Obesity related medical problems approaches costs of iilegals

[maluckey]

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I always thought that people of poor health cost the government millions, but I had no clue of how much......This is almost what the government pays for illegal/indigent healthcare! I feel for those with medical problems (thyroid disorders etc) causing their obesity, but the overwhelming majority just eat too much, and don't excercise.

Maybe Kalifornia, and their wierd ways, would pass a constitutional amendment forcing slim people to support the fat ones.

After all, Kalifornia was the state that ruled a homeowner libel for damages to a burglar that slipped and fell in a house that he was robbing. Same thing in this case, just robbing the healty people while they get fat.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: maluckey
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I always thought that people of poor health cost the government millions, but I had no clue of how much......This is almost what the government pays for illegal/indigent healthcare! I feel for those with medical problems (thyroid disorders etc) causing their obesity, but the overwhelming majority just eat too much, and don't excercise.

Maybe Kalifornia, and their wierd ways, would pass a constitutional amendment forcing slim people to support the fat ones.

After all, Kalifornia was the state that ruled a homeowner libel for damages to a burglar that slipped and fell in a house that he was robbing. Same thing in this case, just robbing the healty people while they get fat.

Thanks for the incoherent rant

 

[ElFenix]

i sure hope fat people get charged more for insurance just like smokers

 

[Romans828]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
i sure hope fat people get charged more for insurance just like smokers

Hope your joking.....

Lets single out and target groups that have statistcally proven to be higher risk........ Great idea

Yeah like those from families with incidents of cancers and heart desease......

Yeah and blacks, hispanics, gays etc..........

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Romans828

Originally posted by: ElFenix
i sure hope fat people get charged more for insurance just like smokers

Hope your joking.....

Lets single out and target groups that have statistcally proven to be higher risk........ Great idea

Yeah like those from families with incidents of cancers and heart desease......

Yeah and blacks, hispanics, gays etc..........

Those that chose unhealthly lifestyles. 😉

They already charge more for people who choose to smoke - so why not charge more for those that make other unhealthy lifestyle choices?

CkG

 

[Spencer278]

Originally posted by: Romans828

Originally posted by: ElFenix
i sure hope fat people get charged more for insurance just like smokers

Hope your joking.....

Lets single out and target groups that have statistcally proven to be higher risk........ Great idea

Yeah like those from families with incidents of cancers and heart desease......

Yeah and blacks, hispanics, gays etc..........

Why not have the insurance rates reflect the health of the people that are being insured? Car insurance companys charge more for males then females; why can't a health insurance company do similar?

 

[colonel]

I think people with extra fat should be paying double insurance, if they dont learn with the simple easy way of information, touch their wallet, I dont see any way to change.

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: colonel
I think people with extra fat should be paying double insurance, if they dont learn with the simple easy way of information, touch their wallet, I dont see any way to change.

Yep... either that, or a national fat tax... lol 🙂

 

[Romans828]

Originally posted by: Spencer278

Originally posted by: Romans828

Originally posted by: ElFenix
i sure hope fat people get charged more for insurance just like smokers

Hope your joking.....

Lets single out and target groups that have statistcally proven to be higher risk........ Great idea

Yeah like those from families with incidents of cancers and heart desease......

Yeah and blacks, hispanics, gays etc..........

Why not have the insurance rates reflect the health of the people that are being insured? Car insurance companys charge more for males then females; why can't a health insurance company do similar?

Do you truely want that? Dont forget that with advanced testing/gene mapping the insurance companys can predict predisposition to all sorts of problems, You YOURSELF could find no insurance or rates you can not afford based on genetic markers........

Not good, not good at all

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Romans828

Originally posted by: Spencer278

Originally posted by: Romans828

Originally posted by: ElFenix
i sure hope fat people get charged more for insurance just like smokers

Hope your joking.....

Lets single out and target groups that have statistcally proven to be higher risk........ Great idea

Yeah like those from families with incidents of cancers and heart desease......

Yeah and blacks, hispanics, gays etc..........

Why not have the insurance rates reflect the health of the people that are being insured? Car insurance companys charge more for males then females; why can't a health insurance company do similar?

Do you truely want that? Dont forget that with advanced testing/gene mapping the insurance companys can predict predisposition to all sorts of problems, You YOURSELF could find no insurance or rates you can not afford based on genetic markers........

Not good, not good at all

Then why do smokers currently pay more? Hasn't your slope already been greased? (he says as he puffs on a Macanudo😉 )

CkG

 

[Spencer278]

Originally posted by: Romans828

Originally posted by: Spencer278

Originally posted by: Romans828

Originally posted by: ElFenix
i sure hope fat people get charged more for insurance just like smokers

Hope your joking.....

