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Odds of Biden stepping down


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cytg111

Lifer
Mar 17, 2008
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I won’t change my 0% vote for the sake of posterity.

But seems fairly clear that Harris will be at the top of the ticket.
The intent of the poll is that you should .. so we can track sentiment in realtime, that is why I do the historical snapshots.

I know it's standard MO for people to stick to their guns but I think smart peeps evaluate the conditions as they unfold.

The hard part about this shit is that just talking about it fuels the fire, though, if we dont talk about it, hush it, then are we any different from... you know.
 
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Bitek

Lifer
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I think he has long held a genuine policy preference for Israel that you may not share. As far as his unwillingness to cut off weapons I'm not sure - I get the case for doing it but I also suspect it would cause a major split within the Democrats that may not be smart to do in the current climate.

I agree this was a mistake. I think their plan of trying to get Russia to leave Ukraine without some Russian military collapse was wrong, or at least something they should have realized was not going to happen and course corrected on after the summer of 2022 when it was clear initial defeat wasn't causing Russia to reconsider.

So you don't like his foreign policy, which is fine as there's definitely things to criticize about it but overall he's been extremely effective IMO.

Which is why he should have not run again. Go out on top, lots of successes to point to as legacy.

Kinda like Manning retiring after winning the Superbowl vs Brady hanging on too long...

There is no further legislative agenda for Biden. It will just be stalemate with Congress, and grind out foreign policy.

Meanwhile he's continuing to decline and lucky to not be drooling by the time 2029 inauguration comes around.
 

nickqt

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Jan 15, 2015
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I don't think Biden is dropping out.

That said, I'm going to quote myself from 2 years ago.

As long as Biden is putting together mostly-complete sentences in 2024, I don't see him walking away from a second term.

Biden has shown that he is still there mentally, nevermind the projection from right-wing authoritarians. And even if Biden has old-age brain because he's fucking old, the fact that he is appointing competent people for positions is enough to show that he and his Chief-of-Staff are up to the job.

If I got to pick someone else to be the 2024 nominee, it'd have to be someone from outside politics who would have a shot in hell of grabbing younger voters who might vote for Trump, DeSantis, Cotton, Hawley, etc...like Jon Stewart, although he has mentioned that he isn't interested.
 

Bitek

Lifer
Aug 2, 2001
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I won’t change my 0% vote for the sake of posterity.

But seems fairly clear that Harris will be at the top of the ticket.

It can only be her.

And when she loses, it clears her out of the 2028 race.... For Gavin Newsome... Ugh f me.


Democrats only saving grace is that R party is even more dysfunctional.
 

Bitek

Lifer
Aug 2, 2001
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That's the only reason to vote for Biden? Wow, that's a pretty sad indictment on your morals and values.

Also it's not too late now. It's time for Biden to step aside, let Harris take over and pick a great VP. She has four months to do her thing with lower negatives than Biden. And we can still save this country for now. It has to be Harris, it's the only choice that makes sense to people that would avoid a big mess of how to pick a candidate otherwise, and potentially kill our shots altogether.

Right, because every election is good vs evil, Jesus vs Satan, black vs white, democracy vs totalitarianism... Just like every previous election and superhero movie

Remember when Romney was the end of days lol?

I don't owe my vote to Biden just bc I don't like Trump.

Give me something to vote FOR, else piss off and think harder next time.
 

Moonbeam

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Nov 24, 1999
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I reject the idea that Republicans lack agency.
Can we clarify what you mean by agency. If by agency you mean observation that effects are generated by causes which themselves may be affects than I agree. We are all Hotel California residents


[Verse 5]


Mirrors on the ceiling
The pink champagne on ice, and she said
"We are all just prisoners here
Of our own device"

And in the master's chambers
They gathered for the feast

They stab it with their steely knives
But they just can't kill the beast


[Verse 6]
Last thing I remember, I was
Running for the door

I had to find the passage back
To the place I was before

"Relax," said the night man
"We are programmed to receive

You can check out any time you like
But you can never leave"


But there is no real door back to where you were before because it is your own devices, your own guilt that causes the hotel to exist. And you will only see it when you realize you can never leave.

So by agency I mean that which is when people awake from robotic sleep, not the reactions of narcoleptics driving bumper cars. Awareness is only possible when some shock yanks us out of an unconscious need to stay asleep. A powerful intellect can end thought by seeing it is the creation of ego fear.

Have you ever wondered about the number 7? Do you know the story of the horse the cart the driver and the passenger? A quick search brought up this:

================

The carriage represents the physical body. The horse represents emotion. It is what pulls the carriage forward. The driver represents the mind.

The carriage and the horse are connected by a shaft. The driver is connected to the horse by the reins. In other words, the body (carriage) and emotions (horse) are connected internally and these connections need to be understood. The same is true for the connection between the driver (mind) and the horse (emotions).

