[OBR] i7 3770K benchmarks

[Johnny Doe]

Those OC'ing death runs are useless. For Real World usage, the 2700K is the strongest gaming chip. Look at here:

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core-i7-3820_6.html#sect0

The 2700K OC's the easiest and the highest. It's the fastest gaming chip. Period.

 

[exar333]

Bah. I don't want to go back to the days of $600-$1000 CPUs being what you needed for high end stuff, so I will respectfully disagree. I have little doubt that Intel could have made a 100W IVB Six core part with reasonable clock speeds. I am guessing those sweet profit margins on LGA2011 made that less of a priority, especially considering where AMD is right now perf/watt.

The vast majority of AMD boards can run all levels of CPUs. It's more an issue of BIOS support for Thuban/BD that is the issue. The high-end X2's used plenty o' power back in the day.

For years now, $200 has brought home a great CPU, whether that was the e6400 when C2D came out, Core 2 Quad for quite some time, the i7-920/i5-750/760 for quite a while, and finally that epic win the 2500k represents.

TDP has been 95-125W on desktop SKUs for quite a while and idle/low load power usage keeps getting more and more modest so I don't see why we can't keep that for the foreseeable future. You can always put a low power CPU in that socket.

Show me where this EVER went away?

Also, if you want, I can link to plenty of AM3+ boards that would not last long with 3+1 phase system utilzing BD or X6 CPUs.

 

[blckgrffn]

Show me where this EVER went away?

Also, if you want, I can link to plenty of AM3+ boards that would not last long with 3+1 phase system utilzing BD or X6 CPUs.

You can show them to me if you'd like, I know where the lists are. Manufacturers crapping out boards? Is that new? I personally have three 3+1 boards with Thubans, we'll see how long they last, they were basically free (or better...) They are running 100% 24/7 so it's not like I am counting on lucking out.

Where what went away? $600 - $1k processors? Didn't I list out a number of processor upgrades where you got tangible performance (not just performance/watt) gains at the same price point? Intel Extreme Editions for quite some time didn't really count as their value was largely considered laughable. The six core extreme editions on LGA1366 were out some time ago, I'd have expected that level of performance to have become mainstream by now. My mistake, evidently. I could build a 2600k cruncher for less than $600 and I do consider that upper-mainstream, hopefully Haswell will bring the core count up as well. BUT...

Didn't IntelUser basically point out that Intel could be abandoning this in order to bring mainstream TDP down instead? That is what I found troubling. As Intel moves from this (and AMD too?) high performance desktops will become more and more niche and we'll have to pay more for them as they become more specialized. That's an exciting future? Not for me.

LGA2011 is a symptom of this trend and I don't like it. The chipset is half baked from a feature perspective and is just a cash cow for Intel that allows them to have halo CPUs that are going to keep AMD in the value market indefinitely.

I think I made my point. If you don't agree, that's fine. I don't need to change your mind to live my life

 

[RavenSEAL]

What, you don't think including results like this in your average performance ratings is useful?

See, that's full on stupidity. No one, I repeat, NO ONE, if going to buy an HD 7970 to play CoD @ 1024-768.

 

[Rvenger]

At least we know Haswell will bridge that missing link right?

 

[exar333]

You can show them to me if you'd like, I know where the lists are. Manufacturers crapping out boards? Is that new? I personally have three 3+1 boards with Thubans, we'll see how long they last, they were basically free (or better...) They are running 100% 24/7 so it's not like I am counting on lucking out.

Where what went away? $600 - $1k processors? Didn't I list out a number of processor upgrades where you got tangible performance (not just performance/watt) gains at the same price point? Intel Extreme Editions for quite some time didn't really count as their value was largely considered laughable. The six core extreme editions on LGA1366 were out some time ago, I'd have expected that level of performance to have become mainstream by now. My mistake, evidently. I could build a 2600k cruncher for less than $600 and I do consider that upper-mainstream, hopefully Haswell will bring the core count up as well. BUT...

Didn't IntelUser basically point out that Intel could be abandoning this in order to bring mainstream TDP down instead? That is what I found troubling. As Intel moves from this (and AMD too?) high performance desktops will become more and more niche and we'll have to pay more for them as they become more specialized. That's an exciting future? Not for me.

LGA2011 is a symptom of this trend and I don't like it. The chipset is half baked from a feature perspective and is just a cash cow for Intel that allows them to have halo CPUs that are going to keep AMD in the value market indefinitely.