Lets single out and target groups that have statistcally proven to be higher risk........ Great idea

Yeah like those from families with incidents of cancers and heart desease......

Yeah and blacks, hispanics, gays etc..........

Why not have the insurance rates reflect the health of the people that are being insured? Car insurance companys charge more for males then females; why can't a health insurance company do similar?

Do you truely want that? Dont forget that with advanced testing/gene mapping the insurance companys can predict predisposition to all sorts of problems, You YOURSELF could find no insurance or rates you can not afford based on genetic markers........

Not good, not good at all

Or might get cheaper rates I'm willing to roll the dice.

 

[Romans828]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Romans828

Originally posted by: Spencer278

Originally posted by: Romans828

Originally posted by: ElFenix
i sure hope fat people get charged more for insurance just like smokers

Hope your joking.....

Lets single out and target groups that have statistcally proven to be higher risk........ Great idea

Yeah like those from families with incidents of cancers and heart desease......

Yeah and blacks, hispanics, gays etc..........

Why not have the insurance rates reflect the health of the people that are being insured? Car insurance companys charge more for males then females; why can't a health insurance company do similar?

Do you truely want that? Dont forget that with advanced testing/gene mapping the insurance companys can predict predisposition to all sorts of problems, You YOURSELF could find no insurance or rates you can not afford based on genetic markers........

Not good, not good at all

Then why do smokers currently pay more? Hasn't your slope already been greased? (he says as he puffs on a Macanudo😉 )

CkG

Excellent point and yes unfourtunately the slope has been greased.........

I no longer smoke (quit 8 years ago) but I think people should be able to freely. Targeting them was very sad and has now opened pandoras box on insurance. Its a dangerous practice to allow "insurance" or fair worse the government to
decide who is "at risk". First its smoking, then its obesity, then maybe sunbathing, then motorcycle riding, then ......

Its an attack on individual freedom by going around the end attacking peoples pocket book. They make it attractive by saying people who want to play got to pay, but thats a suckers game. They intentionally pit person against person that way. Big brother getting way to big.


Problem is IT WONT STOP THERE alot of us will eventually find ourself on the wrong side looking in if the insurance company's have their way.

 

[Spencer278]

Originally posted by: Romans828

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Romans828

Originally posted by: Spencer278

Originally posted by: Romans828

Originally posted by: ElFenix
i sure hope fat people get charged more for insurance just like smokers

Hope your joking.....

Lets single out and target groups that have statistcally proven to be higher risk........ Great idea

Yeah like those from families with incidents of cancers and heart desease......

Yeah and blacks, hispanics, gays etc..........

Why not have the insurance rates reflect the health of the people that are being insured? Car insurance companys charge more for males then females; why can't a health insurance company do similar?

Do you truely want that? Dont forget that with advanced testing/gene mapping the insurance companys can predict predisposition to all sorts of problems, You YOURSELF could find no insurance or rates you can not afford based on genetic markers........

Not good, not good at all

Then why do smokers currently pay more? Hasn't your slope already been greased? (he says as he puffs on a Macanudo😉 )

CkG

Excellent point and yes unfourtunately the slope has been greased.........

I no longer smoke (quit 8 years ago) but I think people should be able to freely. Targeting them was very sad and has now opened pandoras box on insurance. Its a dangerous practice to allow "insurance" or fair worse the government to
decide who is "at risk". First its smoking, then its obesity, then maybe sunbathing, then motorcycle riding, then ......

Its an attack on individual freedom by going around the end attacking peoples pocket book. They make it attractive by saying people who want to play got to pay, but thats a suckers game. They intentionally pit person against person that way. Big brother getting way to big.


Problem is IT WONT STOP THERE alot of us will eventually find ourself on the wrong side looking in if the insurance company's have their way.

So then don't buy insurance.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Romans828

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Romans828

Originally posted by: Spencer278

Originally posted by: Romans828

Originally posted by: ElFenix
i sure hope fat people get charged more for insurance just like smokers

Hope your joking.....

Lets single out and target groups that have statistcally proven to be higher risk........ Great idea

Yeah like those from families with incidents of cancers and heart desease......

Yeah and blacks, hispanics, gays etc..........

Why not have the insurance rates reflect the health of the people that are being insured? Car insurance companys charge more for males then females; why can't a health insurance company do similar?