In addition to these parts, Gurdjieff also emphasizes that the carriage is continuously occupied by any number of personalities (which he also refers to as small ‘i’s or ‘egos’). As a result, man’s ordinary state of being is chaotic and unconscious. From one moment to the next, a different personality attempts to control the driver, horse and carriage and make them do their bidding. In addition, the driver does not speak the language of the horse and does not usually understand the condition and tendencies of the carriage. As a result, we are controlled from below - from a state of general unconsciousness in which we are doomed to react to occurrences throughout the course of life.

However, through inner work - whether the Gurdjieff Fourth way work or some other kind of work on the carriage, horse or driver; a man has the possibility of gaining control over the parts that make up his being. A mysterious quality which represents authentic higher consciousness can be instilled through hard work on oneself through one of the four paths as outlined by Gurdjieff.

What do we see here? A door can be opened via the body, the heart, and the mind, the body and heart, the body and mind, and the heart and the mind, and the body the heart and the mind, seven paths or methodologies to realization.

The factor that gets lost in my opinion is that the difficulty in easy realization of the truth is unconscious motivation. We were deprived of our birthrights because we were told and believe we are unworthy by being blamed for agency we did not have. What we had was wide open love and innocent acceptance for which we were crucified. All real truth is felt as accusation which is why we were told we have been forgiven. It's the last thing we want to hear and the first thing we pervert.
 

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
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Right, because every election is good vs evil, Jesus vs Satan, black vs white, democracy vs totalitarianism... Just like every previous election and superhero movie

Remember when Romney was the end of days lol?

I don't owe my vote to Biden just bc I don't like Trump.

Give me something to vote FOR, else piss off and think harder next time.
You don't owe anyone your vote but it's a binary choice and one of the two will win. It's only logical to look at the outcome you prefer and vote for that one.
 

nickqt

Diamond Member
Jan 15, 2015
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Right, because every election is good vs evil, Jesus vs Satan, black vs white, democracy vs totalitarianism... Just like every previous election and superhero movie

Remember when Romney was the end of days lol?

I don't owe my vote to Biden just bc I don't like Trump.

Give me something to vote FOR, else piss off and think harder next time.
So in your reality July 3rd 2024 is basically the same as July 3rd 2012 and if you aren't getting exactly what YOU want, then you're just going to binge watch storage wars and get into scrap booking instead of preventing the further entrenchment of fascism.

Let me guess. You're a straight white male or can pass as one?

Privilege is a hell of a mindset. You should vote Trump just to heighten the contradictions or whatever.
 

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
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So in your reality July 3rd 2024 is basically the same as July 3rd 2012 and if you aren't getting exactly what YOU want, then you're just going to binge watch storage wars and get into scrap booking instead of preventing the further entrenchment of fascism.

Let me guess. You're a straight white male or can pass as one?

Privilege is a hell of a mindset. You should vote Trump just to heighten the contradictions or whatever.
Also people are probably right when they say each election is the most important of their lives. The level of polarization we have now really does lead to huge shifts when power changes between the parties.

More importantly for this one, one of the two candidates tried to overthrow the government.
 

manly

Lifer
Jan 25, 2000
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I don't think Biden is dropping out.

That said, I'm going to quote myself from 2 years ago.
I don't remember which pundit said it after the debate, but he said the question isn't whether Joe Biden can handle the job of POTUS for 4 more years.* The executive branch is a huge operation and you just have to be a competent CEO, and make some challenging decisions.** The question is whether Biden can be a candidate for the next 4 months, and in the eyes of the voters, that is very much in question.

This isn't just cable news punditry or being a prisoner of the (post-debate) moment. Personally I'll roll with Joe until he decides otherwise but all indications are that he's basically fighting against a dam breaking (politically).

Also, based on what we currently know, 2 years ago was an eternity. The facts on the ground have clearly changed.

* And if he truly can't handle it, he can step down during his term. There's even the 25A if it comes to that.
** Obviously you do need tons of stamina for very long days.


It can only be her.

And when she loses, it clears her out of the 2028 race.... For Gavin Newsome... Ugh f me.


Democrats only saving grace is that R party is even more dysfunctional.
Newsom is more or less the white male version of Kamala Harris. If Harris can't defeat DJT, then Newsom will also struggle to achieve a broad enough coalition to win a Democratic primary, much less the critical swing states in a general.

Look at Newsom's approval numbers in California right now; they aren't impressive so how would he be more appealing nationally when middle Americans have been conditioned to hate West coast liberals?
 

Paratus

Lifer
Jun 4, 2004
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Right, because every election is good vs evil, Jesus vs Satan, black vs white, democracy vs totalitarianism... Just like every previous election and superhero movie

Remember when Romney was the end of days lol?

I don't owe my vote to Biden just bc I don't like Trump.

Give me something to vote FOR, else piss off and think harder next time.
Oh you sweet summer child. Bless your heart.
 
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nickqt

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Also people are probably right when they say each election is the most important of their lives. The level of polarization we have now really does lead to huge shifts when power changes between the parties.

