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OCZ PC3700 GOLD ok to get?

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computer

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Guys, haven't yet decided on a 865/875 mobo, I'd like to get the memory now anyway. I'm about to get the OCZ GOLD PC3700. Does anyone know why not, like any reason to stay away from this memory? From what I've read, it is the fastest tested at almost every site that has tested memory. The mobo will be either: IS7-G, IC7-G, P4C800-E Deluxe, P4P800 Deluxe, 8KNXP, or a 865PE Neo2 FIS2R. (I am aware of OCZ's "past" and the laser resurfacing of Samsung chips and relabeling of them).

Thanks for any input.

(Edited to say I already have the CPU, it's a 2.4C)
 
if you intend to get a 2.8GHz or higher speed cpu the go for it.
for a slower speed cpu I'd go for the ocz pc4000 version as it should keep up with your fsb at 1:1 memory!
 
Thanks, I've already gotten the CPU, a 2.4C. Why would a slower CPU speed need faster memory? Divider or CPU FSB specs??
 
Originally posted by: computer
Thanks, I've already gotten the CPU, a 2.4C. Why would a slower CPU speed need faster memory? Divider or CPU FSB specs??
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It needs the faster memory for a better overclock at a 1:1 memory divider, since the 2.8 doesnt do as well on average as the 2.4 and 2.6 there is not a need for the higher memory.

That doesnt mean it wont help the 2.8 its just overclocking on the 2.8 hasent gone as well as the lower CPU's so why spend the money.

Even running a 2.4 at 5:4 if you want the BIG FSB the faster memory gives you more headroom.

I personally think the 3700 or 4000 would be a good buy 3700 is getting harder to find from OCZ and I think the 4000 is about the same price, so considering those factors the 4000 might be the way to go.

Read this review about memory for 865 875 mobo's Link
 
i am also interested in getting the OCZ 3700 GOLD. I will be using the 2.4c, have not chose mobo either.I am wondering what would be best 2x256 or 2x512?
 
Originally posted by: SuPrEIVIE
i am also interested in getting the OCZ 3700 GOLD. I will be using the 2.4c, have not chose mobo either.I am wondering what would be best 2x256 or 2x512?
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Read the link I posted it talks about everything for memory 1 sided 2 sided 1 dimm 2 dimms etc etc great read for helping choose memory.
 
Originally posted by: WaTaGuMp
Originally posted by: SuPrEIVIE
i am also interested in getting the OCZ 3700 GOLD. I will be using the 2.4c, have not chose mobo either.I am wondering what would be best 2x256 or 2x512?
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Read the link I posted it talks about everything for memory 1 sided 2 sided 1 dimm 2 dimms etc etc great read for helping choose memory.
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i notice in the review ocz 3700 gold was used in 2x256=512,would 2x512=1G be better?
 
Since you have a 2.4C, you will likely need to run a 5:4 ratio to not limit your FSB and CPU speed. Most people run a 2.4C well above the 250 260 FSB range. Say you run 170 FSB. 1:1 would be DDR540 which is a stretch. The slow timings required to do that will hurt performance if you could even do it. If you run 5:4, you will be running DDR432. Get some memory that will run around that speed and still have decent timings. Corsair PC3500 may be a better bet.
 
I was considering the PC3700 Gold because it has the fastest timing's I've seen; it's the only CAS2 PC3700 I've found. The Gold PC4000 is CAS3. If it was CAS2.5 I may consider it, but the point is moot if I can o'clock more with the PC4000, but at that point the CPU's OC ability may come more into play.

Bacillus are you using something you think is better than the OCZ Gold PC3700...what is it?

Oldfart (???) why do say the Corsair PC3500 is a better bet than the OCZ Gold PC3700? Please elaborate. 🙂 I believe it's only CAS3 and it certainly can't run faster than the PC3700 OCZ.....can it?