Do you truely want that? Dont forget that with advanced testing/gene mapping the insurance companys can predict predisposition to all sorts of problems, You YOURSELF could find no insurance or rates you can not afford based on genetic markers........

Not good, not good at all

Then why do smokers currently pay more? Hasn't your slope already been greased? (he says as he puffs on a Macanudo😉 )

CkG

Excellent point and yes unfourtunately the slope has been greased.........

I no longer smoke (quit 8 years ago) but I think people should be able to freely. Targeting them was very sad and has now opened pandoras box on insurance. Its a dangerous practice to allow "insurance" or fair worse the government to
decide who is "at risk". First its smoking, then its obesity, then maybe sunbathing, then motorcycle riding, then ......

Its an attack on individual freedom by going around the end attacking peoples pocket book. They make it attractive by saying people who want to play got to pay, but thats a suckers game. They intentionally pit person against person that way. Big brother getting way to big.


Problem is IT WONT STOP THERE alot of us will eventually find ourself on the wrong side looking in if the insurance company's have their way.

It shouldn't stop there. We are talking about INSURANCE here. If you have poor driving habits then you pay a higher cost for insurance - no? If you drive "unsafer"( 😛 ) vehicles you pay more - no? Why shouldn't INSURANCE be able to have that risk calculation factored in?

Ofcourse my stance is that we move away from "insurance" for health and go back towards a pay as you go type system - so you have to take my argument in those terms. Unfortunately it looks like the system would have to totally collapse before that would happen. Unfortunately people seem to think Insurance is a "right" now days. BUT - then again I don't want to risk the gov't taking it over when/if it collapses😉 Lots of issues to think about in this health INSURANCE debate.

CkG

 

[Romans828]

Originally posted by: Spencer278

Originally posted by: Romans828

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Romans828

Originally posted by: Spencer278

Originally posted by: Romans828

Originally posted by: ElFenix
i sure hope fat people get charged more for insurance just like smokers

Hope your joking.....

Lets single out and target groups that have statistcally proven to be higher risk........ Great idea

Yeah like those from families with incidents of cancers and heart desease......

Yeah and blacks, hispanics, gays etc..........

Why not have the insurance rates reflect the health of the people that are being insured? Car insurance companys charge more for males then females; why can't a health insurance company do similar?

Do you truely want that? Dont forget that with advanced testing/gene mapping the insurance companys can predict predisposition to all sorts of problems, You YOURSELF could find no insurance or rates you can not afford based on genetic markers........

Not good, not good at all

Then why do smokers currently pay more? Hasn't your slope already been greased? (he says as he puffs on a Macanudo😉 )

CkG

Excellent point and yes unfourtunately the slope has been greased.........

I no longer smoke (quit 8 years ago) but I think people should be able to freely. Targeting them was very sad and has now opened pandoras box on insurance. Its a dangerous practice to allow "insurance" or fair worse the government to
decide who is "at risk". First its smoking, then its obesity, then maybe sunbathing, then motorcycle riding, then ......

Its an attack on individual freedom by going around the end attacking peoples pocket book. They make it attractive by saying people who want to play got to pay, but thats a suckers game. They intentionally pit person against person that way. Big brother getting way to big.


Problem is IT WONT STOP THERE alot of us will eventually find ourself on the wrong side looking in if the insurance company's have their way.

So then don't buy insurance.

Ok thats fair.............. LOL

 

[Spencer278]

I think it would help the insurance industry if they were a little better at predicting who is going to cost alot of money and how isn't. With no prediction it makes insurance overly expansive for health people making them more likely to drop out of the system. Of courses if the insurance compaines get to good at predicting cost then everyone will drop out because you would basicly be prepaying for medical costs.

 

[Romans828]

Originally posted by: Spencer278
I think it would help the insurance industry if they were a little better at predicting who is going to cost alot of money and how isn't. With no prediction it makes insurance overly expansive for health people making them more likely to drop out of the system. Of courses if the insurance compaines get to good at predicting cost then everyone will drop out because you would basicly be prepaying for medical costs.

No sh*t it would definately "help the insurance company"............

Heres to hoping YOU or your loved ones "screen clean"

 

[heartsurgeon]

When i was the age of most of the current posters here on P&N, the liberals were ranting all the time about how the "poor were going hungry"
now, everyone is up in arms about how prevalent obesity is in society...

maybe being hunger wasn't so bad after all..actually, medical studies have shown that mild chronic malnurishment is actually healthy for you..you live longer.

go figure.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Romans828

Originally posted by: Spencer278
I think it would help the insurance industry if they were a little better at predicting who is going to cost alot of money and how isn't. With no prediction it makes insurance overly expansive for health people making them more likely to drop out of the system. Of courses if the insurance compaines get to good at predicting cost then everyone will drop out because you would basicly be prepaying for medical costs.

