Oct 19th AMD (ATi) and Nvidia news

[Vdubchaos]

Anyone anticipating this?

http://www.crn.com/news/components-...etails-reveal-powerful-performance.htm?pgno=1

I really like how Nvidia became more competitive in pricing past few months.

Now they are BOTH releasing new products at the same time. Sounds like in coming weeks it will be a great time to upgrade.

I have a feeling today's 5850 performance will be obtained at $150-200 range if not less.

Really looking forward to see how it all plays out. Should be a great time for a consumer in coming weeks.

Thoughts?

 

[CurseTheSky]

Hurry it up, I say. I want an upgrade to my GTX 285 with native DisplayPort for $200ish.

 

[maniac5999]

The report says Nvidia is "releasing" the Geforce 430 at that time. I hate to break it to you, but there's already a 430 review on the front page, and the conclusion was that it wasn't all that good of a (low end) card to begin with.

 

[apoppin]

indeed. They are out of touch with reality. Anyone can write an opinion piece.

Let me quote them and remind you the GT 430 was released 2 day ago:

Nvidia is planning to unveil a new card of its own on October 19. According to Digitimes Nvidia is planning to release its lower-end GeForce GT 430 architecture on the same day as the AMD show in Taipei.

Anyone anticipating this?

http://www.crn.com/news/components-...etails-reveal-powerful-performance.htm?pgno=1

I really like how Nvidia became more competitive in pricing past few months.

Now they are BOTH releasing new products at the same time. Sounds like in coming weeks it will be a great time to upgrade.

I have a feeling today's 5850 performance will be obtained at $150-200 range if not less.

Really looking forward to see how it all plays out. Should be a great time for a consumer in coming weeks.

Thoughts?

 

[Vdubchaos]

ohh I thought NVidia was releasing new cards as well......I don't call that a new card. Already have a great card for HTPC (5350).....no fan.

 

[jaydee]

ohh I thought NVidia was releasing new cards as well......I don't call that a new card. Already have a great card for HTPC (5350).....no fan.

AMD made a 5350? Don't remember that one...

 

[T2k]

NV cannot release jacksh!t for at least another 6-12 months, at least nothing competitive in the top bracket.

 

[Vdubchaos]

AMD made a 5350? Don't remember that one...

Sorry 5450

 

[apoppin]

NV cannot release jacksh!t for at least another 6-12 months, at least nothing competitive in the top bracket.

RotFL

Nvidia has planned for HD 6000 series. Watch them enable all the disabled and hidden bits of Fermi. Their process has matured and they have more than price to counter AMD's new lineup.

AMD and Nvidia are both on the 40nm process. Expect competition until the new process rolls out .. and then more competition.

My prediction is that this is going to be one of the most interesting 6 months in graphics in a very long time.

 

[ShadowOfMyself]

Watch them enable all the disabled and hidden bits of Fermi.

Ohhhh so we are getting some kind of Detonator here? Or maybe ughhhh, certain optimizations for certain games which would of course not degrade image quality?

Considering that the 460 was the only card that gave AMD a run for their money, they should have done this sooner, if they really have a "trump card"

 

[apoppin]

Ohhhh so we are getting some kind of Detonator here? Or maybe ughhhh, certain optimizations for certain games which would of course not degrade image quality?

Considering that the 460 was the only card that gave AMD a run for their money, they should have done this sooner, if they really have a "trump card"

No need. The 260 release candidates already gave a nice performance boost to Fermi owners.

Haven't you been paying attention to (especially Anand) reviews that talk about disabled parts. We haven't seen GTX 485/475/GTS 455 nor GT 435. All of them have room for solid clock bumps as the process have matured.

You have to realize that Nvidia planned for HD 6000 with Fermi variants. it is their plan. Just because they were late, AMD was late .. and neither company is sleeping.

Remember what i say when i predict it is going to be a very interesting upcoming six months - much more so than the last year.

The only people who will be unhappy will be the ones who want either company killed off by the other (product-wise)

 

[Grooveriding]

No need. The 260 release candidates already gave a nice performance boost to Fermi owners.

Haven't you been paying attention to (especially Anand) reviews that talk about disabled parts. We haven't seen GTX 485/475/GTS 455 nor GT 435. All of them have room for solid clock bumps as the process have matured.

You have to realize that Nvidia planned for HD 6000 with Fermi variants. it is their plan. Just because they were late, AMD was late .. and neither company is sleeping.

Remember what i say when i predict it is going to be a very interesting upcoming six months - much more so than the last year.

The only people who will be unhappy will be the ones who want either company killed off by the other (product-wise)

What do you think NV is going to come to table with ? Just 512SP GF100, 384SP GF104 or a dual-gpu gf104 ? Or a newly designed chip ?

From NV's announcements I got the impression there is no new design until 28nm at the end of 2011.

If a 512SP GF100 and dual-gpu GF104 is the best NV brings in a single-gpu flagship and dual-gpu flagship release, AMD will have to really fumble their 6970 flagship single-gpu and 6990 dual-gpu flagsip to be challenged by those. I could see them forcing pricing down though, particularly if they price a dual-gpu GF104 card cheaply, it likely will be faster than the 6970 but not as fast as a 6990 and could push the price down on the 6970.

 

[Skurge]

The only people who will be unhappy will be the ones who want either company killed off by the other (product-wise)

Anybody who wants that deserves to be unhappy.

