Occam's Razor= All major religions are false.

[Alchemist99]

Since all major religions deem themselves to the be the only truth and salvation,
the simplest answer is they all are wrong.

Discuss

 

[necine]

Occam's Razor simply states that the simpleist answer is usually the correct one... So if theres two statements:

A) There is a universe
B) There is a universe and god created it

A is more simple, and according to Occam's Razor PROBABLY correct. Although just because it's probably right doesnt mean it is..

 

[yllus]

Both your interpretation of Occam's Razor and the logic in your statement are incredibly idiotic.

I'm not being mean, just upfront. What you wrote was pure idiocy.

 

[Alchemist99]

Originally posted by: yllus
Both your interpretation of Occam's Razor and the logic in your statement are incredibly idiotic.

I'm not being mean, just upfront. What you wrote was pure idiocy.

Well you sure disected us with pure logic, callling someone an idiot is not a retort of intellignce!

 

[mcvickj]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_Razor

 

[Saulbadguy]

Does not apply.

 

[Alchemist99]

Given two equally predictive theories, choose the simpler

 

[yllus]

I have faith in the denizens of AT to join me at laughing at the stupidity of your statement without providing further explanation. But for your sake:

One, you completely misapplied Occam's Razor. Let's say there are two explanations as to how an event happened. OR says that the simplest explanation is probably the best fit. You tell me, how does this apply?

Two, the statement itself. "Since all major religions deem themselves to the be the only truth and salvation, the simplest answer is they all are wrong." WTF kind of sense does that make? Are you saying that one religion proclaiming that it is the only true faith in some way takes away from the others? Is there a finite amount of "truth" to be used up, and we've gotten to the point where there are enough religions to run the supply dry? Really, let's see what explanation you can bring from this.

 

[FeuerFrei]

Naturally only one religion is correct.
They can't all be right.

Occam's razor is just a rule of thumb, not an absolute, understand?

 

[acemcmac]

Originally posted by: Alchemist99

Originally posted by: yllus
Both your interpretation of Occam's Razor and the logic in your statement are incredibly idiotic.

I'm not being mean, just upfront. What you wrote was pure idiocy.

Well you sure disected us with pure logic, callling someone an idiot is not a retort of intellignce!

I like the OP's thinking. It's no more perfect than any other logic on the topic, but it's certainly a worthy postulation...

 

[Alchemist99]

Originally posted by: yllus
I have faith in the denizens of AT to join me at laughing at the stupidity of your statement without providing further explanation. But for your sake:

One, you completely misapplied Occam's Razor. Let's say there are two explanations as to how an event happened. OR says that the simplest explanation is probably the best fit. You tell me, how does this apply?

Two, the statement itself. "Since all major religions deem themselves to the be the only truth and salvation, the simplest answer is they all are wrong." WTF kind of sense does that make? Are you saying that one religion proclaiming that it is the only true faith in some way takes away from the others? Is there a finite amount of "truth" to be used up, and we've gotten to the point where there are enough religions to run the supply dry? Really, let's see what explanation you can bring from this.

For one I did spell it right??? wtf are you talking about.

And secondly I was just stating that acording to Occam's razor

That if you take the question if all religions say they are the truth can they all be right?

A) Yes they're all right!

B) No they"re all wrong!

the simplest answer answer is no

According to the Occam

I didn't say it was my belief!

Edit: for link to spelling Occam's Razor

 

[AgaBoogaBoo]

Originally posted by: yllus
I have faith in the denizens of AT to join me at laughing at the stupidity of your statement without providing further explanation. But for your sake:

One, you completely misapplied Occam's Razor. Let's say there are two explanations as to how an event happened. OR says that the simplest explanation is probably the best fit. You tell me, how does this apply?

Two, the statement itself. "Since all major religions deem themselves to the be the only truth and salvation, the simplest answer is they all are wrong." WTF kind of sense does that make? Are you saying that one religion proclaiming that it is the only true faith in some way takes away from the others? Is there a finite amount of "truth" to be used up, and we've gotten to the point where there are enough religions to run the supply dry? Really, let's see what explanation you can bring from this.

Agreed.

 

[FrontlineWarrior]

this is what happens when people hear fancy sounding terms without understanding the meaning behind it.

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: Alchemist99
For one I did spell it right??? wtf are you talking about.

??

And secondly I was just stating that acording to Occam's razor

That if you take the question if all religions say they are the truth can they all be right?

A) Yes they're all right!

B) No they"re all wrong!

the simplest answer answer is no

Again, I'm going to have to use a list format.

1. The question you're asking now differs significantly from both your thread title and the original post.

2. Let's go with the question, "If all religions say they are the truth can they all be right?" The two possible answers are not what you wrote. The possible answers are:
A) They can all be correct.
B) They cannot all be correct.

