OC sucess on my first try - thanks to you guys

richardrds

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Well, 2 months ago I knew my dying PIII (700Mhs) needed to be replaced/upgraded so i started researching the forums here. I determined with your help that the best performance bang for the buck system i could buy was a A64 S939 (3000+ winchester, Abit AV8, 512M Value RAM, 6800 GPU, NEC 3500, 80G SATA HD, X-infinity gaming case w/420W Power Supply) which i purchased prebuilt and tested for $970 (not bad).

1 month ago i received my new rig and was happy with the stock performance and was afraid to overclock at that time because i never did it before. After researching this site OC forum and a couple others i finally decided to take the plunge last night and try to OC my system.

From the research i found the AV8 has AGP lock problems when the HTT gets over 250-260M so i decided to go with the 8:2:1 devider instead, and since i was using PC3200 Value Ram (3 3 3 8 1T) I would go with a 2:3 mem devider (thanks to the mem sticky here). Following are my settings i changed to make my OC a sucess:

1. Changed AGP from 6:2:1 to 8:2:1

2. Was able to leave all voltages at stock thanks to Winchester core on my 3000+.
*** EDIT - Even though my stability with prime was looking good initially , because i passed two separate 4 hours tests, when i tried to test longer then that 1 got a rounding error in hour 5. I was depressed at first, but then just took the advice of others here and increased my Vcore voltage from stock 1.4 to 1.475V, and increased my DDRVDD from stock 2.65 to 2.7V. Well i am glad to say this seems to have done the trick because as i am typing this in my browser i am 14.5 hours into a prime torture test and still counting!! ***

3. Changed HTT from 200 to 278 which took my 1.8Ghz 3000+ up to 2.5 Ghz ( > 3800+).

4. Changed DRAM from 400 to 266 (2:3 Divider so at 278 HTT my PC3200 value ram is running at 178Mhz)

5. Changed LDT Multipler from 5x to 2x (did not try 3x because people in the forums said 3x had problems with Abit AV8 mobo and 2x benchmarks showed no negatives in performance).

I have tested Prime torture test stable for 4 hours and seem to be 3D stable also (ran 3dmark03/05, Far Cry, and AH2 Flight sim with no problems for about 4 hours). I think I am stable, but over the next couple of days i will run some 12 Hour sessions of Prime torture test just to make sure.

With Stock settings (1.8 Ghz) my SuperPie 1M took 46 seconds. With my new OC (2.5 Ghz) i cut 9 seconds off my time and now run 1M at 37 seconds.

Just wanted to say thanks to everyone at this forum, without getting the confidence from reading these threads I would have never tried to OC my system. Not to bad for $970, i have a new budget PC that performs like a $2000 + Allien rig. Now i know why you guys like OverClocking so much. :)

My next project will be to OC and softmod my 6800 so it performs closer to a 6800GT (time to research and learn Riva Tuner :) )

And Thanks to the great Hot Deals Forum here, i just replaced my 17" monitor with a 19" for $67. Starting to really like this place!!!!!!! No more squinting trying to ID boagies while playing AcesHigh2 Combat Flight Simulator.
 

kranky

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I agree that the people here are amazingly helpful.

But give yourself a pat on the back as well. You did your research, locating the bits of information that applied to your situation and going about it in a logical way. And not only that, you knew what needed to be done to test that your system was stable, and did it.

Many times I see threads from people who are having trouble, and it's because they didn't take the time to do it right like you did.

So congrats to you, and to the helpful folks at AT!
 

richardrds

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Thanks guys,

Next time i need a new PC/Upgrade i will try and assemble and test it myself. I was considering doing that this time, but after researching the price of the parts being bought from newegg/pricewatch vs me buying the rig allready assembled and tested from Extreme PC, it was the same price. So i figured i would not risk building it myself. An unexpected bonus was Extreme Gear actually used Retail mobo and CPU and sent me all the retail extras/manual/box from the parts. Also comes with 1 year 24hour help desk and onsight service (2 visits).
 

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wow thats a really nice price, for a nice rig!! Mine was about $1200, check my sig for details
if your 6800 does 350/700, then diffennately unlock those extra pipes and vertex shader. heres a link thats SO easy to follow:GreatLinkage
Good luck, have fun with that rig for me ;),
Nick
 

richardrds

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Originally posted by: zakee00
wow thats a really nice price, for a nice rig!! Mine was about $1200, check my sig for details
if your 6800 does 350/700, then diffennately unlock those extra pipes and vertex shader. heres a link thats SO easy to follow:GreatLinkage
Good luck, have fun with that rig for me ;),
Nick


yeah thats about right:

6800GT vs 6800 = about $100 differance.
512M PC3200 Value RAm vs 1G Ultra PC4000 = about $100 differance.

The BFG 6800 comes from them oced 325to350/700. I plan to open the extra 4 pipes and 6th vs via Riva Tuner and hopefully get the clocking to around 380/830. Then it will perform alot more closer to a 6800GT (@ stock speed).