SuPrEIVIE, good question. I did some research on this and the FIRST site I saw said single-sided was better. I happened upon another site that said DS was better then I researched it some more and found out that DS is indeed faster. You can have more "page files"(?) open with DS modules. Note that just because a module has chips on both its sides does not necessarily make it DS memory! So, you can't go by what you see, only the electrical layout of a DS module determines if it's TRUE DS modules, and finding that out is near impossible. Also, Anandtech did a test of SS and DS memory and said that 4 DS modules are the best to use. There was a good bit more bandwidth using 4 DS sticks (also more using 4 SS sticks), so you want to go with 4x256 of true DS modules if you can find them. I'm getting 2x256 now (due to the price) then will later get another 2. Now this brings up another problem and that is not all mobo's can use all 4 slots at the same time! Naturally, the mobo's websites usually don't even tell you if you can populate all banks at the same time! One site, I don't recall if it was Asus or Abit listed a module compatibility list but of course left out the most popular brands! No GeIL listed, no OCZ, just generic modules and you could see that some did not work in all slots at once. Unfortunately the only way to know is to just get the damn memory and mobo and try it and hope all slots work at the same time! If not, you'll have to sell or eat your 2x256 and get 2x512!

Is anyone using ALL of your memory slots in DC mode on any of these mobo's I mentioned in my first post? If so (or if not) what memory have you tried and what worked/did not work in all slots?

Thanks for all the input guys. 🙂 WaTaGuMp, Great memory link, thanks for that! That's a new one I had not yet seen.
 
Amazing how much faster the OCZ PC3700 Gold is over the rest at stock settings, very impressive.

Well after reading that link (Memory Holy Grail Pt. 2) a few times it looks like if you're going to o'clock your 2.4C (and who doesn't want to) the PC4000 Copper from OCZ is the way to go. Unfortunately there is no such thing as "OCZ PC4000 COPPER! They don't have it at their website and Pricewatch doesn't have it listed either. Closest I found was their PC4000 with a copper HS, but that's not the same thing, it had much slower timings. So, just where is this "OCZ PC4000 COPPER anyway? If the "Gold" is any indication of price, it's going to be too much. By far the best deal is the GeIL UP PC4000 (2nd in the tests to the OCZ), it's only ~$150 compared to ~$225 for OCZ PC4000 Gold (2x256mb in each instance). If the TRUE "Copper" is less than $225 by a good bit, I'd get it. It doesn't make sense that "copper" would be higher end than "Gold". I wonder if the Anand article tested the Gold but just with copper heatsinks????

Anyone heard anything bad about GeIL Ultra Platinum PC4000? I've heard their slower memory doesn't even run their respective rated specs.

 
Hmmm, interesting. I did a search for "OCZ Copper" and found this. Note that they state several times "OCZ Copper" in the text, and their link going to the OCZ website goes to the OCZ Gold!
 
Originally posted by: computer
Hmmm, interesting. I did a search for "OCZ Copper" and found this. Note that they state several times "OCZ Copper" in the text, and their link going to the OCZ website goes to the OCZ Gold!
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that is very weird i am really confused...OCZ 3700 Gold seems one of the best to Overclock the 2.4c the 4000 gold is what the anandtech review recommends but 3700 Gold isn't it just as good?Also aren't 865/875 give better performance with memory set in dual channel???
 
Originally posted by: computer
Amazing how much faster the OCZ PC3700 Gold is over the rest at stock settings, very impressive.

Well after reading that link (Memory Holy Grail Pt. 2) a few times it looks like if you're going to o'clock your 2.4C (and who doesn't want to) the PC4000 Copper from OCZ is the way to go. Unfortunately there is no such thing as "OCZ PC4000 COPPER! They don't have it at their website and Pricewatch doesn't have it listed either. Closest I found was their PC4000 with a copper HS, but that's not the same thing, it had much slower timings. So, just where is this "OCZ PC4000 COPPER anyway? If the "Gold" is any indication of price, it's going to be too much. By far the best deal is the GeIL UP PC4000 (2nd in the tests to the OCZ), it's only ~$150 compared to ~$225 for OCZ PC4000 Gold (2x256mb in each instance). If the TRUE "Copper" is less than $225 by a good bit, I'd get it. It doesn't make sense that "copper" would be higher end than "Gold". I wonder if the Anand article tested the Gold but just with copper heatsinks????

Anyone heard anything bad about GeIL Ultra Platinum PC4000? I've heard their slower memory doesn't even run their respective rated specs.
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ocz4000 gold should be blazing expensive IMO and should be better than copper, but in the anand...review the copper was GOOD

 
Yes, the OCZ Gold PC4000 2x256 is about $225, but I can't find the copper anywhere to even make a price comparison.....and at the vendor's link I gave that has "copper" for sale, they link to the OCZ "GOLD" page. So this is confusing. I think I'm about to jump on the GeIL PC4000 due to being so much cheaper. I can't see paying that much more for only small(?) performance gain. I'm not even a gamer.
 
