O'Donnel Palin 2012

Infohawk

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As much as I'd like to see the far-left get pwned in the next couple elections, I'd stop at voting for goofballs on the federal level for foreign policy reasons. I wouldn't trust moonbats not to get us into a war. But if the Republicans can put someone old-school conservative up there I'd go for it. We need less trailer trash and more old-school curmudgeonly rich old guys.
 

Lemon law

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Don't count your chickens before they are hatched, Palin may have a decent track record of getting her picks through the GOP primary. But to a great extent that is only a measure of how disgusted the GOP electorate with the main stream GOP type candidates.

But the acid test will be how Palin picks fare in the general election when the Palin picks have to win the collective majority of dems, repubs, and independents. And if the collective set of Palin picks tend to lose because they are too far right and zany, look for a big fall in Palin cred and look for the GOP mainstream types to muzzle Sara Palin.

If the collective set of Sara Palin picks do well in the upcoming general election, then
look for Palin cred to go up, but the jury may be out on how they will fare as elected representatives. When voting records and constituent services replace slogans as the gold standard currency. At the same time the GOP mainstream leadership will try to cat herd the Palin picks and the Palin picks may not be cat herd material. But sure as God made little Green apples, lobbyists will try to buy everyone elected.

It will be some interesting to see, but my prediction is no prediction right now.
 

CallMeJoe

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Don't count your chickens before they are hatched, Palin may have a decent track record of getting her picks through the GOP primary. But to a great extent that is only a measure of how disgusted the GOP electorate with the main stream GOP type candidates.
But the acid test will be how Palin picks fare in the general election when the Palin picks have to win the collective majority of dems, repubs, and independents. And if the collective set of Palin picks tend to lose because they are too far right and zany, look for a big fall in Palin cred and look for the GOP mainstream types to muzzle Sara Palin.
If the collective set of Sara Palin picks do well in the upcoming general election, then
look for Palin cred to go up, but the jury may be out on how they will fare as elected representatives. When voting records and constituent services replace slogans as the gold standard currency. At the same time the GOP mainstream leadership will try to cat herd the Palin picks and the Palin picks may not be cat herd material. But sure as God made little Green apples, lobbyists will try to buy everyone elected.
It will be some interesting to see, but my prediction is no prediction right now.
One might also note that, so far, Governor Palin has been successful in what amounts to wholesale politics; when she orates to sympathetic crowds and appears before cooperative interviewers she fares well. I question how well she will present in the retail markets of Iowa and New Hampshire, facing challenging questions before small groups of potentially less admiring voters.
Then one must wonder about her ability to survive the challenges awaiting in the Republican candidates' debates, not to mention the Snake Pit of the South Carolina primary...
 

her209

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One might also note that, so far, Governor Palin has been successful in what amounts to wholesale politics; when she orates to sympathetic crowds and appears before cooperative interviewers she fares well. I question how well she will present in the retail markets of Iowa and New Hampshire, facing challenging questions before small groups of potentially less admiring voters.
Then one must wonder about her ability to survive the challenges awaiting in the Republican candidates' debates, not to mention the Snake Pit of the South Carolina primary...
She's scared to go on the "news" shows and sticks to Fox News and Facebook/Twitter.
 

Rainsford

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One might also note that, so far, Governor Palin has been successful in what amounts to wholesale politics; when she orates to sympathetic crowds and appears before cooperative interviewers she fares well. I question how well she will present in the retail markets of Iowa and New Hampshire, facing challenging questions before small groups of potentially less admiring voters.
Then one must wonder about her ability to survive the challenges awaiting in the Republican candidates' debates, not to mention the Snake Pit of the South Carolina primary...

It's also worth noting that candidates who are less appealing to the average voter will almost always do better in a primary (at least a closed primary) because those candidates are by definition more in touch with their "base"...which is who votes in a primary.

