OBR\Fudge\CakeRumour - Piledriver last pure CPU SKU from AMD?

[MisterMac]

http://www.obr-hardware.com/2012/08/amd-fx2-piledriver-is-here-last-amd.html

The second news is shocking. I have secret internal AMD document here, and there is something big: AMD FX2-8300/6300 (Piledriver Vishera) desktop processor is the last performance desktop CPU ever!

We'll we know who he loves - so not much surprise.
The question is, if he's right.

A gamble to focus on the need for multipurpose SKU's - maybe trying to enter the HPC market with fixed solutions that averagely offer better perf\watt for normal workloads + GPU workloads?


Even tho he's been right a bit lately - it just doesn't seem logical for them give up pure desktops - the R&D budget for this clearly would also somewhat affect micro-archs for Servers no?

 

[cantholdanymore]

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[Conscript]

the guy has no secret internal document, or he'd publish parts of it. Clearly throwing darts, and hoping he gets lucky so later he can point out how reputable his information is, like 99% of the rumor sites out there. If they're wrong, people forget. And if they get lucky and are right, they promote it constantly.

As it is, it probably is right, as AMD said months ago it was not competing on the enthusiast front, so this is mostly just a timing guess and not really anything groundbreaking.

 

[Rvenger]

*If* this is true. I would be really upset that AMD would just give up completely.


EDIT: NVM, this article spells FAIL all over it. They are just going the intel route and integrating the graphics into the CPU after Piledriver which AMD planned on doing when they swayed away from AM3+.


CPU+GPU with L3 cache and 8 cores, Steamroller.

 

[Smoblikat]

*If* this is true. I would be really upset that AMD would just give up completely.


EDIT: NVM, this article spells FAIL all over it. They are just going the intel route and integrating the graphics into the CPU after Piledriver which AMD planned on doing when they swayed away from AM3+.


CPU+GPU with L3 cache and 8 cores, Steamroller.

That sucks

Why would anyone buy a high end CPU to use the stupid iGPU? Its such a waste of space and power.

 

[mikk]

Oh this is the end :|

 

[nenforcer]

SB-E has no on die GPU and I believe IVB-E will also lack one as well whenever it is relased next year.

I would expect Intel to follow suit and all CPU's, whether Xeon, Core iX or Atom series will have on die GPU's starting in 2014.

AMD would be slightly aheard of the curve of Intel if Steamroller is released in late 2013 with on-die GPU.

This thread is made out to be like AMD is withdrawing from the x86 desktop market, which it clearly isn't. Lots of companies would be happy with the type of revenues AMD generates piggybacking on x86 sales.

 

[ShintaiDK]

FM2(and up) will be the only desktop platform as far as I know from AMD after the last AM3+ CPU. AMDs roadmaps and annoucements do talk for it.

I dont see the issue tho. Love my 3570K with iGPU!

 

[Gigantopithecus]

That sucks

Why would anyone buy a high end CPU to use the stupid iGPU? Its such a waste of space and power.

 

[jpiniero]

There have been rumors of the sort for awhile now. Abandoning the "high end" desktop market makes a lot of sense for AMD. Spend the resources they have elsewhere, instead of chasing a shrinking market they aren't really competitive in.

 

[sefsefsefsef]

I would expect Intel to follow suit and all CPU's, whether Xeon, Core iX or Atom series will have on die GPU's starting in 2014.

It doesn't make sense for server Xeons to ever have iGPUs. Why would I want 4 iGPUs in a 4-socket system?

 

[dma0991]

I'm given a choice. On my left hand, a pledge to trust what OBR writes/says and on my right hand, a glock.

Spoiler

Farewell guys, BAM!!.

 

[inf64]

That sucks

Why would anyone buy a high end CPU to use the stupid iGPU? Its such a waste of space and power.

Uh, SB and IB? Same thing.And Shintai already posted before I did .

