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TravisT

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Here we are at P&N forums continuing to argue over every single issue. We have groups of people from the far left, far right, and a few moderates. It is quite obvious that regardless of what Bush does, there will continue to be bashing of the "other side" and I don't forsee the country coming together in the next 4 years, regardless of how much I wish it would.

What about next term? We'll have 2 brand new candidates. Do you guys think that this seperation will continue for quite sometime and leak over into the next elections? Or will we see a moderate Democrat who can compete with the right and someone we can all put our trust into? Will the Christians be able to reelect a God-fearing Republican that can gain the trust from the left?

How much longer can our country see these types of attitudes and find them to be acceptable in this great nation? Personally, I'm tired of arguing my point of view, what will it take for compromising to see this country reunite?
 
EagleKeeper

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Until a candidate is nonimated and elected with a decided majority, there will always be bitterness.

Each side will feel that the other stole their birthright.
 
judasmachine

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Not until as EK said there is just a really popular canidate that runs away with the whole show, and we're all at the very least satisfied. The reactions to a 48/52 (or something close to that) are justfied in that it's now a SLIGHT majority telling a SLIGHT minority what they have to sit through for the next 4 years. We need a compromise that we can all live with, not an all or nothing type attitude.
 
nakedfrog

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I just hope the Democrats have better sense than to send Hillary up as a candidate.
 
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I think there's been interesting discussion lately about how today's politics are a continuation of the civil war. In this view, we've been divided for a very very long time and there are only temporary lulls of powerlessness on one side now and then. I mean has the South EVER been on the same side as a large portion of the country? The Civil war, failed reconstruction, the civil rights movement (these people were advocating oppressing blacks don't forget), now today they are still much more to the right then most Americans. So will we be re-uniting? No, it seems like we'll remain divided until there is such dramatic population shift that the white south is only a very vocal minority. (How did the south affect this election? Well Bush won the south by more votes than he won the popular election, meaning the south was a very large factor in his favor.)
 
KK

KK

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Originally posted by: Infohawk
I think there's been interesting discussion lately about how today's politics are a continuation of the civil war. In this view, we've been divided for a very very long time and there are only temporary lulls of powerlessness on one side now and then. I mean has the South EVER been on the same side as a large portion of the country? The Civil war, failed reconstruction, the civil rights movement (these people were advocating oppressing blacks don't forget), now today they are still much more to the right then most Americans. So will we be re-uniting? No, it seems like we'll remain divided until there is such dramatic population shift that the white south is only a very vocal minority. (How did the south affect this election? Well Bush won the south by more votes than he won the popular election, meaning the south was a very large factor in his favor.)
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South is alot bigger than just in the south, huh?
 
IHateMyJob2004

IHateMyJob2004

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Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Until a candidate is nonimated and elected with a decided majority, there will always be bitterness.

Each side will feel that the other stole their birthright.
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I honestly think Bush supporters don't care about the election. So if a future republican looses, they simply won't care.
 
EXman

EXman

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Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Until a candidate is nonimated and elected with a decided majority, there will always be bitterness.

Each side will feel that the other stole their birthright.
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:roll:

Regardless of how much Bush won by you would say it is not enough.

Originally posted by: KK
Originally posted by: Infohawk
I think there's been interesting discussion lately about how today's politics are a continuation of the civil war. In this view, we've been divided for a very very long time and there are only temporary lulls of powerlessness on one side now and then. I mean has the South EVER been on the same side as a large portion of the country? The Civil war, failed reconstruction, the civil rights movement (these people were advocating oppressing blacks don't forget), now today they are still much more to the right then most Americans. So will we be re-uniting? No, it seems like we'll remain divided until there is such dramatic population shift that the white south is only a very vocal minority. (How did the south affect this election? Well Bush won the south by more votes than he won the popular election, meaning the south was a very large factor in his favor.)
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South is alot bigger than just in the south, huh?
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Ownage sorry but I know the other side was already rubbing it in even before we voted!