In other words, candidates who can win the general election should almost always be beatable in the primary, because the primary is by its very nature an election among a much more limited audience. A Republican who has to appeal to everyone SHOULD have a harder time in the primary than a Republican who only has to appeal to other Republicans.

Now if the Tea Party/Palin people win in the general, that would be actually impressive...but it very much doesn't seem like that's going to happen.
 

soundforbjt

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It's also worth noting that candidates who are less appealing to the average voter will almost always do better in a primary (at least a closed primary) because those candidates are by definition more in touch with their "base"...which is who votes in a primary.

In other words, candidates who can win the general election should almost always be beatable in the primary, because the primary is by its very nature an election among a much more limited audience. A Republican who has to appeal to everyone SHOULD have a harder time in the primary than a Republican who only has to appeal to other Republicans.

Now if the Tea Party/Palin people win in the general, that would be actually impressive...but it very much doesn't seem like that's going to happen.

I hope you are right, but I have zero faith in the average American voter to think rationally.
 

Rainsford

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I hope you are right, but I have zero faith in the average American voter to think rationally.

The thing is, I really don't think that, outside of their carefully cultivated target audience, the Tea Party actually has much appeal, rational or otherwise. For all the talk of being a bipartisan movement, the Tea Party draw support from, and appeals to, Republicans. And not just Republicans, Sarah Palin Republicans, mostly. And while there is a LOT of strong support among that audience, that doesn't really help in an election. Particularly not when you need to appeal to a wider audience.

I could be wrong, but up until recently, the Tea Party has ONLY been exposed to who they want to be exposed to...gathering support from the people mostly likely to support them. An election is a whole different thing, where your ideas have to resonate with the general populace.
 

Lemon law

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Since the title of this thread is a "O'Donnel Palin 2012" ticket in 2012, we can say one and only one thing. Namely that if O'Donnel fails to win her election in 2010, the best we can say is a ? and Palin ticket in 2012.

If O'Donnel fails to win the general election in 2010, she is most likely going to be politically dead. The stakes are less high for Sara Palin, she is running for nothing now, and is hence a sure winner.
 

CallMeJoe

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Since the title of this thread is a "O'Donnel Palin 2012" ticket in 2012, we can say one and only one thing. Namely that if O'Donnel fails to win her election in 2010, the best we can say is a ? and Palin ticket in 2012.
If O'Donnel fails to win the general election in 2010, she is most likely going to be politically dead. The stakes are less high for Sara Palin, she is running for nothing now, and is hence a sure winner.
You forget Tea Party dogma; if candidate O'Donnell fails to win the general election it will be due solely to her victimization by the "Lamestream Media" ("Government-Controlled Media" to the Dittoheads) and ACORN...
 

Schadenfroh

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On one hand, I would love to see certain heads explode here if such a ticket were to make it, on the other hand, I like this country too much to see it destroyed by them...

But, after the current and previous administrations, it might be too late to save it, so I might as well watch some heads explode!
 

iGas

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I had high hope for Obama, however he walked into a ship that was damaged and over burden with debt from the Bush legacy.

I'm not US citizen therefore my opinion doesn't mean much, but realistically can the republican turn around America in 2012, or will they drag down the economy and start another war that America can't afford?

What choice does America have? Vote for a faux savior, or vote for the devil with an extremely dark track record republican?
 

Harvey

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I came in to this thread to say The only way I would vote for this ticket would be if they were up against muslims.

I came in to this thread to say I've met plenty of sane, intelligent Muslims who would get my vote over either of those brainless jillasses.
 
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JS80

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I had high hope for Obama, however he walked into a ship that was damaged and over burden with debt from the Bush legacy.

I'm not US citizen therefore my opinion doesn't mean much, but realistically can the republican turn around America in 2012, or will they drag down the economy and start another war that America can't afford?

What choice does America have? Vote for a faux savior, or vote for the devil with an extremely dark track record republican?

Lol booooosh