RussianSensation
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That review is awful. FurMark for power consumption, some outdated games, no overclocking, no noise levels. Ok, next.
It could be Ontario, California.Yeh that's odd its like they rushed everything. Ha you know what, checked status of my card and its in Ontario Canada. Dunno why newegg sends it there from California first.
Did they get it in stock already?Yeh that's odd its like they rushed everything. Ha you know what, checked status of my card and its in Ontario Canada. Dunno why newegg sends it there from California first.
It's really strange. Ocaholic were the ones who first showed of the O/C'ing prowess of the 7850 when you gave it some voltage. They were also the ones who showed us the performance improvements with each Cat release. Now they are running old drivers and they've stopped O/C'ing. WTF?That review is awful. FurMark for power consumption, some outdated games, no overclocking, no noise levels. Ok, next.
Just my thought... why are they using 12.4? Its well known 12.7, 12.8, 12.9 have given the 79xx series a pretty nice boost. Also, whats with the lack of temperatures, overclocking and noise levels... a big part of this card is the fan/heatsink Asus stuck on it.It's really strange. Ocaholic were the ones who first showed of the O/C'ing prowess of the 7850 when you gave it some voltage. They were also the ones who showed us the performance improvements with each Cat release. Now they are running old drivers and they've stopped O/C'ing. WTF?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814131471I'm in the market for a 7970 or 680. I wish ASUS would give concrete pricing and dates, since the DCII cooler is supposed to be one of the bests and I like that this is at 1100 mhz from the factory, since I don't really feel like overclocking myself, regardless of how easy it is now.
Yet the Nvidia cards used 4 different drivers.1. Catalyst 12.4 use.
We did use them to keep results comparable with previous cards we benched with
I disagree. You weren't even testing a lot of cards. Being one driver version behind, two at the most, is understandable. Being 4-5 versions behind is unacceptable.As they are more than onre or two, spending ~2.5 hours per card to bench them all again with latest drivers is not worth it.
May as well clock any 7970 to 1100/1650 then. It's not like people don't already know how the 7970 performs at that level.Furthermore it's aobout to show the performance difference between the regular 7970 and the Matrix.
But you included Nvidia cards in your reviews.Whenever you use the 12.4 or the 12.8, performance difference will be the same (not against nvidia cards though as some performance bugs have been fixed in new drivers).
Do you expect casual readers to factor that in?That's one reason we have driver performance tests.
You should have waited and done a proper review.2. No noise level/No Temperature.
Remember we published the pics of the card ? Well ASUS moved the NDA without notify us so they asked to remove our pics.
Now they forgot to notify us that they moved the NDA for reviews again from 27th september to 16th October, as they did a mistake twice they said we can keep the review published but we had to remove some parts (like the noise level, temperature, overclocking and so).
You couldn't raise the voltage, most overclocking utilities don't work, you're an overclocking centered website, and you gave it a 5/5 rating?3. Overclocking.
First reason of no overclocking: ASUS asked us to remove that part.
Second reason is that we didn't manage to raise the voltages of the card nor overclock it.
First of all both GPU Tweak It version we had (one provided by ASUS and the one in the bundle didn't work), both frequency and voltages.
We managed to overclock it via MSI Afterburner Xtreme Edition (frequencies not voltages) but well ASUS doesn't want to show that we are using their competitor to overclock their card.
Then this week end we tried during two days to raise the voltages of the card without sucess. And it's not like we are noobs as in our team we have some world top overclockers (Hiwa, Splmann, myself). We tried, buttons on the cards, asus hotwire, vmods, oc key, gpu tweakit, gpu tweakheaven, afterburner, asus powercontrol, well we did everything, no way...
I didn't really have an issue with game selection, except that DiRT 2 is pretty old. I'd change it out for DiRT 3 or Showdown4. Games outdated.
Do you have any suggestions ?
Apologies for the evisceration, but I hope the feedback helps.btw, thanks for the feedbacks guys, really appreciated.