Thanks for that link zakee00!!!!
 

richardrds

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Just wanted to give an update. Even though my stability with prime was looking good initially , because i passed two separate 4 hours tests, when i tried to test longer then that 1 got a rounding error in hour 5. I was depressed at first, but then just took the advice of others here and increased my Vcore voltage from stock 1.4 to 1.475V, and increased my DDRVDD from stock 2.65 to 2.7

Well i am glad to say this seems to have done the trick because as i am typing this in my browser i am 14.5 hours into a prime torture test and still counting (cool, i did not realize that i could still web search while prime was running. I have task manager up and everytime i download a new page i see prime drop from 99% utilization to 60's and the web browser picks up the other 40%. Quess the multi tasking feature works as advertyised, LOL!!!!).


One final question about temperatures. Using the windows monitoring proggy that came with my ABIT AV8 mobo, at stock 1.8Ghz i noticed the idle cpu temp was around 39*C and under 100% load around 51*C. With my OC to 2.5Ghz and the increased Vcore and DDRVDD I notice the Idle temp at around 41*C and under 100% load about 62*C. These seem a bit high but keep in mind i believe the ABit AV8 has known pblms with the temps be reported at least 5 degress high, so i am hoping i am really at a max of no more then 57* under full 100% load with mu OC. Do i need to be concerned about these temps, or is this about right for a 3000+ winnie OCed from 1.8 to 2.5Ghz on a Abit AV8 using the retail HSF.
 

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IMHO I think those temps are great for the retail heatsink. Is it all aluminum or does it have a copper insert in the base?
 

richardrds

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Thanks for replying jeff,

I don't see anything that looks copper colored, only silverish, so i assume i have an aluminum HSF. This is the one that came standard with the boxed retail version of the 3000+ Winchester.

I have my Windows MicroGuru Utility set up for the following 3 OC settings and only plan to use the high 2.5GHz setting when i am gaming or trying to impress someone with a benchmark, LOL!!!

Setting 1 = 2.0Ghz w/ 2:3 Mem Divider (This is about performance equivalant to my stock 1.8Ghz with 1:1 Mem Divider)
Setting 2 = 2.25Ghz w/ 2:3 Mem Divider
Setting 3 = 2.5Ghz w/ 2:3 Mem Diivider

My X-Infinity Gaming case does have 3 fans installed, 120mm intake on back, 80mm intake on side clear panel blowing on CPU, and 80mm exhaust on top of case where all the heat rises too. In a 70*F room my case temp at 2.5GH OC 100% load is 81*F.

So what you are saying is i don't have to worry about burning up my winnie with that 62*C at 2.5Ghz 100% load, Is that correct?
 

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Originally posted by: richardrds
Thanks for replying jeff,

I don't see anything that looks copper colored, only silverish, so i assume i have an aluminum HSF. This is the one that came standard with the boxed retail version of the 3000+ Winchester.

I have my Windows MicroGuru Utility set up for the following 3 OC settings and only plan to use the high 2.5GHz setting when i am gaming or trying to impress someone with a benchmark, LOL!!!

Setting 1 = 2.0Ghz w/ 2:3 Mem Divider (This is about equivalant to my stock 1.8Ghz with 1:1 Mem Divider
Setting 2 = 2.25Ghz w/ 2:3 Mem Divider
Setting 3 = 2.5Ghz w/ 2:3 Mem Diivider

My X-Infinity Gaming case does have 3 fans installed, 120mm intake on back, 80mm intake on side clear panel blowing on CPU, and 80mm exhaust on top of case where all the heat rises too. In a 70*F room my case temp at 2.5GH OC 100% load is 81*F.

So what you are saying is i don't have to worry about burning up my winnie with that 62*C at 2.5Ghz 100% load, Is that correct?

yeah, if you are passing prime at "62C" then your temps are fine. link. the abit mobo gave temps that were about on average 11C higher then they really were. and yes, the stock HSF is aluminum and it does a great job cooling the winnies espically with some AS5.

concerning your voltages, thats diffenalty what you have to do ;) nice job. at 1.5vcore i pretty much maxed my chip out at 2.655 GHz and i get load temps of 52C (proabably more realistic then your mobos temp readings). and the reason your prime CPU useage dropped to 60% is because it is automaticly set to a 'low" priority in taks manager, so your system automaticly give priority to your web browser ;)
i run SETI@home 24/7 even while playing HL2 and there is no FPS difference because SETI just uses the leftover cpu cycles that are available after HL2 is done.
 

richardrds

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Thanks guys, wanted to add info in this thread to how i fixed 3D stability problem with my BFG 6800.

If you have one of the new Gforce 6800 series GPU's (some have reported pblm and fix with 59xx also)
there is a known bug with the current officially released Nividia drivers that can cause unexplained BSOD crashes related to the nx bit in the A64 archetecture and windows XPsp2.

For more detailed info on this please see the following thread:

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...=1506846&enterthread=y