No sh*t it would definately "help the insurance company"............

Heres to hoping YOU or your loved ones "screen clean"

How's your driving record R828? 😉

CkG

 

[Romans828]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Romans828

Originally posted by: Spencer278
I think it would help the insurance industry if they were a little better at predicting who is going to cost alot of money and how isn't. With no prediction it makes insurance overly expansive for health people making them more likely to drop out of the system. Of courses if the insurance compaines get to good at predicting cost then everyone will drop out because you would basicly be prepaying for medical costs.

No sh*t it would definately "help the insurance company"............

Heres to hoping YOU or your loved ones "screen clean"

How's your driving record R828? 😉

CkG

How's your driving record R828?

Just fine,

But I still can't afford a sports car.

You know comparing auto insurance to health insurance is really apples and oranges though

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Romans828

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Romans828

Originally posted by: Spencer278
I think it would help the insurance industry if they were a little better at predicting who is going to cost alot of money and how isn't. With no prediction it makes insurance overly expansive for health people making them more likely to drop out of the system. Of courses if the insurance compaines get to good at predicting cost then everyone will drop out because you would basicly be prepaying for medical costs.

No sh*t it would definately "help the insurance company"............

Heres to hoping YOU or your loved ones "screen clean"

How's your driving record R828? 😉

CkG

Just fine,

But I still can't afford a sports car.

You know comparing auto insurance to health insurance is really apples and oranges though

It is insurance calculated on risk factors and previous record. Basically hedging your bet against not getting sick or getting in an accident.

CkG

 

[NuclearFusi0n]

Originally posted by: maluckey
Link

I always thought that people of poor health cost the government millions, but I had no clue of how much......This is almost what the government pays for illegal/indigent healthcare! I feel for those with medical problems (thyroid disorders etc) causing their obesity, but the overwhelming majority just eat too much, and don't excercise.

Maybe Kalifornia, and their wierd ways, would pass a constitutional amendment forcing slim people to support the fat ones.

After all, Kalifornia was the state that ruled a homeowner libel for damages to a burglar that slipped and fell in a house that he was robbing. Same thing in this case, just robbing the healty people while they get fat.

What does "Kalifornia" have to do with your krap?

 

[maluckey]

Gee whiz!!!

I post this this morning and expected nothing other than a single snide remark. I never expected for people to catch on to the fact that the insurance companies already charge more for unhealthy lifestyles. I also never expected that people would want to charge more for someone who has a deliberately unhealthy lifestyle. This goes to show how many on this forum totally are on opposite sides on so many things, but on others, almost agree.

The insurance companies already charge differently by age, sex, whether you smoke or not, your proffession, and even to a limited extent, your race and family history. Why wouldn't they take into account that you choose to be obese? Is this a logical step for insurance companies, and their responsibility to investors, partners and shareholders, or discrimination? I feel to a limited extent that it would be a responsible decision to charge more. Good to hear that some on this forum still think on their own.

 

[Zephyr106]

Originally posted by: Romans828

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Romans828

Originally posted by: Spencer278
I think it would help the insurance industry if they were a little better at predicting who is going to cost alot of money and how isn't. With no prediction it makes insurance overly expansive for health people making them more likely to drop out of the system. Of courses if the insurance compaines get to good at predicting cost then everyone will drop out because you would basicly be prepaying for medical costs.

No sh*t it would definately "help the insurance company"............

Heres to hoping YOU or your loved ones "screen clean"

How's your driving record R828? 😉

CkG

How's your driving record R828?

Just fine,

But I still can't afford a sports car.

You know comparing auto insurance to health insurance is really apples and oranges though

Not apples and oranges at all. Maybe people who are poor drivers were born that way, with slower reflexes and poorer motor coordination. If the genetic losers are screened for autos, why not for health insurance?

Zephyr

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Originally posted by: Romans828

Originally posted by: ElFenix
i sure hope fat people get charged more for insurance just like smokers

Hope your joking.....

Lets single out and target groups that have statistcally proven to be higher risk........ Great idea

Yeah like those from families with incidents of cancers and heart desease......

Yeah and blacks, hispanics, gays etc..........

Yes, let's again compare something you can't do anything about (race/sexuality/genetic afflictions) with a choice (eating too much)