 

[apoppin]

You got the wrong impression.

Jensen already said to expect a mid-life bump. Why not?

i just reviewed a Galaxy GTX 480 SOC that runs cool with a core at 825 MHz
- you don't think there have been improvements in the process? None of the Fermis so far are "fully enabled" GPUs.

Don't forget that AMD needs to beef up a few things - but that they are also limited in what they can do on 40 nm

What do you think NV is going to come to table with ? Just 512SP GF100, 384SP GF104 or a dual-gpu gf104 ? Or a newly designed chip ?

From NV's announcements I got the impression there is no new design until 28nm at the end of 2011.

If a 512SP GF100 and dual-gpu GF104 is the best NV brings in a single-gpu flagship and dual-gpu flagship release, AMD will have to really fumble their 6970 flagship single-gpu and 6990 dual-gpu flagsip to be challenged by those. I could see them forcing pricing down though, particularly if they price a dual-gpu GF104 card cheaply, it likely will be faster than the 6970 but not as fast as a 6990 and could push the price down on the 6970.

 

[Grooveriding]

You got the wrong impression.

Jensen already said to expect a mid-life bump. Why not?

i just reviewed a Galaxy GTX 480 SOC that runs cool with a core at 825 MHz
- you don't think there have been improvements in the process? None of the Fermis so far are "fully enabled" GPUs.

Don't forget that AMD needs to beef up a few things - but that they are also limited in what they can do on 40 nm

I fully expect one, but is the mid-life bump going to be a 512SP GF100 and 384SP GF104 and/or a dual-gpu of the GF104, or a new design ?

From what he said it looks like it will be the former not the latter.

 

[Lonyo]

You got the wrong impression.

Jensen already said to expect a mid-life bump. Why not?

i just reviewed a Galaxy GTX 480 SOC that runs cool with a core at 825 MHz
- you don't think there have been improvements in the process? None of the Fermis so far are "fully enabled" GPUs.

Don't forget that AMD needs to beef up a few things - but that they are also limited in what they can do on 40 nm

It runs at 825MHz with 3 fans and a 3 slot cooler. Hardly a "normal" card.
One might also think that ATI has more room to do stuff since they are starting from a smaller die. If NV can do 500mm^2 and ATI are on 334mm^2, then that's a decent amount of headroom which they are "limited" by.

 

[SlowSpyder]

You got the wrong impression.

Jensen already said to expect a mid-life bump. Why not?

i just reviewed a Galaxy GTX 480 SOC that runs cool with a core at 825 MHz
- you don't think there have been improvements in the process? None of the Fermis so far are "fully enabled" GPUs.

Don't forget that AMD needs to beef up a few things - but that they are also limited in what they can do on 40 nm

So they might finally match the year old 5970?

While I think a 512SP Fermi at 825MHz will be a solid part, I still think Nvidia will be playing second fiddle to AMD's highest end part(s).

 

[Vdubchaos]

My prediction is that this is going to be one of the most interesting 6 months in graphics in a very long time.

I just hope that gaming industry give us something WORTHY of playing on these new cards.

Sorry but MOH or new COD is not it. Hoping Crysis 2 will do the trick.

 

[Highmodulus]

Hoping for 5970 price drops then. . .

 

[edplayer]

RotFL

Nvidia has planned for HD 6000 series. Watch them enable all the disabled and hidden bits of Fermi.

What do you expect from more shaders? I don't know about the GF100 but on the GF104, it will make only a small difference. On average, the increase in the 1GB version of the 460 over the 768MB version was less than 10%. Instances where it was much higher was due to less memory so thats already been taken care of.

Their process has matured and they have more than price to counter AMD's new lineup.

Like what, free puppies? everybody loves puppies...

 

[edplayer]

Remember what i say when i predict it is going to be a very interesting upcoming six months - much more so than the last year.

I hope so. Price wars please.

I think they should at least come out with a new driver with very good improvements and a drop in msrp to $199 (or less) for the 1GB 460. Then improved versions of their current cards hopefully before the end of Q1 2011.

 

[apoppin]

What do you expect from more shaders? I don't know about the GF100 but on the GF104, it will make only a small difference. On average, the increase in the 1GB version of the 460 over the 768MB version was less than 10%. Instances where it was much higher was due to less memory so thats already been taken care of.






Like what, free puppies? everybody loves puppies...

You haven't been paying attention to Anand's reviews, have you?


But then .. i don't care to convince you or anyone .. you will soon see for yourself.

 

[CitanUzuki]

You got the wrong impression.

Jensen already said to expect a mid-life bump. Why not?

i just reviewed a Galaxy GTX 480 SOC that runs cool with a core at 825 MHz
- you don't think there have been improvements in the process? None of the Fermis so far are "fully enabled" GPUs.

Don't forget that AMD needs to beef up a few things - but that they are also limited in what they can do on 40 nm

You are saying that 480's are running cooler based off a card that has a three slot cooler and a back plate?

 

[Skurge]

You are saying that 480's are running cooler based off a card that has a three slot cooler and a back plate?

Yes and a 5970 at 900mhz runs cooler with that same cooler.

 

[apoppin]

You are saying that 480's are running cooler based off a card that has a three slot cooler and a back plate?

i am saying that with Nvidia's more mature process they can now overclock the GF100 core to over 800MHz and use a three slot cooler - something they could not dream of 6 months ago in a sub $500 video card that is not watercooled