Odd results while benchmarking OC'd specs

Avalon

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I had gotten my computer back up recently, and was tweaking/overclocking it a bit here and there, to see what I could squeeze out of my system. Out of simplicity, I used 3dmark2001SE to compare my scores, and I found an odd discrepency. Look at the following scores:

DDR433 w/360FSB - 15733 *both of these scores with an ~2.16ghz clock speed*
DDR346 w/346FSB - 15988

Maybe this might make sense to you, but to me it seemed weird. A higher memory and FSB speed, albeit asynchronously, was losing in score by a good 250 points, which is a decent ammout of points considering a small system tweak, since your video card composes most of your points in 3dmark. So, to quench my curiosity, I started running benches under all sorts of FSB, CPU, and memory settings. My main point of interest was roughly in the FSB range of 333-400. Here were my second series of scores:

DDR400 w/333FSB - 15300 *2.08ghz clock speed*
DDR333 w/400FSB - 15357 *2.1ghz clock speed*
DDR333 w/333FSB - 15646 *2.08ghz clock speed*

I would have thought that, despite the fact that the top two scores were run asynchronously, t he extra memory speed or FSB speed, respectively, would have given higher scores than a completely lower 333mhz memory and FSB. Now we're talking a 300 point difference. This made me think...hmm, I know that some people have slower CPUs but good memory, and run asynchronously with their memory at a higher rating, but this test shows that that will hurt gaming performance, not help it. Yet, I knew 3dmark wasn't an exactly reliable tool to use, so I went to benching a real game, Farcry. I tried to keep the time and ammount of frames spent recording as close as possible, and the point in the game I used for benching was the same for every test to keep the results more valid.

2004-05-08 16:43:36 - FarCry DDR333 FSB333 2.08ghz
Frames: 2077 - Time: 30703ms - Avg: 67.648 - Min: 30 - Max: 80

2004-05-08 16:51:06 - FarCry DDR400 FSB333 2.08ghz
Frames: 2050 - Time: 29297ms - Avg: 69.973 - Min: 58 - Max: 82

2004-05-08 16:58:15 - FarCry DDR333 FSB400 2.1ghz
Frames: 1966 - Time: 30046ms - Avg: 65.433 - Min: 24 - Max: 80

2004-05-08 17:03:40 - FarCry DDR400 FSB400 2.1ghz
Frames: 2215 - Time: 30937ms - Avg: 71.597 - Min: 38 - Max: 82

This showed the opposite trend as 3dmark. Running higher memory speeds helped performance marginally, which is what one would assume. Took another bench in the middle of tons of action just for fun, and to show a more "true" FPS value you'd expect to get when playing the game. My previous benches were a slightly more relaxing run through the trees and fall off a cliff type thing :p

2004-05-08 17:13:33 - FarCry DDR433 FSB433 2.16ghz
Frames: 3883 - Time: 67891ms - Avg: 57.194 - Min: 38 - Max: 94

So...hmm...not sure what to conclude. 3dmark and Farcry benches say the exact opposite. Should I go for more testing, or let this lie? Thoughts, comments?
 

Soulkeeper

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yeah that is very odd
hopefull powernow! isn't kicking in and downclocking the cpu after a few seconds of idle or partial use
check the bios
what vcore are you using ??
vdimm ?
 

Avalon

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Powernow should not be working on a desktop mobo
My vcore is 1.55v and my vdimm is 1.9v
 

Soulkeeper

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that is a pretty low vcore
bump it up to 1.65 or so and then see if that works
your vdimm should be find at 2.8-3v but i wouldn't go higher unless yur shooting for over 230mhz

what heatsink/temps are you using ?
and if all else fails does your motherboard have vdd adjustments in the bios ??
even tho it didn't work for me in any cases, you might also wanna increase the vagp a little

do you have the latest bios ?
 

Avalon

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1.55v vcore runs prime95 stable for 24 hours at ~2.25ghz and below. I have a fairly happy mobile barton ;)
my heatsink is the volcano 7+
CPU temps are 40C idle, 45C max load
I can change my VDD voltage, but do I really need to play with that?
 

Connoisseur

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I dunno about others, but I have stability issues when I run memory asynchronously with FSB. I think it's just by motherboard design.
 

Soulkeeper

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yeah but it still don't look right that your benchmarks are getting slower as the system speed is getting faster
this leads me to believe the system wasn't fully stable or something

but nice oc
 

Avalon

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So should I set my vdd voltage up a bit?
I've never experimented with OCing the chipset
any recommendations on what I should bump it up to?
1.6v is the default
I really want to figure this out, because this is all rather strange
I may try another AMD computer I've got laying around and see if the same thing happens
that would be interesting...
 

Jeff7181

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I would have thought that, despite the fact that the top two scores were run asynchronously, t he extra memory speed or FSB speed, respectively, would have given higher scores than a completely lower 333mhz memory and FSB.

You thought wrong. :) It's no surprise. The performance of Athlon XP systems tank when you run the RAM and FSB async. The ONLY reason to run async is if your RAM isn't capable of coming within 15-20 Mhz of your maximum stable FSB speed. Then crank the FSB up as high as possible, select a multiplier to keep the core speed at a stable level, and set the RAM at whatever divider is necessary to keep it stable. Then reduce the timings as much as possible, but keep tRAS at 11 (tRAS is the one right? I can't keep the names straight... the biggest number should be 11, lol)
 

Avalon

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So it's to be expected that a system with DDR333 with a FSB of 333 will outperform a system with DDR400 memory with a FSB of 333 on the CPU? If I'm wrong, then FarCry is giving a whole completely different story to what you just said, according to my test. I knew that running asynch with an XP chip, something like 400FSB with DDR333 memory compared to DDR400 memory, would bomb out your system. However, I did not expect that, say for example, you'd get lower performance running DDR433 memory in that 400FSB system, despite the asynch.
 

Soulkeeper

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400/333 should be faster than 333/333 especially if you are using dual channel mode
if not then something must be wrong

unless we are comparing a tradeoff in latencies
2-3-2-8 or better is what i prefer (2-2-2-6 is best imo)

good luck
 

Soulkeeper

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Originally posted by: Avalon
So should I set my vdd voltage up a bit?
I've never experimented with OCing the chipset
any recommendations on what I should bump it up to?
1.6v is the default
I really want to figure this out, because this is all rather strange
I may try another AMD computer I've got laying around and see if the same thing happens
that would be interesting...


unless you add better cooling i wouldn't go over 1.7v
but if you put some artic silver and mayeb some kinda passive heatsink on the southbridge you might be able to use 1.8v or more

usually people only need to mess with vdd for those fsb speeds over 230 or so