Do you see the difference between my B) and your B)? Take a look at each of the scenarios in a fixed set of 100 religions. Does 1 religion out of 100 being "wrong about the truth" make them all wrong? With the answers you've listed, apparently so! Why would the invalidity of one religion make you answer that they are all wrong?

According to the Occam

I didn't say it was my belief!

No, that is not what Occam's Razor means.

Put quotes around something that you are not postulating about yourself.

 

[Alchemist99]

Originally posted by: FrontlineWarrior
this is what happens when people hear fancy sounding terms without understanding the meaning behind it.

Oh yeah, it's such a complex theory my mind is reeling:

"Given two equally predictive theories, choose the simpler."

 

[rh71]

How can 90%+ of the world's population believe in a religion ?

What ever happened to "I'll believe it when I see it" ? 90+ is an overwhelming number. Is it because people simply grew up with it so they "believe" ... and it just gets passed on and on ?

 

[BD2003]

2. Let's go with the question, "If all religions say they are the truth can they all be right?" The two possible answers are not what you wrote. The possible answers are:
A) They can all be correct.
B) They cannot all be correct.

Do you see the difference between my B) and your B)? Take a look at each of the scenarios in a fixed set of 100 religions. Does 1 religion out of 100 being "wrong about the truth" make them all wrong? With the answers you've listed, apparently so! Why would the invalidity of one religion make you answer that they are all wrong?

What he's saying is quite simple, I dont know why you are misunderstanding it.

What he is saying, is that basically, all major religions claim to be the one *true* path. Now Im well aware that all major religions do not say this (Buddhism, for example).

But for those that do, take catholicism, islam and judaism for example. All proclaim to be the one true way. All say, "we are right, and they are wrong."

So there are three options.

1) One is right and the rest are wrong. Possible, but I suppose its up for everyone to decide for themselves since they all rely on faith. But of course, if youre wrong, you either go to hell, or well...youre just wrong.

2) Since they all equally proclaim to be the single point of truth, this does not absolutely 100% logically imply that they are all false, but applying the razor, it seems quite reasonable to agree that theyre ALL wrong, since theres no shortage of religions proclaiming the one true way and belief. Whats more likely, one out of thousands of religions finally hitting the absolute truth, and believe in the right god, while the rest of the world has had it all wrong forever? Or that religion is a structured system of beliefs derived from the culture from which it has arisen, and therefore, each will necessarily be different, and no more right than the rest?

3) There is no such thing as right or wrong in this case, as there are many different paths to truth. Which is what I believe yulls is trying to say, and while most intelligent spiritual people can understand this, there is a great deal of ignorance and overbearing piety that what the OP is saying cannot be immediately discounted. There are very likely far, far more people that believe they have the ONE TRUE WAY, and everyone else is wrong.

I mean, after we all saw trading spouses and all...

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: BD2003

2. Let's go with the question, "If all religions say they are the truth can they all be right?" The two possible answers are not what you wrote. The possible answers are:
A) They can all be correct.
B) They cannot all be correct.

Do you see the difference between my B) and your B)? Take a look at each of the scenarios in a fixed set of 100 religions. Does 1 religion out of 100 being "wrong about the truth" make them all wrong? With the answers you've listed, apparently so! Why would the invalidity of one religion make you answer that they are all wrong?

What he's saying is quite simple, I dont know why you are misunderstanding it.

What he is saying, is that basically, all major religions claim to be the one *true* path. Now Im well aware that all major religions do not say this (Buddhism, for example).

But for those that do, take catholicism, islam and judaism for example. All proclaim to be the one true way. All say, "we are right, and they are wrong."

So there are three options.

1) One is right and the rest are wrong. Possible, but I suppose its up for everyone to decide for themselves since they all rely on faith. But of course, if youre wrong, you either go to hell, or well...youre just wrong.

2) Since they all equally proclaim to be the single point of truth, this does not absolutely 100% logically imply that they are all false, but applying the razor, it seems quite reasonable to agree that theyre ALL wrong, since theres no shortage of religions proclaiming the one true way and belief. Whats more likely, one out of thousands of religions finally hitting the absolute truth, and believe in the right god, while the rest of the world has had it all wrong forever? Or that religion is a structured system of beliefs derived from the culture from which it has arisen, and therefore, each will necessarily be different, and no more right than the rest?

3) There is no such thing as right or wrong in this case, as there are many different paths to truth. Which is what I believe yulls is trying to say, and while most intelligent spiritual people can understand this, there is a great deal of ignorance and overbearing piety that what the OP is saying cannot be immediately discounted. There are very likely far, far more people that believe they have the ONE TRUE WAY, and everyone else is wrong.

I mean, after we all saw trading spouses and all...

Take the OP's hypothesis and modify it slightly and use his same logic.

There are many differing theories about the origin of the universe. Therefore they are all wrong. So even the popularly accept scientific theory is wrong.

