Obama's Usama bounce over

[werepossum]

Seems that Obama's bounce for killing Usama has pretty much evaporated. He's back at 46% approve, 44% disapprove, and headed down.
http://www.gallup.com/Home.aspx
http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx
I have mixed feelings. On the one hand, I don't like Obama. On the other, I think Obama did a good job concentrating on Usama, made the hard decisions, took a chance, and deserves a large share of the credit. I have to wonder if his "I love me some me" speech hurt him, or if perhaps Gallup's little cheerleader stunt (over-representing Democrats by selecting large liberal cities to exaggerate the bump) actually backfired. Sure seems like he should have gotten a larger bump with longer legs.

On the Sunday talk shows (from what I've heard on Talk Radio, I worked yesterday) the pundits on the left and on the right are blaming it on people really not liking the economy and saying that if the economy does not improve, he is toast in 2012. That's probably accurate, but it still seems like getting bin Laden should be a bigger deal.

 

[spacejamz]

It is pretty mindblowing how he totally screwed the pooch on the PR job following the greatest thing he has done since has been in office...

 

[spidey07]

It's the economy stupid. And all indicators are it isn't going to get better anytime soon thanks largely to this president's anti-capitlism, we must punish success, attitude.

 

[PokerGuy]

It's all about the economy. Getting OBL was great, but it doesn't do much for me if I don't have a job right?

That, and he blew much of the the credit he should get for getting OBL by doing his little "praise me, I, me, great, me, wonderful I, me, I loves me some me!" stunt.

 

[fskimospy]

It's always been about the economy. I don't know of anyone who thought his bounce would last, but as mentioned before it's hard to tell at this point. If he only gets even a 1% permanent bump from this, it's a big advantage.

As for the 'I love me some me' idea, that's a debunked extreme right wing myth. Language analysts checked the number of personal references in his speech as compared to ones by GWB, Clinton, etc. and he actually comes in below any of them.

 

[zinfamous]

It's the economy stupid. And all indicators are it isn't going to get better anytime soon thanks largely to this president's anti-capitlism, we must punish success, attitude.

lulz

you obviously don't work for a major bank.

 

[zinfamous]

It's all about the economy. Getting OBL was great, but it doesn't do much for me if I don't have a job right?

That, and he blew much of the the credit he should get for getting OBL by doing his little "praise me, I, me, great, me, wonderful I, me, I loves me some me!" stunt.

when the fuck did he do that?

:hmm:

 

[jhbball]

when the fuck did he do that?

:hmm:

Yeah, he didn't actually do that.

 

[boomerang]

If anyone wants to know why he's getting the derision he's getting, just watch the moat's and alligator's speech as just one example. There's nothing that gets the electorate on your side more effectively than talking to them in an arrogant, condescending manner.

He stills talks like he's a community organizer.

 

[Craig234]

Something I don't like about some of our electorate is how it rewards and punishes wrongly.

I don't like that Obama got some big bounce for killing Osama - this encourages the politicization of the military; it's the same for Bush getting big bounces for 9/11 and starting the war in Iraq (if you haven't seen the graph, his ratings fell mostly except a couple big bumps like that). Meantime, Obama didn't get a big bump for something he deserved it for, like the auto industry policy that so helped the economy.

Take a look at this graph, and ask what it tells Presidents to do for ratings:

http://www.hist.umn.edu/~ruggles/Approval.htm

It teaches that pursuing real peace doesn't pay off nearly as well as pursuing 'military wins and kills' - even starting the unpopular war in Iraq, people 'unite'.

This wasn't really 'stage managed' for ratings - but he could get even more of a 'bump' if it were.

And while he may not have done so, other presidents will - remember the carrier landing.

People rightly said this gave him some 'political capital' he could spend on an issue like the debt ceiling - how wrong is that for those to be related?

 

[wuliheron]

People rightly said this gave him some 'political capital' he could spend on an issue like the debt ceiling - how wrong is that for those to be related?

As they say in Hollywood, "Thats entertainment!" Since the days of the Roman empire the crowd has always demanded their bread and circuses with a healthy dose of violence. Either you produce them or scare the fuck out of people or you get lynched. You can complain about it being immoral all you want, but nobody except politicians has ever claimed Americans are moral.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Dang, that was quick.

 

[First]

If anyone wants to know why he's getting the derision he's getting, just watch the moat's and alligator's speech as just one example. There's nothing that gets the electorate on your side more effectively than talking to them in an arrogant, condescending manner.

He stills talks like he's a community organizer.

Didn't stop him from election in 2008 nor will stop him in 2012. Plus Americans should be talked down to every now and then. It's healthy in moderation.

 

[fskimospy]

If anyone wants to know why he's getting the derision he's getting, just watch the moat's and alligator's speech as just one example. There's nothing that gets the electorate on your side more effectively than talking to them in an arrogant, condescending manner.

He stills talks like he's a community organizer.

Man, you guys going to be really mad when he wins again next year.

 

[zinfamous]

If anyone wants to know why he's getting the derision he's getting, just watch the moat's and alligator's speech as just one example. There's nothing that gets the electorate on your side more effectively than talking to them in an arrogant, condescending manner.

He stills talks like he's a community organizer.

far better than coddling the brain-dead inbreds that make up Palin's constituency.

Sorry, but there is absolutely no other way to handle a birther/truther type of person. Their opinions simply deserve no attention.

 

[First]

far better than coddling the brain-dead inbreds that make up Palin's constituency.

Sorry, but there is absolutely no other way to handle a birther/truther type of person. Their opinions simply deserve no respect.

Fixed!