Yes because for exemple you can't use the drivers used for the 660 Ti with the 660 as they aren't supported in those drivers. When cards are supported with the previous drivers I use them.Yet the Nvidia cards used 4 different drivers.
AMD Radeon HD 7970 CrossFireI disagree. You weren't even testing a lot of cards.
In fact we are at two drivers behind, AMD didn't release any 12.5 or 12.7 WHQL. So newer ones are only 12.6 and 12.8Being one driver version behind, two at the most, is understandable. Being 4-5 versions behind is unacceptable
I agree on that one, that's why there will be another article followingMay as well clock any 7970 to 1100/1650 then. It's not like people don't already know how the 7970 performs at that level.
Yes, you are rightBut you included Nvidia cards in your reviews.
True point, I should mention it,I did it last time, forgot this time...Do you expect casual readers to factor that in?
Wrong, ASUS should have done their job right twice.You should have waited and done a proper review.
Pretty sure it will turn out we have a defective sample or something like this as I know some of my overclocking friends who managed to raise voltages and overclock the card.You couldn't raise the voltage, most overclocking utilities don't work, you're an overclocking centered website, and you gave it a 5/5 rating?
True, I wanted to do so but I didn't have DIRT3 and Showdown back in the day, will be done for next GPU charts updateI didn't really have an issue with game selection, except that DiRT 2 is pretty old. I'd change it out for DiRT 3 or Showdown
Apologies for the evisceration, but I hope the feedback helps.
It isn't just those two drivers. You go all the way from 296.10 to 306.02.nVidia told me there were no performanvce improvements made between those two drivers in the exemple above, only added 660 support.
Two things:AMD Radeon HD 7970 CrossFire
ASUS Radeon HD 7970 Matrix Platinum
ASUS Radeon HD 7970 DirectCU II Top
AMD Radeon HD 7970 (XFX Double Dissipation)
AMD Radeon HD 7950 CrossFire
ASUS Radeon HD 7950 DirectCU II Top
AMD Radeon HD 7950
ASUS Radeon HD 7870 DirectCU II Top CrossFire
ASUS Radeon HD 7870 DirectCU II Top
AMD Radeon HD 7870
ASUS Radeon HD 7850 DirectCU II Top
Club3D Radeon HD 7750 Royal Queen
That's 12 cards belonging to the HD 7xxx series, so that would be 40 hours of additional testing.
While that's true, it's a technicality. Even if AMD had bothered to release WHQL versions of Cat 12.5 and 12.7 the current WHQLs would be just as far ahead.In fact we are at two drivers behind, AMD didn't release any 12.5 or 12.7 WHQL. So newer ones are only 12.6 and 12.8![]()
Sure Asus screwed up, but that's not what readers are thinking when they read your review. At the very least you could have framed things better, either by explaining to the reader the situation, or just calling the review "Part 1" and withholding grading until part 2 is finished.Wrong, ASUS should have done their job right twice.
A defective sample could mean quality control issues. As a reviewer, you should try to get to the bottom of it and inform your readers as best you can. If I were in your place, I'd wouldn't be so quick to hand out a 5/5 to a company that gave me a defective sample.Pretty sure it will turn out we have a defective sample or something like this as I know some of my overclocking friends who managed to raise voltages and overclock the card.
Understandable.True, I wanted to do so but I didn't have DIRT3 and Showdown back in the day, will be done for next GPU charts update![]()
Well, seems like you have an open mind, and I'm glad I didn't offend you.You are welcome, it's very appreciated, it's the only way for me to improve reviews, if I don't have any feedbacks then I can think it's a prefect review, but I know I have to rework the GPU reviews and a few other ones, I joined ocaholic not long ago and I am currently working on old templates even if I already improved them
Yes 296.10 for everything before GTX 6xx series as they aren't compatible with any GTX 6xx we had to use 30x.x ones.It isn't just those two drivers. You go all the way from 296.10 to 306.02.