See what I wrote above: Amazing how much faster the OCZ PC3700 Gold is over the rest at stock settings, very impressive.

The OCZ PC3700 Gold IS the fastest memory tested at DDR466 and slightly more. It was in first place above all the rest at PC3700 speeds. But look at the bench's for the fastest o'clock performance and it drops quite a bit since the PC4000 modules will go faster. If you're not going to o'clock or have a crappy 2.4C (like I'm afraid of having), or a 2.6C or faster, the PC3700 Gold is the way to go if you want the absolute fastest.....although very expensive. No, for O'clocking a 2.4C, PC4000 is better.

The Anand review recommended the COPPER which I cannot find.
 
Also aren't 865/875 give better performance with memory set in dual channel???
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Yes, the review did use a DC mobo (P4C800) in DC configuration and you're going to get more bandwidth using at least 2 sticks in DC mode.
 
Originally posted by: computer
Also aren't 865/875 give better performance with memory set in dual channel???
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Yes, the review did use a DC mobo (P4C800) in DC configuration and you're going to get more bandwidth using at least 2 sticks in DC mode.
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thats why i was curious of getting the OCZ 3700 GOLD at 2x512 because of that. Also i am planning to take my 2.4c to a higher cpu speed with 1000FSB and 500mhz memory ... i am not aiming to go any higher than that as far as FSB and memory speed goes is the 3700 Gold able to achieve this at low memory timings??

I think these are the OCZ4000 the copper ones OCZ 4000 copper
 
Wow. Where to even start. $225 for a 256 Meg stick of ram??? What are people smoking these days? The REAL performance difference between these different memory brands are TINY. Nothing you would even notice in real applications. With a 2.4C, you will have to run a 5:4 ratio or you will be limiting your CPU speed. That is not the type of memory to do that. Why save $$ buying a 2.4C and waste a big pile of $$ on overpriced memory that is not faster than stuff you can get for much less??

What is your goal? 2.4C @ ??? GHz??
 
Originally posted by: oldfart
Wow. Where to even start. $225 for a 256 Meg stick of ram??? What are people smoking these days? The REAL performance difference between these different memory brands are TINY. Nothing you would even notice in real applications. With a 2.4C, you will have to run a 5:4 ratio or you will be limiting your CPU speed. That is not the type of memory to do that. Why save $$ buying a 2.4C and waste a big pile of $$ on overpriced memory that is not faster than stuff you can get for much less??

What is your goal? 2.4C @ ??? GHz??
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Its 230 for 2x256 of ocz 3700 gold i want to push my 2.4c like in the 2.8-3.0range
 
OK, I missed a post or two and goofed on the mem price (I thought that was insane!) 😱

First, unless you get a cr@ppy 2.4C, 250 FSB will limit the overclocking. That is 3 GHz. Most people get to 3.2- 3.3 with ease. 3.4 - 3.5 GHz happens but not as much. Why limit the CPU speed? To get the full potential from the CPU, you will need somewhere around 270 FSB. Running 1:1 is not necessary, and in this case will only get you a slower rig. 270 FSB = 3.24 GHz. You may be able to get quite a bit higher. You may wind up @ 280 FSB or more. using 270 FSB as an example, you will need ram that can do DDR432 @ 5:4 ratio. Something that can do that with good timings is what you should be looking for.
 
Oldfart...yes to what SuPrEIVIE stated; that's for 2x256, not for one 256mb stick. Yeah I know the difference is tiny, and that's why I'm now leaning toward the GeIL UP PC4000.

My goal?? Well, as fast the it can go! 😉 Actually I'd be very happy with 3.2ghz from my 2.4C. I'm not one of those that "absolutely must squeeze every last bit of mhz at all costs from a PC or be a failure" types. 🙂

SuPrEIVIE, what I was saying was you're better off getting 4x256mb (if your mobo will support it) since 4 sticks give more performance than 2. And you're also better off getting PC4000 for a 2.4C CPU due to it's multiplier I think it was. From what I've read, the 2.4C is better than the 2.6, 3.0, etc at overclocking due to something........I can't recall now but I think it was the multiplier. The article said that for a 2.4C CPU, you should use PC4000 to get the most from it. If you use a 2.6C or higher, PC3700 is best since PC4000 is not needed. (Am I wording that correctly?) I'm not sure if I am, but that's what the reviews are saying.
 
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