 

[Lemon law]

Obama problem is if does what the GOP wants regarding the economy, unemployment will go from 10% to 25%.

Read your US history, Hoover tried the current GOP plan, and 25% unemployment is what he got. We did not dig ourselves into the hole we are in now after Obama was elected, it was an 8 or so period under GWB where we acted most stupidly. But its really the longer term past that did even greater damage, the expensive Vietnam war, our balance of trade surplus went South in 1980, and keeps going South an an accelerating rate. The debt we took on especially during Reagan and GWB means we would have a budget surplus except for the cost of servicing the debt.


But like everyone, the American people want instant gratification. The GOP has no real plan for economic recovery and they know it, and if GOP gets in control of all three branches of government in 2012, we can expect 30% unemployment.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Seems that Obama's bounce for killing Usama has pretty much evaporated. He's back at 46% approve, 44% disapprove, and headed down.
http://www.gallup.com/Home.aspx
http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx
I have mixed feelings. On the one hand, I don't like Obama. On the other, I think Obama did a good job concentrating on Usama, made the hard decisions, took a chance, and deserves a large share of the credit. I have to wonder if his "I love me some me" speech hurt him, or if perhaps Gallup's little cheerleader stunt (over-representing Democrats by selecting large liberal cities to exaggerate the bump) actually backfired. Sure seems like he should have gotten a larger bump with longer legs.

On the Sunday talk shows (from what I've heard on Talk Radio, I worked yesterday) the pundits on the left and on the right are blaming it on people really not liking the economy and saying that if the economy does not improve, he is toast in 2012. That's probably accurate, but it still seems like getting bin Laden should be a bigger deal.

Nothing backfired on him. He did something right. It was a hot-button issue for pretty much everyone and they gave him a quick thumbs up. Then he f'ed up the release of what happened, spawned another cause for the Conspiracy Theory Nut Crowd and after that everyone went back to pointing out all the other crap he's not doing right. Anyone who thought this was going to save his presidency is delusional. Osama will not factor into the elections. Not saying it's a given that he'll lose but it won't be a factor in him winning.

 

[p0nd]

But like everyone, the American people want instant gratification. The GOP has no real plan for economic recovery and they know it, and if GOP gets in control of all three branches of government in 2012, we can expect 30% unemployment.

The GOP plan is the way it is because they want Obama out in 2012. It's been their strategy all along (party of "No," filibusters, gov't shutdown) - to make the situation worse, to make it appear as though Obama + democrats isn't doing anything about it. American voters are swingy, will vote for the opposite party if times are bad and the GOP knows this. They only care about the deficit and unemployment so far as it gets them votes.

 

[zinfamous]

Fixed!

agreed, but you have to give them attention before you can respect them.

They should simply be ignored in all cases.

 

[spidey07]

The GOP plan is the way it is because they want Obama out in 2012. It's been their strategy all along (party of "No," filibusters, gov't shutdown) - to make the situation worse, to make it appear as though Obama + democrats isn't doing anything about it. American voters are swingy, will vote for the opposite party if times are bad and the GOP knows this. They only care about the deficit and unemployment so far as it gets them votes.

Democrats had massive control of the legislative branch for two years and for a good part of it a filibuster proof majority in the senate. They could have passed any legislation they wanted, and did so, going directly against the will of The People. Republicans were powerless to stop it.

Revisionist history much?

 

[p0nd]

Democrats had massive control of the legislative branch for two years and for a good part of it a filibuster proof majority in the senate. They could have passed any legislation they wanted, and did so, going directly against the will of The People. Republicans were powerless to stop it.

Revisionist history much?

What is the republican strategy for 2012 if it's not what I described? I'm not talking about the democrats from 2008 to 2010, because that isn't relevant to current republican political strategy as midterm elections changed the structure.

Enlighten me: what is the "will of the people"? What do they (we?) want? I see such term being used most often by talking heads; it is a buzzword. How can a country as geographically and culturally diverse as the U.S. have a unified consensus will of the people?

 

[Lemon law]

Democrats had massive control of the legislative branch for two years and for a good part of it a filibuster proof majority in the senate. They could have passed any legislation they wanted, and did so, going directly against the will of The People. Republicans were powerless to stop it.

Revisionist history much?

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Bullshit Spidey07, the Dems never had a filibuster proof Senate, and unlike the GOP, the dems don't vote as one single block. As many blue dog dems thought they could gain re-election by sometimes siding with the GOP, it did not work, they lost anyway.

 

[fskimospy]

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Bullshit Spidey07, the Dems never had a filibuster proof Senate, and unlike the GOP, the dems don't vote as one single block. As many blue dog dems thought they could gain re-election by sometimes siding with the GOP, it did not work, they lost anyway.

I love how people seem to think that the US votes like a parliamentary democracy does, where everyone in the same party votes the same way as if Nancy Pelosi and Bart Stupak had the same goals in mind.

 

[werepossum]

Nothing backfired on him. He did something right. It was a hot-button issue for pretty much everyone and they gave him a quick thumbs up. Then he f'ed up the release of what happened, spawned another cause for the Conspiracy Theory Nut Crowd and after that everyone went back to pointing out all the other crap he's not doing right. Anyone who thought this was going to save his presidency is delusional. Osama will not factor into the elections. Not saying it's a given that he'll lose but it won't be a factor in him winning.

Just seems like actually killing Bin Laden is a trifle* more important than what he was holding or behind whom he was hiding at the time.

*A big trifle. Think a trifle the size of Rush Limbaugh's mouth and Rosie O'Donnell's stupidity combined. (Full disclosure, I do like Rush. But he DOES have a big mouth.)