There is a slight chance the socket for desktop will be unified for both "FX" 8 core parts and the lower (A10/A6/A4-like we have today) models.

 

[Smoblikat]

FM2(and up) will be the only desktop platform as far as I know from AMD after the last AM3+ CPU. AMDs roadmaps and annoucements do talk for it.

I dont see the issue tho. Love my 3570K with iGPU!

If you have a 680, why do you need an iGPU?

 

[BD231]

I vote we petition anandtecher's to stop making AMD threads for two years, at least by then we'll have some information worth talking about. AMD cannot compete with Intel and obviously the shrinking manpower will do nothing but deepen their inability to release a worthwhile CPU. Their APU's are viable in notebooks but they shouldn't have released APU's in the desktop market.

I don't see how making a low end CPU more expensive to manufacture is going to help AMD, especially considering their desktop APU's perform like sh t compared to cheaper CPU+Dedicated graphics units. For now AMD is bound to entry level computing needs, fortunately for them there's a lot of money to be made in that market. Lets just hope they can put out a worthwhile line up of tech to keep afloat.

 

[ShintaiDK]

If you have a 680, why do you need an iGPU?

Plenty of reasons. Backup if my discrete card should fail. Quicksync if I want fast encoding. Retirement to HTPC duty later on.

The question is rather, why shouldnt I have an iGPU? And dont start with some nonsense about I could have had 2 more cores, because I couldnt.

 

[Fayd]

If you have a 680, why do you need an iGPU?

if you're browsing the web, why do you need a dGPU?

i hope for a day when all dedicated GPU's support shutting off in favor of the iGPU when workloads are small.

 

[ViRGE]

It doesn't make sense for server Xeons to ever have iGPUs. Why would I want 4 iGPUs in a 4-socket system?

Because it doesn't really make a difference whether they're there or not? If Intel (or AMD for that matter) can get away with fabbing one chip for both markets, then there's no reason not to.

 

[Tuna-Fish]

Why would anyone buy a high end CPU to use the stupid iGPU? Its such a waste of space and power.

... Aaand here we go again. Didn't we have this discussion last time?

At the kind of production volumes AMD works at, designing and validating the designs for chips is a huge proportion of the entire chip lifecycle cost. If you can successfully reduce the amount of different chip designs you ship, it can lead to reduced cost per chip even if manufacturing each individual chip ends up costing more.

Don't think of it as paying for dark silicon, think of it as having all the people who do use the iGPU (and that would be the majority) subsidize the design effort for your chip.

Also, since AMD and Intel got good at power gating, transistors on chip that are not used cost no power at all.

 

[Gigantopithecus]

Their APU's are viable in notebooks but they shouldn't have released APU's in the desktop market.

You can get an A8-3870K for $105. Please let me know an Intel + discrete graphics card combo that sums to $105 that matches or beats the A8's CPU and GPU performance.

 

[Olikan]

i do have an internal secret document from nasa...and it says the man never whent to the moon

 

[Arachnotronic]

Intel's basically doing this already with their mainstream parts. SNB-E is just a re-badge of workstation/server parts. AMD could do the same, but it's probably not worth it.

 

[ctsoth]

You can get an A8-3870K for $105. Please let me know an Intel + discrete graphics card combo that sums to $105 that matches or beats the A8's CPU and GPU performance.

+1

I love my 3870k. If I needed something more powerful, I would have purchased something more powerful.

 

[StrangerGuy]

Meh if I wanted HDTV/office box a ~$80 G540/H61 will do, for gaming ~$300 on a 2500K/Z68 would the mininum. Anything in the the middle makes little sense at all.

 

[ctsoth]

Meh if I wanted HDTV/office box a ~$80 G540/H61 will do, for gaming ~$300 on a 2500K/Z68 would the mininum. Anything in the the middle makes little sense at all.

@_@

Spending little money makes sense. Spending a lot of money makes sense. Spending a moderate amount of money makes no sense.