More importantly for this one, one of the two candidates tried to overthrow the government.
Every election affects each subsequent election. It's kinda sorta the whole fucking point. Had Trump lost bigly in 2016 perhaps we wouldn't be here, but we are. Ignoring objective observable reality to pretend like everything is the same or remotely similar to 12 years ago is fucking laughable and either trolling or severe delusion.
 

Bitek

Lifer
Aug 2, 2001
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So in your reality July 3rd 2024 is basically the same as July 3rd 2012 and if you aren't getting exactly what YOU want, then you're just going to binge watch storage wars and get into scrap booking instead of preventing the further entrenchment of fascism.

Let me guess. You're a straight white male or can pass as one?

Privilege is a hell of a mindset. You should vote Trump just to heighten the contradictions or whatever.

Oh no... The country will end... We really really really mean it this time. Our constitution is a delicate little flower and every Republican has a heart of pure evil...

Yet this is my problem and not Democrats and Biden's arrogance and hubris? Grow up

We survived Reagan, we survived Bush x2, we survived Trump x1.

Oh no, if Trump wins because Ds are stupid what will ever come of my abortions, student debt bailouts and other socialist giveaways?
 

nakedfrog

No Lifer
Apr 3, 2001
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Right, because every election is good vs evil, Jesus vs Satan, black vs white, democracy vs totalitarianism... Just like every previous election and superhero movie

Remember when Romney was the end of days lol?

I don't owe my vote to Biden just bc I don't like Trump.

Give me something to vote FOR, else piss off and think harder next time.
What legislative actions will Biden take that you approve/disapprove of, and what legislative actions will Trump take that you approve/disapprove of? Based on their prior terms, what did you approve/disapprove of that Biden did, and what did you approve/disapprove of that Trump did? It's not like these are unknown qualities, we can probably generally expect more of the same from each.
 

manly

Lifer
Jan 25, 2000
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Every election affects each subsequent election. It's kinda sorta the whole fucking point. Had Trump lost bigly in 2016 perhaps we wouldn't be here, but we are. Ignoring objective observable reality to pretend like everything is the same or remotely similar to 12 years ago is fucking laughable and either trolling or severe delusion.
or revealing one's moral compass.
 
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nickqt

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Oh no... The country will end... We really really really mean it this time. Our constitution is a delicate little flower and every Republican has a heart of pure evil...

Yet this is my problem and not Democrats and Biden's arrogance and hubris? Grow up

We survived Reagan, we survived Bush x2, we survived Trump x1.

Oh no, if Trump wins because Ds are stupid what will ever come of my abortions, student debt bailouts and other socialist giveaways?
Oh, you're a Republican pretending to have integrity. Now I get it.

Carry on, your political opinion is irrelevant.
 

Jaskalas

Lifer
Jun 23, 2004
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If anything, blame Obama for not coedfying it into law back when he had his initial supermajority.
Even at the dawn of social media, normalcy was still considered the golden standard.
All out use of political force has been a slow escalation since 2009.

It is extremely disingenuous for you to claim the barely there super majority was prepared to do anything. Kennedy was terminally ill from the onset. Obama was newly arrived and had never governed before. The idea of just ramming a plethora of policy through ASAP would have seemed absurd to anyone back then.
 
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Bitek

Lifer
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What legislative actions will Biden take that you approve/disapprove of, and what legislative actions will Trump take that you approve/disapprove of? Based on their prior terms, what did you approve/disapprove of that Biden did, and what did you approve/disapprove of that Trump did? It's not like these are unknown qualities, we can probably generally expect more of the same from each.

I voted for Biden for his centrist approach and industrial policy. He's mostly delivered on that ... But nothing new is coming. (Again, why he should have left on top)

Im more aligned with him on foreign policy by far than Trump, but he's still too timid. I would have preferred Haley or Feterman or Romney in this regard. Stronger on helping Israel and Ukraine, continue strengthening NATO.

Biden has unfortunately getting pulled left by the progressives. Don't approve.
Don't like the woke left or the woke right
 

Moonbeam

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It can only be her.

And when she loses, it clears her out of the 2028 race.... For Gavin Newsome... Ugh f me.


Democrats only saving grace is that R party is even more dysfunctional.
A donkey should win against Trump and that's how it may turn out. Also as a true conservative voter I'm voting for the donkey I know and don't want some other donkey running in his place.

PS, regarding Harris. Joe could have picked Sanders but two known old greats on one ticket was judged to be risky. What goes around comes around I guess. Harris was another Biden massive error in my opinion.
 

nakedfrog

No Lifer
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I voted for Biden for his centrist approach and industrial policy. He's mostly delivered on that ... But nothing new is coming. (Again, why he should have left on top)

Im more aligned with him on foreign policy by far than Trump, but he's still too timid. I would have preferred Haley or Feterman or Romney in this regard. Stronger on helping Israel and Ukraine, continue strengthening NATO.

Biden has unfortunately getting pulled left by the progressives. Don't approve.
Don't like the woke left or the woke right
So other than helping Israel even MORE with their problem, what else does Trump have to offer you? Will Trump strengthen NATO or weaken it?