There are differing opinions on global warming, therefore they are all wrong. So... does global warming exist or not? Both I guess, because all of the theories are wrong.

 

[imported_Reck]

Mulder: Occams Razor of Limited Imagination

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: BD2003

2. Let's go with the question, "If all religions say they are the truth can they all be right?" The two possible answers are not what you wrote. The possible answers are:
A) They can all be correct.
B) They cannot all be correct.

Do you see the difference between my B) and your B)? Take a look at each of the scenarios in a fixed set of 100 religions. Does 1 religion out of 100 being "wrong about the truth" make them all wrong? With the answers you've listed, apparently so! Why would the invalidity of one religion make you answer that they are all wrong?

What he's saying is quite simple, I dont know why you are misunderstanding it.

What he is saying, is that basically, all major religions claim to be the one *true* path. Now Im well aware that all major religions do not say this (Buddhism, for example).

But for those that do, take catholicism, islam and judaism for example. All proclaim to be the one true way. All say, "we are right, and they are wrong."

So there are three options.

1) One is right and the rest are wrong. Possible, but I suppose its up for everyone to decide for themselves since they all rely on faith. But of course, if youre wrong, you either go to hell, or well...youre just wrong.

2) Since they all equally proclaim to be the single point of truth, this does not absolutely 100% logically imply that they are all false, but applying the razor, it seems quite reasonable to agree that theyre ALL wrong, since theres no shortage of religions proclaiming the one true way and belief. Whats more likely, one out of thousands of religions finally hitting the absolute truth, and believe in the right god, while the rest of the world has had it all wrong forever? Or that religion is a structured system of beliefs derived from the culture from which it has arisen, and therefore, each will necessarily be different, and no more right than the rest?

3) There is no such thing as right or wrong in this case, as there are many different paths to truth. Which is what I believe yulls is trying to say, and while most intelligent spiritual people can understand this, there is a great deal of ignorance and overbearing piety that what the OP is saying cannot be immediately discounted. There are very likely far, far more people that believe they have the ONE TRUE WAY, and everyone else is wrong.

I mean, after we all saw trading spouses and all...

Take the OP's hypothesis and modify it slightly and use his same logic.

There are many differing theories about the origin of the universe. Therefore they are all wrong. So even the popularly accept scientific theory is wrong.

There are differing opinions on global warming, therefore they are all wrong. So... does global warming exist or not? Both I guess, because all of the theories are wrong.

Which I understand completely, but the subject in consideration is something that can NEVER be proven, and there can never be any non-circumstantial evidence. Evidence isnt even a requirement. It is also a subject in which several people have come to independent conclusions, with their own absolute certainty that they are right and everyone else is wrong.

Which changes the game entirely.

When we're discussing a scientific or logical concept such as global warming, then you are absolutely right, and I agree with you. But thats not what we're discussing.

 

[Legendary]

According to the OP, any particular field where more than one theory exists is completely unknown to us, because the mere idea of having more than one explanatory theory negates them both.
Thus, if one day we actually figured out which religion was closest to the truth, and eliminated the rest...then we introduced the Flying Spaghetti Monster, it would invalidate the actual true religion (please note I'm not saying that a true religion exists, this is just a hypothetical.)

 

[andylawcc]

Originally posted by: necine
Occam's Razor simply states that the simpleist answer is usually the correct one... So if theres two statements:

A) There is a universe
B) There is a universe and god created it

A is more simple, and according to Occam's Razor PROBABLY correct. Although just because it's probably right doesnt mean it is..

ownage! short, concise, clear-cut answer!
you FTW!

 

[imported_hscorpio]

Originally posted by: rh71
How can 90%+ of the world's population believe in a religion ?

What ever happened to "I'll believe it when I see it" ? 90+ is an overwhelming number. Is it because people simply grew up with it so they "believe" ... and it just gets passed on and on ?

Pretty much just passed on and on. Only a small number of people actually choose their religion, most are born into it by chance. Also I think the fact that +90% of the world believes in religion does not lend any validity to religion or the existance of a god. It just tells us that humans have a need for explanation, a need to know why we are here and what happens after death. Thats where stories about god/s came from. Those are the only things all religions have in common: explanations for creation, purpose, and the afterlife.

The fact that religions differ so greatly is also telling. If there was an all powerful God who created everything, you would think he/she/it would deliver the same message to all humans and make sure we don't mix the stories up.

 

[Accipiter22]

Originally posted by: Alchemist99
Since all major religions deem themselves to the be the only truth and salvation,
the simplest answer is they all are wrong.

Discuss

occam's razor isn't a law, dipwad.

 

[Ronstang]

Originally posted by: Alchemist99
Since all major religions deem themselves to the be the only truth and salvation,
the simplest answer is they all are wrong.

Discuss

I have been saying something similar for years. The fact that there are so many different religions and sub-religions and so many different "gods" then that is an indictment on them all. If there is a creator there can only be ONE.