I think I made my point. If you don't agree, that's fine. I don't need to change your mind to live my life

You are short-sighted here. 'High end' for consumers is only the tip of the iceberg for CPUs. EE editions really have little to do with this. Intel is essentially re-branding their Xeons (1366 and 2011) and selling them to consumers for MUCH cheaper prices. You may not want to pay that, and thats OK. Fact is, 1155 is NOT high end, and neither are any AM3+ BDs.

 

[Johnny Doe]

Fact is, 1155 is NOT high end, and neither are any AM3+ BDs.

LGA 1155 IS high-end. The 2700k is the best gaming chip, what would that make it? Mid-end? However, neither of the AMD chips are since they get beaten by an i7 870...

 

[blckgrffn]

You are short-sighted here. 'High end' for consumers is only the tip of the iceberg for CPUs. EE editions really have little to do with this. Intel is essentially re-branding their Xeons (1366 and 2011) and selling them to consumers for MUCH cheaper prices. You may not want to pay that, and thats OK. Fact is, 1155 is NOT high end, and neither are any AM3+ BDs.

When I can build multiple mid range systems that pummel "highend" systems for performance/$ for my uses, like I can right now, then it's all fine. If Intel threatens that in the future, I will simply be sad as an era will be passing us buy. That's not being short sighted IMHO, just pragmatic.

How much of this is due to lack of competition from AMD is hard to know.

I am not going to run DC apps on tablets! Sadly, that seems to be where all the innovation is going.

They (Xeons) aren't much cheaper! They Xeons are effectively the same price, but Xeons... At least on 1366. A 3.3Ghz Hexa-Westmere Xeon will set you back all of $600. It's been like that for a while.

I deal with Westmere-EX/Nehalem-EX stuff at work. It is pretty beautiful and clearly not destined for the desktop.

 

[Maximilian]

Thought this was about llano :|

 

[bryanW1995]

If that's true, that looks pretty in-line with what we expected. The clock different makes up approx 3% improvement, with IPC increases covering the remaining ~7%. Thats in the '5-10% IB improvement' that we have been hearing for a while.

More interested in the power consumption, since thats where the focus was on IB.

I've heard 6-8% more recently, that 7% is suspiciously dead-on. And OBR is really pushing fudz hard to steal their spot as the worst "tech" site in history.

 

[rgallant]

-LGA 1155 IS high-end. The 2700k is the best gaming chip
-wouldn't be my pick to run tri 7970's at x4 , x4 ,x 4 - crippling $1800 of cards to save a few bucks on the platform, that's funny.
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[blckgrffn]

-LGA 1155 IS high-end. The 2700k is the best gaming chip
-wouldn't be my pick to run tri 7970's at x4 , x4 ,x 4 - crippling $1800 of cards to save a few bucks on the platform, that's funny.
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Is high end the 1% of folks (generous, I am sure) who have a 7970 or the .01% (again...) who have Tri-Fire 7970?

 

[Johnny Doe]

-LGA 1155 IS high-end. The 2700k is the best gaming chip
-wouldn't be my pick to run tri 7970's at x4 , x4 ,x 4 - crippling $1800 of cards to save a few bucks on the platform, that's funny.
-

Boards with NF200 do triple x8, and the Marshall with the Lucid chip does it as well. And no, "high-end" doesn't instantly refer to 7970 Tri-Fire. Even a single 7970 is high end. But, for example, if you want to Quad-SLi, you need two NF200 chips, which only exist on 4-way X58 boards. So yes, if you want to build such setup, then you need to pick SPECIFIC hardware.

 

[gramboh]

You guys are confusing market segmentations as defined by the vendors (Intel, AMD) with your own personal views (enthusiast, high end etc).

 

[rgallant]

7970's with pci-e 3.0 are out now ,
-only the sb-e has pci-e 3.0 40 lanes.
-sb-e 3820 should be out in 2 weeks. [$285]

-ib with pci-e 3.0 is 2 months down the road .

-so to buy today a pci-e 2.0 platform seems ok for you ? to keep for 2-3 yrs.
-a nf200 does not add pci-e lanes .
-and if you do upgrade to a ib on a z68 how does the pci-e 3.0 bypass the nf200 pci-e 2.0 chip ? sounds like it will not be native and dependent on the mb 's bios update god's.and we know that always works.

-same money to go native hardware support so why not , no added chips , no bios trickery.