're on the verge of legalizing drugs now.
 

her209

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Really, based on what? The notion that the hard-core american christians are like the taliban, trying to create a autocratic theocracy is absurd. You are really just regurgitating a liberal meme here. Inserting the word "under god" in the pledge of allegiance is not quite on the same level as religious police that kidnap and murder you if are a woman and talk to a man in public.
How about blowing up abortion clinics and shooting abortion doctors in church?
 

her209

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http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20017231-503544.html

Christine O'Donnell: I'm Done with National Media

Delaware Republican Senate candidate Christine O'Donnell on Tuesday night announced on Fox News that she would no longer do interviews with national media outlets.

"It's off the table because that's not going to help me get votes," O'Donnell told Fox News' Sean Hannity. "I'm not going to do any more national media because this is my focus: Delaware's my focus, and the local media's my focus, and it's frustrating because I've let the local media know they're my priority but our phones are ringing off the hook that they can't get to me. It's actually become an interference with the campaign."

After pulling off a surprise victory in the Republican primary, the Tea Party-backed candidate heads into the general election trailing Democratic candidate Chris Coons in the polls. She has faced scrutiny from her opponents and the media over both odd statements she made in the past as well as her questionable personal finances. Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, another Tea Party favorite who endorsed O'Donnell in the primary, warned the Delaware conservative that the national media was "seeking your destruction."

"Governor Palin is right," O'Donnell said. "It's interfering with my ability to campaign."

O'Donnell appeared at the Values Voter Summit in Washington, D.C. last week but canceled appearances scheduled for last Sunday on CBS News' "Face the Nation" and "Fox News Sunday."

O'Donnell called the focus on her past, strange remarks, such as saying she "dabbled into witchcraft," a diversion from the real issues.

"My focus is on what's important to the people of Delaware," O'Donnell said. She went on to say, however, that the "stark contrast" between herself and her Democratic opponent Chris Coons was demonstrated by the fact that Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid called Coons his "pet."

"You kind of have to wonder what sort of strange conversations lead to Harry Reid calling him his pet," she said.

While the media has reported on O'Donnell's past remarks, her opponents have more strictly focused on her financial issues. The Democratic Party's first ad against her says she "hired employees she didn't pay" and "didn't pay her taxes."

O'Donnell acknowledged on Fox that she fell behind on her mortgage payments and ultimately sold her house. The IRS imposed a $11,00 tax lien on the house, which O'Donnell said was the result of a "computer error." The candidate explained that she fell behind on her mortgage payments because she was working pro bono for a client on life support.

The Democrats' attacks against O'Donnell mirror those that the Republican Party launched against her during the primary. While the national GOP has fallen behind O'Donnell, her primary opponent, Rep. Mike Castle, has not endorsed her.

O'Donnell said they spoke on Friday.

"It was a very friendly conversation. And I'm hoping to get his endorsement," she said. "We need to unite the party in order to move forward."
 

dainthomas

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How about blowing up abortion clinics and shooting abortion doctors in church?

Or making women look at ultrasounds of their fetus before they get abortions. What scientific rationale exists for that? Oh that's right, it's only about what the magic man in the sky tells them to do.
 

CrackRabbit

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Really, based on what? The notion that the hard-core american christians are like the taliban, trying to create a autocratic theocracy is absurd. You are really just regurgitating a liberal meme here. Inserting the word "under god" in the pledge of allegiance is not quite on the same level as religious police that kidnap and murder you if are a woman and talk to a man in public.

What is it you are afraid of the Pat-Robertson-types of accomplishing? The worst thing they have ever manage to do was prohibition, and fat chance of anything like that happening again. We're on the verge of legalizing drugs now.

No it is not absurd. If given the chance those people WILL attempt it.
You don't think that if we gave the Pat Robertson types power they wouldn't use it to mold the US in their corrupt image?
Why do you think that Sharon Angle and Christine O'Donnell scrubbed their websites after winning their primaries?
One reason, they don't want average people to know the batshait insane theocracy platform they actually believe in.
 
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her209

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Just another example of Tea-baggers being afraid of showing the general public just how wacky they are. They will only appear on "news" outlets favorable to them. They are afraid to answer tough questions, yet claim they are the person for the tough job of changing\shaping the policies of our country. o_O
I predict she will be taking a cue out of the Sarah Palin playbook and creating a Facebook/Twitter account so that she can "get her message out" without the ability to be questioned whether its truth or opinion, e.g., "death panels", or as in Sarah Palin's "words", "the lamestream media won't be able to distort it."
 
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woolfe9999

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As she speaks on a national media program! :rolleyes:

Just another example of Tea-baggers being afraid of showing the general public just how wacky they are. They will only appear on "news" outlets favorable to them. They are afraid to answer tough questions, yet claim they are the person for the tough job of changing\shaping the policies of our country. o_O

To people like O'Donnell and Palin, Foxnews isn't "national media." It's free advertising.

- wolf