You have a very good point, I had this idea in mind but finally removed:Two things:
One: There were a total of ten cards in the review, five of which were Radeons. You might need to retest other cards for different reviews, but you don't need to do them all at once.
Two: Many of those custom cards might not need to be retested, ever. You usually only need the stock cards for comparison.
:whiste:While that's true, it's a technicality. Even if AMD had bothered to release WHQL versions of Cat 12.5 and 12.7 the current WHQLs would be just as far ahead.
We were caught off guard, I will check with my colleague to edit the review and add into the introduction and the conclusion as I am out of office for 3 days.Sure Asus screwed up, but that's not what readers are thinking when they read your review. At the very least you could have framed things better, either by explaining to the reader the situation, or just calling the review "Part 1" and withholding grading until part 2 is finished.
Though this one is very likely a retail version of the card as we got it very early some stuff like this happens. May be true, may be wrong for the retail version but as we can't state on this we didn't mention it before having more informations on the matter. ASUS just sent a new BIOS to us and other review websites that should fix the issue. Hopefully the BIOS is updated on retail product, I will have to ask.A defective sample could mean quality control issues. As a reviewer, you should try to get to the bottom of it and inform your readers as best you can. If I were in your place, I'd wouldn't be so quick to hand out a 5/5 to a company that gave me a defective sample.
You are welcomeWell, seems like you have an open mind, and I'm glad I didn't offend you.
Thanks for considering everything. I knew there were performance issues early on w/Skyrim, but the game is performing better now. The problem with that is a lot of people don't follow video cards. They merely read reviews when they are actually shopping for a card. A lot of times it could be the first time they've ever even looked at a tech site. The info you guys give them is what they are basing there buying decision on today. They need to know current performance levels to make this decision. Having old or broken drivers or games that skew the results can mislead them into believing one card is better than another when it's not the case.Yes wouldn't be a bad idea to drop CoD and StarCraft (already thought about it).
Tessmark has been optimized by AMD but they did it wrong, I contacted them about it because I saw the issue but they never contacted me back on this one. Will drop it to.
Wanted to add BL2 now that I bought it and Showdown was already planned to replace DIRT2.
As for Skyrim that's true, Catalyst 12.4 aren't performing well that's why the values are in red, I show this in our driver performance tests.
Sniper Elite V2, 2012 release, Dx11 and can be very demanding depending on in game settings used. Uses Super Sampling, D3D accelerated AA and DoF, Shader Model 5 contact hardening shadows.I don't have alain wake nor sniper elite v2 nor max payne, are they really demanding game ? Sorry I didn't follow them![]()
Not sure about bugginess (sic). just mentioned it because it can be very demanding and is a game that is widely used as a benchmark. Can be used to compare relative to other reviews because of that.As for Metro 2033, It's demanding but was very bugged at first, lots of reviewers complaned about it, so I removed from my mind. Maybe the issues have been fixed now...
OpenCL is an emerging feature. It's not immensely popular at the moment. It's another way to implement GPU acceleration to dramatically increase performance in tasks that have generally been done using the CPU. I suppose to do it right someone would need to do a performance article featuring OpenCL. See what useful applications run it and show people the benefits. Then some benchmarks could be included in reviews with a reference back to the original article for a better explanation of it's uses.As for OpenCL, do you think a lot of people will be interested to see results ?
PhysX, yeah on a separated article, but a lot of websites do it too, maybe if something interesting come out that no one did then I will give it a try.
What is GCN btw ?![]()
Thanks for updating the AMD driver! That alone perked my curiosity as I know they've increased performance lately. It's also great you're taking suggestions to heart and providing good rational answers whether or not you will do them.@Russian,
Thank you very much for the feedback, I will consider that.
And STALKER was run in DX11.
http://www.ocaholic.ch/xoops/html/modules/smartsection/item.php?itemid=901&sel_lang=english
Review back online:
Changes: Temperatures, noise levels, RPMs, VRM temps.
Rebenched all cards using Catalyst 12.9Beta.
No overclocking: the MCU of our card died (was already not working in the first place).
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