"W" stands for WIN! :D :D :D :D :D ;););););) :lips::lips::lips::lips: :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: :cool::cool::cool::cool:

:beer: for any and all Dems who can laugh about this and move on :)
 
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Valvoline6

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"Coming together" is a lot of crap. We haven't come together since... Maybe the 50's. Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush. Serious partisanship all the way as far as presidential politics goes, on BOTH sides. Coming together is the media's way of saying "Bush should be liberal". They are actually trying to portray Hillary as a moderate... SO healing, coming together, and common ground means "agree with the Democrats". I say the hell with coming together. The Republicans won, let's try to get something done. If it sucks the country will boot the Republicans out, just like they booted the Democrats out of congress in 1994.
 
cKGunslinger

cKGunslinger

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Originally posted by: KK
Originally posted by: Infohawk
I think there's been interesting discussion lately about how today's politics are a continuation of the civil war. In this view, we've been divided for a very very long time and there are only temporary lulls of powerlessness on one side now and then. I mean has the South EVER been on the same side as a large portion of the country? The Civil war, failed reconstruction, the civil rights movement (these people were advocating oppressing blacks don't forget), now today they are still much more to the right then most Americans. So will we be re-uniting? No, it seems like we'll remain divided until there is such dramatic population shift that the white south is only a very vocal minority. (How did the south affect this election? Well Bush won the south by more votes than he won the popular election, meaning the south was a very large factor in his favor.)
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South is alot bigger than just in the south, huh?
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That's an interesting map. I wonder what's the rationale for the Kerry counties/parishes along the lower Mississippi River?
 
cKGunslinger

cKGunslinger

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Originally posted by: KK
Originally posted by: Infohawk
I think there's been interesting discussion lately about how today's politics are a continuation of the civil war. In this view, we've been divided for a very very long time and there are only temporary lulls of powerlessness on one side now and then. I mean has the South EVER been on the same side as a large portion of the country? The Civil war, failed reconstruction, the civil rights movement (these people were advocating oppressing blacks don't forget), now today they are still much more to the right then most Americans. So will we be re-uniting? No, it seems like we'll remain divided until there is such dramatic population shift that the white south is only a very vocal minority. (How did the south affect this election? Well Bush won the south by more votes than he won the popular election, meaning the south was a very large factor in his favor.)
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South is alot bigger than just in the south, huh?
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Shucks, those uneducated, rednecked, Nascar-fans are a-spreadin'! :p

 
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bsobel

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the civil rights movement (these people were advocating oppressing blacks don't forget), now today they are still much more to the right then most Americans. So will we be re-uniting?
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Since you reference 'these people', do we know which party it was oppressing blacks?

The democrats passed literacy requirements, poll taxes, grandfather clauses, Jim Crow Laws, etc which enforced segregation until Brown v The Board of Education, Topeka Kansas started unraveling the whole mess.

Bill
 
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bsobel

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the civil rights movement (these people were advocating oppressing blacks don't forget), now today they are still much more to the right then most Americans. So will we be re-uniting?
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Since you reference 'these people', do we know which party it was oppressing blacks?

The democrats passed literacy requirements, poll taxes, grandfather clauses, Jim Crow Laws, etc which enforced segregation until Brown v The Board of Education, Topeka Kansas started unraveling the whole mess.

Bill
 
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bsobel

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Ugh, double post sorry (response window didn't close, sudden script error, weird...)
 
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Jhhnn

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From bsobel-

The democrats passed literacy requirements, poll taxes, grandfather clauses, Jim Crow Laws, etc which enforced segregation until Brown v The Board of Education, Topeka Kansas started unraveling the whole mess.
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While true, the statement ignores the political currents after the civil rights acts of the 60's and the Republicans' southern strategy of coded racism, along with appeals to religious zealotry and anti-govt sentiments among southerners in general. It worked so well in the South that it's now spilled over into more northern territory, too...

Which is part and parcel of why we probably won't be coming together anytime RSN, not as long as the Republican Party is led by rightwing ideologues... Zealots are incapable of compromise, by definition, and presently have little reason to even contemplate the whole idea...
 
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ciba

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Originally posted by: Jhhnn
From bsobel-Zealots are incapable of compromise, by definition, and presently have little reason to even contemplate the whole idea...
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Why should the republicans be the only ones to compromise? You're right that they have little reason to compromise.
 
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